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Sine the dawn of humanity people worked in work places, they would dream to be top manager in a company like Ford or IBM in the 50s. Suddenly working in the office is inhumane.

It understandable for some people who's work does not require them to be in the office like someone calculating accounting books or someone doing data entry but director of machine learning working at home? come on. I am just the amount they pay this guy should be enough of a reason for him to dress up and go to work.

I work in the public sector and my employer has been bleeding IT and software developers since they mandated a return to the office in late 2020. Once someone realizes that it is ridiculous to get into slacks and sit in a cube city to RDP into a server, console into a SAN or vSphere, or access a git repository...you're never going to make them see mandatory in-office any other way than a wage cage. Tech also happens to pretty much perpetually be in demand so some other entity that offers full-remote or office optional is going to poach your talent...and nobody gives a damn that your whole university model value-add hinges on maintaining the appearances that in-person operations are happening.

People will come back with their tails between their legs once they no longer have food in the fridge and no one is going to pay them $100k.year jobs working from home.
 
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And how's that working out?
I guess I’d say it’s working out about as well as it was before work from home? Kind of odd to pull a random segment of a stock ticker to make a point about work from home, but let me play along…. Are you saying that it’s not working out because everyone thought work from home was going to be the future and then realized it wasn’t? Are you saying it’s not working out because the company was incredibly productive clearing their work backlog and then ran out of creative juice? Those would fit the stock price for sure…

Mostly though, I think you’re missing my point which was that companies that provide key services for working home still feel that an office is valuable. I’m mostly confounded what the stock price has to do with any of it…

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Like all government created problems, the free market will fix this. Give it time. Inflation and recession are happening. Coding is a gig for the young and hungry and the older these "I need to be with my family" types get, the sooner they will be replaced by younger, hungrier, bolder, harder working people. That is life.

Products will suffer. Creativity that DEMANDS in person interaction will suffer, and NEWER products and ideas will prevail.

Meanwhile since that will take 2-5 years for it to fully manifest and a 1/4 generation for new workers to replace them, all these companies that put it off will continue to get further and further behind.

Steve Jobs would have fired them ALL already. Apple is now just another WOKE-WHINER Tech Giant too big to change or innovate.
 
I'm so sick of people thinking that they have a right to work from home these days. All they're doing is killing productivity and efficiency of American businesses. In my line of work I rely on manufacturer's inside sales engineers and sales support staff so I can provide accurate quotes and accurate answers to potential customers. Since Covid, it takes an insanely long time to even get in touch with anybody now and when they finally do call back, days or even weeks later, they're at home with screaming babies or barking dogs in the background and they're completely unfocused or impossible to hear. It's ridiculous, your employer pays you a salary to do a job, they expect 40 hours per week out of you at 100%.

I've also seen people on Insta or FB posting pics of themselves out at the beach or running errands during work hours. These people who are so vehemently opposed to working from the office are simply lazy and want to goof off at home all day rather than get up and go to the office.

I strongly feel if you're given the privilege of working from home, your employer should put monitoring software on your laptop (nothing to view the webcam or keystroke loggers - but software to monitor the task manager to ensure you're actively working, being productive) and you should have to connect to the office via VPN so that they can ensure you're working from 8a - 5p as required and as you would be if you were in the office.

This post has to be satire. I've seen quite a few posts of people licking corporate boots, but this? You're not just licking the boots; you're eating them!
 
I'm so sick of people thinking that they have a right to work from home these days. All they're doing is killing productivity and efficiency of American businesses. In my line of work I rely on manufacturer's inside sales engineers and sales support staff so I can provide accurate quotes and accurate answers to potential customers. Since Covid, it takes an insanely long time to even get in touch with anybody now and when they finally do call back, days or even weeks later, they're at home with screaming babies or barking dogs in the background and they're completely unfocused or impossible to hear. It's ridiculous, your employer pays you a salary to do a job, they expect 40 hours per week out of you at 100%.

I've also seen people on Insta or FB posting pics of themselves out at the beach or running errands during work hours. These people who are so vehemently opposed to working from the office are simply lazy and want to goof off at home all day rather than get up and go to the office.

I strongly feel if you're given the privilege of working from home, your employer should put monitoring software on your laptop (nothing to view the webcam or keystroke loggers - but software to monitor the task manager to ensure you're actively working, being productive) and you should have to connect to the office via VPN so that they can ensure you're working from 8a - 5p as required and as you would be if you were in the office.
Your problem is extremely poor management, not working from home. There are less intrusive ways to measure productivity / make people aware they need to be productive than spyware.
 
Yes. And as history showed Steve Jobs was replaceable.

eh... not exactly. They at least needed Jobs to show them the way. I am pretty sure if Tim Cook was the CEO after Gil Amelio Apple would not be where it is today. Of course, Jobs is a unique and rare case.

He could have seen the writing on the wall and beat them to the punch

if his work has anything to do with Siri, I can completely agree with you.
 
