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San Fransisco Bay makes k cups out of potatoes. They require commercial composting, but they are actually cheaper to manufacture than plastic cups. They have a home compostable outer packaging too, but due to its design, it can't support more than 2 lbs.
Thank you for informing of this fact. Great to hear!! 👍🏽
 
Strawman. General statement that doesn’t really mean anything.
It's not a straw man. It's an actual issue, and it has great meaning to the entire society and the world at large, especially those who will live past the current generation of "leadership" in our corporations and legislature.

I've engaged with you before on this site and I never felt like you were insincere or trollish, but I do feel like you miss the bigger picture via a reductionist and laissez-faire capitalist approach to topics you enter into. Remaining calm, using precise language and logical reasoning in your responses is all good. Missing or refusing to engage the human consequences and the bigger picture is not.
 
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Was this a demonstrable fact (kids being less vulnerable) or has it simply been oft-repeated meme without citation of source? I have definitely read that one of the variants were putting more kids into the hospitals.

The second issue (being able to pass it on to others) is absolutely reason enough to close schools and keep kids at home, but I find the oft-repeated meme of "kids are fine" to be suspect.

Well, safe, based on statistics of infections vs deaths vs hospitalizations. Kids had much lower rates of bad stuff happening to them than adults. But it doesn't mean no kids died or were hospitilized. And newer numbers from the newer variants may show more vulnerability for kids, I haven't seen those numbers.
 
Because I want Apple to make the best products it can and when loafers like this entitled freeloader want to vacation at home Apple can't do that.

Clear now?
What's clear is that you harbor an irrational and emotionally-driven stance on work-from-home employees, which you character assassinate as "loafers" and "entitled freeloaders". Not only is this a bizarrely hostile reaction to complete strangers for no clear reason, it also assumes that management at Apple is too stupid to recognize when their WFH employees are not getting work done. You appear to be engaging in culture war, and it makes absolutely no sense when anyone, of any political affiliation and generation, can work from home on most office-type tasks. It's not limited to "those people", whoever is your scapegoat of choice.
 
Per The NY Times article:
“In places where schools reopened that summer and fall, the spread of Covid was not noticeably worse than in places where schools remained closed. Schools also reopened in parts of Europe without seeming to spark outbreaks.”

There are a variety of reasons for this outcome. One often cited is that just because schools are closed that does not prevent children from congregating and playing together, so there was no noticeable difference in spread. When you look at the damage done to education and social development, particularly in underserved communities, I think it is very difficult to justify especially given what we know now about the harmful impacts. If there is another surge, I seriously doubt you will find very many officials and health experts advocating for school closures.
I'm not sure that diminishes the intent of school closures. Rather, it seems to imply that there's a further need to prevent congregation.
 
Being off-topic I'll still reply and say I do hate having to pay for your poor choices. You made the decision to persue higher education. You made the decision to get a degree in a poor paying profession.

I and others should not have to pay YOUR bills.
Nope. I did NONE of the above. Try again.
 
No. It’s pretty obvious that in certain situations all being in a room together can aid productivity.

That said the benefits of working from home outweigh most a lot of things for most a lot of situations, definitely when it comes to quality of life.
It's not really that obvious, though. That's why this pandemic shutdown's remote working has been such an awakening for so many people. Not only did people accomplish things they assumed they needed to do in person, they even improved in some areas, in terms of productivity. I DO think there are reasons to be in person in a work place, but I really do think that a lot of otherwise seemingly obvious things have been debunked.

And hell, I actually PREFERRED The Late Show with Stephen Colbert WITHOUT a studio audience 😅
 
The entirety of the design? Drug manufacturers researching new drugs?
Many of the processes involved in both consist of many stages of solo activities for one or more individuals, sometimes one depending on the results of the other person's solo work. Have you witnessed chemistry labs in use? Aside from the specialist equipment, there's a lot of handing off of one task from one person to another, not team activities. In fact, you're more likely to see a person doing a batch of processing for multiple people who are not present, and then delivering those processed samples to the persons who ordered them.

The specialist equipment, however, may be the real crux of the issue, I will grant. But aircraft design (and possibly even chemistry) needs only a basic computer and software for a lot of the initial stages of design and development, before specialist equipment comes into play.

The employer still has the final say. What you believe are valid wfh scenarios may not be valid for another employer.
Yes, the employer does, right now. People want to change that. Why does an employer deserve to rule against a worker in cases where it's an objective fact that something can be done just as well remotely as it can be done in an office? At issue is the argument that employers should not have an overwhelming amount of arbitrary power over employees. The capitalist claim is that employers are compensating workers for providing their time/skills; that it's an exchange between consenting parties. Yet the application is FAR from a neutral and balanced exchange, especially when considering all the things the employer demands of a worker (most of their life's time, really), and there's a MASSIVE power disparity between the two sides.
 
