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Just like you'd never be comfortable with a home-schooled heart surgeon

Ah yes, the false equivalence. You apparently know nothing about building ML models, let alone the fact that people usually don’t have access to an operating room nor patients with cardiac disease that require surgical procedures in their homes… A ML/DS team can def work remotely, especially considering they are likely doing their work on cloud-based clusters and not in their laptops/desktops. I’ve built ML models and also work in healthcare as a clinician, so actually understand the difference.
 
Lol so people wanting to continue to work, just in an environment that people fine more flexible, are considered “lazy freeloaders.” I can tell this wasn’t written in good faith.
Yes they are. Enough is enough. Apple has been MORE than flexible and all these jokers want is for the gravytrain to continue. Apple owes them nothing except a spot on the unemployment line.
 
Asking someone to come into work 2-3 times a week is insane. I mean clearly whatever the employee prefers is what works best for the company. I mean if the employee feels better and more comfortable in a bathrobe watching Trailer Park Boys, while eating Funions and turning his camera off for meetings, so be it. Did our unions sweat and bleed for the work week to grow to expecting people to come into work 2-3 times a week? It feels like so much they fought for is eroding. Next thing you are going to tell me that employees bonuses should actually be tied to performance or something medieval like that!
 
I, too, would hate to have to work 2-3 days a week in the world's most modern office for the world's most valuable company, probably making so much money I could never even figure out what to do with it. It sure would suck!
 
I work in the public sector and my employer has been bleeding IT and software developers since they mandated a return to the office in late 2020. Once someone realizes that it is ridiculous to get into slacks and sit in a cube city to RDP into a server, console into a SAN or vSphere, or access a git repository...you're never going to make them see mandatory in-office any other way than a wage cage. Tech also happens to pretty much perpetually be in demand so some other entity that offers full-remote or office optional is going to poach your talent...and nobody gives a damn that your whole university model value-add hinges on maintaining the appearances that in-person operations are happening.
I'm in IT, and I just answered another poster about how horrible it was to be working remotely. We work better when we as a team, collaborate. Yes, I can get my work done from home. Most of us already remote into the office for maintenance work or other projects that can't be done during normal production hours. But, to work fully from home for us wasn't as cool as it sounded. Constant distraction from just the things that go on at home. Especially when your kid(s) can't go to school. Almost every call I'm on with someone that works from home. We hear all the things that go on in the background. Dogs, kids, other people. Sometimes its funny, other times it's annoying. You tend to not have this issue when you all in the office.

Again, not for everyone. But, if you needed that kind of job. You should have requested it or been in that position to begin with.
 
Yet members of the over-educated classes still selfishly disregard the human lives behind the coffee counter and those delivering their 1-hour Whole Foods/Amazon orders, because they’re self-important, soft, narcissistic, and privileged. Sorry you can’t always “work” in your jammies while mommy brings you Hot Pockets.

Get over yourselves and stop lowering the rest of society to your perverse standards.
 
This. Couldn’t agree more.
Good luck with finding an employer that agrees with you. I’ve been in product development my entire career and Have experimented with remote collaboration. While the technologies that allow for it have greatly improved the last 25 years it is still not remotely a substitute for being in the same room.

People are social creatures and require close personal interaction to fully communicate complex ideas. Remote interaction technology falls far short of what can be accomplished when people are in the same room where they can more effectively develop the interpersonal relationships that are absolutely required to excel creatively.
 
I work in a big tech company that went remote and I can definitely tell you that our productivity went down massively. Even after our infrastructure was tuned in to support this, we’re not close to precovid levels of productivity. There’s also a big time loss of collaboration and team building. It’s doable sure but at the lack of similar output. People are getting paid more to produce less right now, while in their PJs.
That means your company hired sucky employees. I would fire them and get better people.
 
Yes they are. Enough is enough. Apple has been MORE than flexible and all these jokers want is for the gravytrain to continue. Apple owes them nothing except a spot on the unemployment line.
And he resigned. Exactly what you wanted from someone not playing by Apple’s rules.