LOL...you couldn't be more wrong. All major economists are pointing to a recession is coming for sure. The inflation is due to many factors...the first being all the easy money pumped into the economy by the Covid relief bills under Trump and then Biden. And then Biden's hateful policies towards petroleum producers (its funny, he's now begging them to crank back up production but they all giving him the middle finger, then he started begging OPEC to produce more...so you don't want America to produce petroleum but you're willing to rely on Arabian oil from OPEC, most of whom hate America?????). And on top of it all, the last two months there's been a war in Eastern Europe affecting global supply of oil. Biden is conveniently now calling all inflation "Putin's Price Hike". Well how do you explain inflation reaching 7% prior to Russian invasion of Ukraine?? And Biden and the Dem's want to keep spending, they still want that multi-Trillion dollar social justice bill to pass, all that would serve to do is further overheat the economy, further driving up inflation and further monetizing our debt, spurring more inflation.

The oil companies are playing us. Oil dropped below $100 a barrel, usually an indicator of cheaper gas prices. Yet they never came down. We became the 7th largest exporter of oil in the world - yet prices remain high because we are shipping oil off to others. Oil producers have 9,000 unused exploration leases, yet comlain how they are being handcuffed.

As far as spending goes, please. Trump and the Republcan controlled Congress set a near record deficit level, while Biden has actually cut the deficit a little bit. Trump had the third-biggest primary deficit growth, 5.2 percent of GDP, behind only George W. Bush (11.7 percent) and Abraham Lincoln (9.4 percent). Spending is not just a Dem thing, the GOP is quite adept at it too.

The Fed finally increased interest rates - something they should ahve done a while ago.
 
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To quit over this is unreasonable and mildly childish.
To believe this is narrow minded and mildly ignorant.

Wake up. Many many in the tech sector resigned for the same reason and continue to do so. Including me. I now spend more time with family, get more done in less time due to lack of distractions, work when I am most productive and am eating better & working out again. And I make more money which will allow me to retire sooner.

In short, it was life changing.

I didn’t have a temper tantrum or hold my breath or threaten to leave. I just applied for and accepted a role that allows me to work remotely forever.

Oh, and the best part? I get to wear my “I’m unreasonable and childish” T-shirt to work.
 
Where's the evidence for this? What you're claiming runs counter to everything I've seen.
I’m the current culture even in person requires significant monitoring and oversight. I’ve seen it in companies of all sizes. Employees get away with whatever they can because the feel entitled. I have an 8 year old son and know working with kids at home creates a distracted environment to contend with far more so than random coworkers passing by.
 
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Like all government created problems, the free market will fix this. Give it time. Inflation and recession are happening. Coding is a gig for the young and hungry and the older these "I need to be with my family" types get, the sooner they will be replaced by younger, hungrier, bolder, harder working people. That is life.

Products will suffer. Creativity that DEMANDS in person interaction will suffer, and NEWER products and ideas will prevail.

Meanwhile since that will take 2-5 years for it to fully manifest and a 1/4 generation for new workers to replace them, all these companies that put it off will continue to get further and further behind.

Steve Jobs would have fired them ALL already. Apple is now just another WOKE-WHINER Tech Giant too big to change or inovate.
You're in for a big shock if you think younger workers are going to fall for the same trap the generation above mine fell for; that work is all there is to life and that you have to devote 40+ years of your humanity serving greedy corporations.
 
Lots of people keep making this an either/or proposition when it looks like Apple wants a hybrid situation. I’m also wondering if maybe Apple has more control over security of information on site. Maybe they dont want people logging in at home from computers their 12 year olds accidentally installed hey stroke loggers on.

Our work computers had a lot of security software installed. If you went to the wrong website or did any number of other things on the computer or network, you received a warning and had to provide an explanation for why you did it within 8 hours or you were kicked off the network. BTW, we did have cases of people bringing in an infected computer into the office and infecting other people on the network. That was quite some time ago though.
 
People will come back with their tails between their feet once they no longer have food in the fridge and no one is going to pay them $100k.year jobs working from home.

No one? Mine pays me just that and I work at home. And with outstanding performance reviews. Trust between employer and employee is a two way street.
 
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eh... not exactly. They at least needed Jobs to show them the way. I am pretty sure if Tim Cook was the CEO after Gil Amelio Apple would not be where it is today. Of course, Jobs is a unique and rare case.



if his work has anything to do with Siri, I can completely agree with you.
We’ll Ill bet Tim will show the next in line the way. Pretty sure this succession thing is under control.
 
I’m the current culture even in person requires significant monitoring and oversight. I’ve seen it in companies of all sizes. Employees get away with whatever they can because the feel entitled. I have an 8 year old son and know working with kids at home creates a distracted environment to contend with far more so than random coworkers passing by.
Sounds like a management style from hell. Also I was home schooled growing up, ended up winning a bunch of academic competitions, have shipped software for some of the most prestigious institutions in the US, and run my own business. Most of my peers also had good outcomes. It's not being at home that's the problem.
 