What would Steve Jobs do?

Jobs said in 2010: When we were an agrarian nation, all cars were trucks, because that's what you needed on the farm. But as vehicles started to be used in the urban centers, cars got more popular … PCs are going to be like trucks.

If Steve Jobs could have an evolved thinking on computing itself and used an analogy like that; why wouldn’t he have a similar evolution of the workplace, too?

2022 is not the same as 2010. Tim Cook and Apple are pushing the idea of 5G providing more freedom and mobility; the ability to work anywhere, anytime. If you even look at demo of their products it’s most people using them in home spaces. Strange the same company pushing these ideals can’t embrace.

Apple Management just feels suckered by the pandemic.
I didn't understand your last statement, but appreciate your analysis of the weird contradiction with Apple.
 
Many people here think that individual productivity (or the feeling of individual productivity) is important. It's not. Company wide productivity is not the sum of individual productivity. You can have a lots smart people working very hard, and still produce cr*p, buggy, and un-interesting new products. I've seen lots of startups, with smart people, fail, after eating millions in investment.

Apple has the data. They know whether the stuff they started developing 3 or 4 years ago has better sales, better customer satisfaction potential, and less bugs than the new projects started last year (where employees felt more productive due to less commute time, etc.). If that data says slightly miserable employees (due to commuting) produced better stuff, and the best competition is only offering equally miserable jobs, then they will make them come back to work in the office.

And that will be good for both Apple's customers... and shareholders.
If Apple were that honest with themselves, I think they would put more money and time into QA testing and bug-fixing...
 
Some yes, some no. I was betrayed by a union that was utter self-important and self-sustaining garbage, who did more for the benefit of HR at my abusive employer than they even suggested being willing to do for me.

That said, I still fully support the creation of unions. What the hell else IS there for workers? The power disparity should not be this great, since workers theoretically could just leave... but theory is often divorced from practical application. We know that wage slavery and employer-linked "healthcare" means there's an almost endless supply of people willing to put up with inhumane treatment to pay their bills. There's not going to be a general strike when too many people are literally one paycheck away from losing homes, losing their children to CPS, etc.
In Australia you have the state government office of the ombudsman if you work in a government job.
For those working in the private sector you have state government mediation services and facilitation services.
They all exist to deal with your worker rights (and similar) issues. I've dealt with them in the past and had they cared. They used for good communication between both parties and if that broke down, offered us legal advice (not specifics, just names of qualified workplace lawyers who can take things further and actually provide legal advice). Sure the outcomes were not always favourable, but they honestly cared. Unlike the unions here who do not care about worker rights.

I am sure in the USA there are similar organisations or government departments that workers can turn to, to get their issues solved without having to resort to using unions. Well I hope that is the case. The US folk deserve far better than the union movement.

Apple and other tech companies don't even have unions, at least not for these full-time engineering employees. Lo and behold, we're paid above min wage to say the least.
That's great news.

Also just to let everyone know, how unions work are slightly different, in different countries. Here in Australia (as one example), workplaces do not unionise. You can choose to be a member of your relevant union, be it teachers union or maritime union or mining union or hospitality union or etc etc. Almost all of the broad industry types here have a union you can join. How they function though, is the same as the USA. Being the middlemen in any kind of dispute that might arise.
 
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It’s 37 pages because of an extreme difference of opinion between those who believe in employees “rights” vs employers “rights”
It's problematic that you use scare quotes around the word "rights" and that you're presenting the two sides as equal in a simple disagreement. This thread started because of irrational hostility toward a former employee of Apple daring to indicate one of his reasons for choosing to resign. This is not a "both sides" issue. There was pushback against people who started this thread with hostility and ad hominem attacks on a complete stranger over his departure from a workplace. This is not a mere difference of opinion. It is a response to extremist behavior.
 
Its probably good they do that, as staying with one company can limit your creativity by only working with certain products. Fresh perspectives is what makes the technology industry evolve.
Unfortunately, the constant turnover results in many pieces of code being orphaned/abandoned because the original authors have moved on and the corporation that owns the code does not see value in finishing it, let alone debugging it, because existing code does not directly contribute to selling the same product again next year.

It also results in loss of expertise in areas that are not currently obsessions or fads of hotshots or marketing. I still want to know what happened to all the UI experts Apple had, after Jonathan Ive handed the UI redesign to the PRINT ADVERTISING people inside Apple, instead of the seasoned UI experts, some of which probably have been involved in decades of human-computer interface study and definitely had more UI conceptual background than someone in advertising.

