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Be careful what you wish for. If you can do the job remotely, then apple or any employer can simply hire remotely, like foreign workers for significantly less costs. I would not be surprised to see a lot of these jobs outsourced.

Jobs that require you to be present is a guarantee against outsourcing. Like a teacher, policeman or nurse, they cannot be replaced.

When the market crash comes, and it will, companies will need to cut costs. Expensive staff is the low hanging fruit. Why pay a programmer 200-300k to work from home when they can probably pay 20-50k for the same work in India?
"Let's keep walking on eggshells under corporate culture and not reveal that work can be done remotely... until they figure that out on their own and get rid of us anyway" isn't exactly a compelling argument for people currently trying to improve their lives with their current jobs.
 
My job is to make my company revenue. All the numbers are accessible along with when I am working at my desk from anywhere in the world. Since COVID, I have been working from home.

Still working from home because I am the top performer compared to those who do the same job as I do. As long as I am meeting my goals (which are lower than my personal goals) I get to stay working from home. The lowest performers have been back at the office for some time now.

Just like the Director of Machine Learning. If they make me come back, I will be considering resignation. My company is smarter than Apple because they continue to let me work from home.
 
You're not a marriage counselor to work from home. You work at a company that builds products, some are life-changing products, products that require maximum focus, productivity, discipline, quality check, again and again. At-home productivity will never equal at-work productivity. At-home discipline will never equal at-school discipline.

Just like you'd never be comfortable with a home-schooled heart surgeon; or get on a rocket built by engineers who worked from home.

Anyway, that said, good riddance to him. There are no irreplaceable people.
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Total BS and naive. Apple is a prime example of why people can't get much done, and what they do is inferior, when working from home. With all the distractions from SO, kids, pets, neighbors, radio, TV, hot-tub, swimming pool, et cetera, they have shown they can't get quality work done. Every OS from Apple now blows chunks because of the crappy job they have done from home, as well as from bad management. The Apple employees had their chance to prove they could work from home and turn out high quality work in quantity, but they failed. They failed in a major way. They embarrassed themselves they failed so bad! They have no case to make for staying at home. I say let them stay home WITHOUT pay, otherwise get their butts back to the office.
Apple's software has had serious problems since 2013, which is quite a distance prior to COVID19 work-from-home scenarios... The issue is Apple's executive management, not the WFH situation.
 
Be careful what you wish for. If you can do the job remotely, then apple or any employer can simply hire remotely, like foreign workers for significantly less costs. I would not be surprised to see a lot of these jobs outsourced.

Jobs that require you to be present is a guarantee against outsourcing. Like a teacher, policeman or nurse, they cannot be replaced.

When the market crash comes, and it will, companies will need to cut costs. Expensive staff is the low hanging fruit. Why pay a programmer 200-300k to work from home when they can probably pay 20-50k for the same work in India?

If Apple could get the same quality of work out of foreign workers they would hire foreign workers. Apple isn't doing you a favor by hiring you, they hire you for $x/year because they suspect you produce at least $x of value a year.

It's all just business, and quite frankly you should stop being this naive.

This is true in every industry and is the reason manufacturing has been outsourced to places like Mexico and China.
 
Working from home has it's good and bad points.

Your in the warmth of your own house, and you can deal with many tasks while still working wirelessly.

Although the bad, which I believe majorly outweighs the good! You're home and can be constantly in 'work mode' and unable able to switch off. You work from 8am to 5pm, but because the computer is still sitting there, time slips and end up working till 6-7pm. Maybe some people can just switch off completely but I couldn't, and I hated it.

Working from a workplace is in my eyes a whole lot better, you go to work and come away and leave it for another day, the choice is taken away from you.
Some people need that structure imposed on them, while others do not. It's okay if you prefer that model of working, but it would not be okay if you demanded to be considered the model by which others should be judged.
 
I think there is also secretive factors of Apple products (design, software, etc) which made work from office is mandatory for their staff.
 
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Has that been determined to be the case or is that hypothetical?
Well, I don’t know how this could be proven in a general sense (across multiple companies, cultures, jobs, departments), which is why the question mark. Using this thread as an example, the question of efficiency is all over the place with posters detailing their anecdota experience. But in my experience, being in the office has closed benefits. Maybe at apple ceo level TC has some metrics to back his request for a flexible wfh policy. I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t.
 
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leebroath said:
"Working from a workplace is in my eyes a whole lot better, you go to work and come away and leave it for another day, the choice is taken away form you."