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Very curious how many of the people that are so shocked that someone would resign over this work in the tech sector or at least understand how competitive the market is for software engineers & other talent. I know plenty of folks that either prefer the offices or don’t mind going back. But for those that prefer to wfh, why would they not move to a company that allows them to do so?
 
LOL...you couldn't be more wrong. All major economists are pointing to a recession is coming for sure. The inflation is due to many factors...the first being all the easy money pumped into the economy by the Covid relief bills under Trump and then Biden. And then Biden's hateful policies towards petroleum producers (its funny, he's now begging them to crank back up production but they all giving him the middle finger, then he started begging OPEC to produce more...so you don't want America to produce petroleum but you're willing to rely on Arabian oil from OPEC, most of whom hate America?????). And on top of it all, the last two months there's been a war in Eastern Europe affecting global supply of oil. Biden is conveniently now calling all inflation "Putin's Price Hike". Well how do you explain inflation reaching 7% prior to Russian invasion of Ukraine?? And Biden and the Dem's want to keep spending, they still want that multi-Trillion dollar social justice bill to pass, all that would serve to do is further overheat the economy, further driving up inflation and further monetizing our debt, spurring more inflation.

The Fed balance sheet has grown $5 trillion since the start of the pandemic. But it had grown from $1 trillion to $4 trillion in the decade prior. So we had massive monetary stimulus since 2009 and a lot of fiscal stimulus since 2020. The Fed ended Quantitative Easing in March 2022 and announce this past week that they are going into Quantitative Tightening which will shrink their balance sheet. They are not selling bonds, though. They are just letting their existing securities mature and they won't be replacing them by additional purchases. This is the gentle way of doing things.

I'm old enough to remember when interest rates were almost 20%. Our first mortgage was 10.1%. The Federal Reserve can certainly kill inflation and it's a rather painful process for a lot of people. The Federal Reserve had a lot of opportunities but wanted to be popular with the people instead of opting for more sound policies; something that started with Greenspan.
 
You're in for a big shock if you think younger workers are going to fall for the same trap the generation above mine fell for; that work is all there is to life and that you have to devote 40+ years of your humanity serving greedy corporations.
Thessalonians 3:10 if he will not work, he will not eat. I think hungry people are stupid people, and stupid hungry people give rise to dictators. They become the Mob. So, pretty much, yeah, I'm in the lets do what has worked for thousands of years camp and not pretend we are soooo much smarter than everyone else who ever lived.
 
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Nope. I WFH and I’ve never been more productive than I am now. I’m more distracted with co workers talking and gossiping all the time. My performance has never been better since I’m able to focus at home.
I’ve heard this from people I work with. Maybe it just depends on what your job is whether WFH is the better way to go for employees or not.

I can’t speak to productivity levels, but the reports from management are superb regarding it, and coworkers say they have a much better quality of life.

So clearly I work in a place that WFH is a solution that works for everyone (management and the underlings), but I can’t imagine it works in every work scenario.
 
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Very curious how many of the people that are so shocked that someone would resign over this work in the tech sector or at least understand how competitive the market is for software engineers & other talent. I know plenty of folks that either prefer the offices or don’t mind going back. But for those that prefer to wfh, why would they not move to a company that allows them to do so?

There are times in your life when you want stability. Maybe you're putting your kids through college or they are in high-school preparing to leave the nest. Or you have other obligations like caring for elderly parents where you need some stability in life. I turned down a dream job to take care of a sick relative (this was back in 2008 and it would have been remote work). There are places where you are in a WFH or work at an office when you start and then they change their policy. We bought out a company many years ago and told them to just keep doing what they were doing where they were doing it. It was a typical office environment where people commuted an hour or less. Then we decided to consolidate buildings and closed theirs down and said that they had to come to our building which added 30 minutes for a lot of workers. Many did quit as their skills were in demand.
 
Thessalonians 3:10, if he will not work, he will not eat. I think hungry people are stupid people, and stupid hungry people give rise to dictators. They become the Mob. So, pretty much, yeah, I'm in the lets do what has worked for thousands of years camp and not pretend we are soooo much smarter than everyone else who ever lived.

(Exodus 21:1–11)

12If a fellow Hebrew, a man or a woman, is soldb to you and serves you six years, then in the seventh year you must set him free.

13And when you release him, do not send him away empty-handed. 14You are to furnish him liberally from your flock, your threshing floor, and your winepress. You shall give to him as the LORD your God has blessed you. 15Remember that you were slaves in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God redeemed you; that is why I am giving you this command today.

16But if your servant says to you, ‘I do not want to leave you,’ because he loves you and your household and is well off with you, 17then take an awl and pierce it through his ear into the door, and he will become your servant for life. And treat your maidservant the same way.

18Do not regard it as a hardship to set your servant free, because his six years of service were worth twice the wages of a hired hand. And the LORD your God will bless you in all you do.

-- Just go down to HR and they'll punch the hole in your ear.
 
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