When such people leave a workplace that shows no interest in their specialty, the space they leave behind them often gets filled by people who don't have their expertise. Part of the "productivity and cost-cutting" obsession is where employers now expect one person to do multiple unrelated job tasks that used to have dedicated job titles, worked by separate people, who had actual expertise in those areas. I've seen this problem growing since the early 2000s, but it's just gotten worse and worse.

Sometimes "fresh perspectives" turn out to be a process of reinventing the wheel, but in a less robust form than people who already discovered a lot earlier. Sometimes that "fresh perspective" does not grasp the why for things that have been done a certain way for a very long time. Expertise has been kicked and bullied and stabbed in the back by people who don't think anyone should ever be considered to know "the facts" about something, because "my opinion matters too!"

Has nobody else noticed iOS 7 and later has repeated examples of failure of understanding such basic UI conventions as "multi select" modes??
 
I didn't understand your last statement, but appreciate your analysis of the weird contradiction with Apple.
Apple feels they need to get value for money by having the campus fully utilized. The pandemic got in the way of that. But honestly, they will keep pushing until one three things happen: people quit, poached or a serious outbreak on campus of a new variant resulting in everyone having to quarantine. Then the city will step in and tell them you are not gonna reopen the campus until we say you can and you must adopt mandatory work from home policies.
 
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Yeah, one game company that seemed horribly mismanaged. Sure Tim Sweeney did okay though.
You recently implied that Apple's managerial success was proven via their financial results. Did I misunderstand, because now you're implying that the layoffs at Activision Blizzard were a result of horrible management, when everything done there was to get the same kind of financial results.
 
Less immigrant labor in the U. S. is contributing to shortages, price hikes and inflation as well. COVID is causing supply contraints and the war is another factor.
I don't disagree. But the systemic rot was present well before COVID19.
 
Being off-topic I'll still reply and say I do hate having to pay for your poor choices. You made the decision to persue higher education. You made the decision to get a degree in a poor paying profession.

I and others should not have to pay YOUR bills.
Would you support the immediate discontinuation of any tax credit you claimed on last year’s return that I didn’t get to claim, then?

I mean, hey, you chose to buy a house or have a kid or whatever else might have earned you a tax credit. Why does my money have to pick up the budgetary slack for your choices that don’t directly and tangibly benefit me?

We choose to invest as a society in people’s choices that hopefully benefit us all, even if intangibly, like an educated populace. And sometimes you’ll never see a direct benefit from a use of your tax dollars — for example, maintenance on a street in your town that you’ll simply never drive on. That’s fine, because their tax dollars support you, too. They’re probably not so whiny about it, either.

It’s almost like that’s the purpose of government or something, not campaigning and theatrics on legislative floors, but rather actually serving the needs of the people. I can agree that college costs are wildly out of control, and some students get duped into taking classes (or even getting an entire degree) they don’t need. Those are problems that are going to take a long time to fix, but student loan debt is a major drag on the economy right now and can be eased relatively quickly.
 
Ahh you got angry at my reply.
The "disagree" option was not available.

Yes he took a job elsewhere. Did you understand my reply to someone else whom stated it was being treated better? Seems you didn’t read that part nor my reply in context. I wasn’t mad at all. It was false. The employee never stated anything about being mistreated by Apple in his fateful quoted in this article. Did you read it?

You said:
This isn’t about being “treated better” it’s about being a lazy snowflake wanting everything his way.

He can go look elsewhere. If he finds what he wants good for him. If not then it’s ON him not Apple to see where his priorities and laziness or lack of effort lies.

I'm not sure what you're saying I misunderstood. You called the guy a "lazy snowflake wanting everything his way". You then repeated "[his] laziness" and "lack of effort".

So I stand truthfully by my reply. This was not about being treated better. It was about his choice. The fallacy was thinking that working at home would be a forever thing in his role. Apple enever stated working from home would be a full thing they considered. 2 days a week isn’t bad, nor 3 days a week.

He asked to keep WFH, they refused, he left. I don't understand what the problem is with this. I don't see what reason you have to make ad hominem attacks against the guy's work ethic and character.

I find it funny people are loosing their stuffings over such a very slow transition and claiming it’s this or that. Yet nobody is advocating about a 4 day work week implemented over 12 yrs ago in Sweden or Finland which has proven to be better quality of life and work balance yet it’s not implemented anywhere else.

Considering your choice to flag my post you quoted above with an angry face shows you’re losing your stuffing or too emotionally invested in my post that you completely take out of context and wrongfully assumed I was mad. But hey oh well.

Yes, I do get mad. Here's why: I've been repeatedly abused by employers. When people start making attacks on workers, as the way this thread was started, I get angry and feel compelled to push back on it.