So why are YOU still whining?
 
You must be a business owner or manager. Otherwise, how are you this convinced to be against your own interests?

How do you get this bitter over people wanting to have better lives that you just start screaming “entitlement” and that they’re “crying” because other people make decisions that better their lives? If they’re able to be just as productive or more productive at home, what’s the issue?

Comments like these make me think you have no conversations with people in real life. I can’t see someone getting this angry if they’ve actually discussed the topic of WFH with friends and family unless they’re all just as pissed about it as you for god knows why.
I have several people who WFM and they are total crap. I can track them and see how little they work. They’ll be laid off in the next few weeks ?
 


Apple's director of machine learning, Ian Goodfellow, has resigned from his role a little over four years after he joined the company after previously being one of Google's top AI employees, according to The Verge's Zoë Schiffer.

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Goodfellow reportedly broke the news to staff in an email, saying his resignation is in part due to Apple's plan to return to in-person work, which required employees to work from the office at least one day per week by April 11, at least two days per week by May 2, and at least three days per week by May 23. "I believe strongly that more flexibility would have been the best policy for my team," Goodfellow said in the email.

Apple employees began returning to Apple Park last month, with the three-day in-office work policy being enacted on May 23. Some employees have been unhappy about the plan to return to in-person work.

In a letter to Apple CEO Tim Cook during the summer, a group of employees said "Without the inclusivity that flexibility brings, many of us feel we have to choose between either a combination of our families, our well-being, and being empowered to do our best work, or being a part of Apple. This is a decision none of us take lightly, and a decision many would prefer not to have to make."

Article Link: Apple's Director of Machine Learning Resigns Due to Return to Office Work

Nothing about Mr Goodfellow is good.


1 say a week abs he wants more flexibility after working in office daily for 2 out of 4 yrs?!

Lazy ass!

Let him go back to Google, and don’t let the door hit ‘em on the way out.

I work a LOT less money,
I take TTC in Toronto (bus and subway) across 40km to work = every job I’ve had for 30yrs been like this btw.
I was fired during the pandemic on CERB and got a job 8mths in working with a team of 6 which rotates 1wk in office while another 5wks at home.
Every day in we filled out symptom report which 3 guys played the (1/8 symptom check boxes I have) sniffles or a headache game so they didn’t have to come in. Management took severe notice of how frequent that was and when their contracts came to expire they were let go! Rightfully so!

In the last 5mths a push back to office had us in service desk come into the office daily to prepare and support other teams in 3 locations in the city which never happened. We’re back to 1week in 2 wks off (just 2 others and myself in-office support rotation).

I appreciate having a job and not free-loading on others taxes. I LOVE having a job and th ei dependence it gives me and ability to help support my mom. I come from a. Very hard working family that built everything we had from SCRATCH!

I have no pity for laziness! When this guy finds it difficult to get a lazy work at home job and has to dig into his savings to make ends meet he’ll realize how good he had it.
 
I know I’m in a different field, but I love my office and going to work. When I drive to work I listen to podcasts that I enjoy, and my mind transitions from home stuff to work things. And at the end of the day, the ride and podcasts free the day’s stress and I look forward to seeing my wife and children.
At work, in my little room I have my desk and books and computer and coffee maker and music playing and can think. Once in a blue moon when I can’t sleep I’ll go to work and work on things just to do it.
I could do most stuff at home on my laptop, but I enjoy my setup at work and the different location and the drive there. I can’t be that much of a rarity?
Plus, I can’t imagine working in an office like that one! A location that beautiful would be inspiring.

I agree with your post and thought this was pretty normal. This thread really changed this perspective ?
 
It’s a free country. Everybody can leave if they feel they’ll be treated better somewhere else…
This isn’t about being “treated better” it’s about being a lazy snowflake wanting everything his way.

He can go look elsewhere. If he finds what he wants good for him. If not then it’s ON him not Apple to see where his priorities and laziness or lack of effort lies.
 
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