The power disparity between employee and employer is horrible. Employers almost never suffer consequences for abuses, but employees lose their health, jobs, income, homes & families, and sometimes the ability to work ever again. Most workers in the world are employed in subsistence scenarios, forced to work multiple jobs to pay for basic life sustenance. The belief in "the American dream", or that anyone can be successful with "hard work", is a belief in propaganda and/or a mental block by way of survivorship bias. The way people lick the corporate boot while punching downward at those with less power is grotesque. It's literally a PTSD trigger for me to see people promoting anti-worker rhetoric.
 
I red the article. I thing in any of my repolies states nor shows otherwise nor does your post quoting mine neither does.

I’m attacking the way in which he made his choice. It was poor and shows a sour feeling about a very slow gradual change he should’ve long been aware of.

Apple has been noted about their back to office goals over 6 months ago! News reported right here back in November. As a director why would he not engage his superiors long before about this plan? Why did he not discuss this? He’s had plenty of time to leave yet instead he waited until the planned 3 day/week introduction 3 weeks before being implemented and then leaves a team he leads with just an email having no thought or a care of the repsonvility and feasting disruption to his subordinates work.

There is absolutely zero evidence for your assumption here. It is likely this guy was talking to Apple management well in advance, but what we get to see is a truncated story without the details.

Poor leader by example here.

It seems you’re doing the attacking directly to me. I’m attacking his reasoning - that’s why I said lazy nOT anything personal about him nor why he chose to do it. It’s work ethic I attacked.

You read me completely wrong.

How is attacking someone's work ethic NOT PERSONAL??
 
This guy cherry picked after a short few weeks of 2 days in office and at announcement of 3rd panned ahead but oh well.

I don't think you know what cherrypicking is.

I’m off by 1 day so sue me. He still didn’t have a problem with this 2yrs prior I’m sure he still had family then.

Yes you were off in your count of days, by more than 1. The first time you denied it, and now you acknowledge it, but blow it off like it doesn't matter. It matters how you present argument against the stated facts in the article, especially when some people might not read the article to catch your error.

What does this prove? I’m fully capable of multi-tasking and have for over a decade.

That you are LITERALLY NOT multi-tasking. READ THE ARTICLES.

I’d wager this isn’t taught as much as it’s seen to distract people and a more focused work style is the norm lately. I’m sure there is more yet nothing you’ve posted states the majority of the work force has multitasked while working remotely any better than when in the office.

I don't know what you're saying here. I have not once suggested that ANYONE is multitasking. I have stated that NO ONE multi-tasks and then I provided you with a few articles for you to inform yourself about the concept instead of me trying to inform you about it.

Abs yes I can multi-task performing two things simultaneously:

Having abs interacting to 2 conversations back and forth - I’ve done this all my life. Managers and friends have honestly questioned me if I was insane or possessed.

Control a computer on 1 screen jumping to another when a process is completed while talking to 1 of those users answering their questions that were non related.

Just cause you’ve never seen it doesn’t mean people cannot do this!

I've done the same things for years. It's not multi-tasking. You're task-switching, and every time you switch, you have a period of attention acquisition in which you are less capable of taking in information and reacting to it effectively. This results in people making mistakes, being sloppy, being rushed, and they're far less productive at each task than if they focused on one task at a time.

READ THE ARTICLE.

You think you're fine at it because your adjustment times are not apparent to you. It might impress others, but that's because you're better at switching than they think they can be, or they aren't actually paying attention to your output and then comparing it to single-tasking output. Eventually, as you get older, the ability to task-switch will become even less productive.

I realize there's possibly a language barrier between us, but there ALSO seems to be an issue of you reacting without considering the content presented to you. Your replies read sloppy and rushed. That's a hint to me that you're doing more of what you think is "multi-tasking" while replying.

I don't know how much of this is a language issue and how much is just you rushing and putting a poor effort into communicating. I only speak one language, and I appreciate anyone who speaks more than one language so that we can communicate (because I cannot speak anything else). However, I'm getting tired of reading your denial-rife, logically-confused, sloppy reaction posts.

Again quite and reply in context as this is exactly what I was saying that you quoted me. I’m just surprised at the sudden letter that said ciao basically. I’d expect a 2 wk notice to help transition his team that he led.

AGAIN: You're making assumptions about what actually happened that are not supported by anything in the article. It's like much of your reaction to the now-former Apple employee is some kind of fiction you generated in your own mind.
 
Lmao weird appeal to power.

Someone posed a statement I asked with a challenge.

Your challenge made no sense in the context.

I’ve yet to see a direct reply.

It's debatable that you would recognize one as such.

The failure isn’t with me here. But nice try since you’re so fixated in your anger towards me. You can just ignore my posts you know hehe.

🤷🏽‍♂️

I will try to ignore them from here onward, but I may have a few replies from you waiting from when I am typing this and I cannot promise to not react to them further.
 
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