That's not modern work.

At my former job, you took a laptop with you on vacation. Everyone does this up to CEO level. You get a couple of hours late at night in the hotel after you enjoy the day. Employees are basically always on call.

I had major surgery several years ago. I couldn't work after the surgery because I couldn't move things. The next day, I had my laptop and was working in the hospital bed with nine tubes attached to my body. Typing is a pain with needles in both your arms. I received an email from my manager asking me to look at a few things. I see the managers doing the same thing so they expect no less of themselves.
That sounds horribly toxic. Is that what you're referring to as "modern work"?
 
Entitled young folks may want to consider reality when it comes to future earnings. Very few jobs are going to wind up being permanent work from home... those that are will all become contract jobs. Yup. Say hello to new job insecurity every 6 months or so as you are cut loose. And say goodbye to vacation and benefits as you enter your new freedom filled life as a tech contract worker.
You might want to learn more about the employee, or former employee, in this article you're commenting on. As another person stated: this guy is a rock star and probably has the option to do whatever he wants.

It's not entitlement; it's privilege. But hey, since you're throwing "young people" after "entitled", I guess you're probably just being ageist, while predicting the future (from your perspective of what's been "normal" in your working life)... so I'm not sure why I'm bothering to respond...
 
What's a "jumper"?

If you mean he jumps from job to job, that's completely normal when someone comes out of school and into the working world. If I read the LinkedIn page correctly, he started with internship, and then worked for a few months to multiple years at different places in Google, and then started having longer term jobs measured in years. What exactly do you want?
Yes, he jumps around/job hopping. Google 1.5 years, open AI 1 year, google 2 years, apple 3 years. How can you contribute enough within that short time? He’ll be back to Google, and in 2 years time, back to Apple again. Every time to get pay rise. Lol.
 
yep, my son feels this way as he recently paid off six figures in student debt from an Ivy League institution.

And while I quoted only this, there is as much anti-corporate sentiment being spewed as anti-worker.
As corporations have almost every drop of power, and that disparity is so disturbing, I don't find anti-corporate sentiment to be anywhere near as harmful as anti-worker sentiment. In fact, I think there are an awful lot of people who need to start paying attention to what's really going on, so I am going to talk about it, I don't see corporations being destroyed by workers. I do see people being destroyed by corporations and corporations destroying other businesses.
 
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I'm all for WFH, but no I don't want to pay for someone else's college loans. Even if they were magically forgiven out of the sky, that kind of thing tells colleges that they can get away with tuition increases since the students won't end up having to pay it all themselves. Some tech companies also pay for incoming employees' student loans, but the translation of that is, they pay younger employees more (and if they didn't, those employees would still easily have enough income to pay it off).

I have skin in both games. I'm perma-WFH, and my wife and I are getting ready to pay for her higher education. Our working plan is to get the loans even though we can afford it upfront, since they might be forgiven or at least subsidized. The extra cash will go into the stock market. This is the kind of thinking that promotes.
Interesting. I don't think that the average person has the ability to try to game the system like that.
 
Points taken.. I see both sides of the pendulum. But, ultimately it is a business transaction for services from that regard. I have friends the work remotely here in Canada for Companies in the US. They are solid workers with a lot of brilliant ideas and products to show. My issue is when it comes to basic duties of being in the office when you are fully capable of being there. The employer is requesting what was expected of you when you were hired, but you are using your "credentials" and "self interests" to disrupt that expectation.. It is self entitlement to me. I think that is disrespectful. That's just my morals. My wife sees in her business that a lot of peopel have abused the luxury and moved towns during the pandemic without the employer even being aware. Now they are being asked back to work and the employees are surprising them with the news that they relocated. It's completely unethical. Sure, maybe it isn't exactly "Wokeness". But I don't know how to better describe that self entitlement expectation. I worked in an era of respect for your boss. You follow the expectation they laid out for you until you decide you would like to move on to something else. You can give suggestions but you don't tell them how to run their business just because you think you can.
Your comments might be more easily digested if you seemed to have any interest in employers showing respect for their employees and demonstrating ethical behavior. While the tech world might be a bit different with lucrative jobs, most people's work experience is that they have been a virtual slave to their employers, and their employers have demonstrated callousness, disrespect, and outright hostility and corruption.

Also, you'd do better to address the issues in specific, rather than attacking people with culture war language.

When I entered the workforce, I was respectful to my bosses. When my last employer drove me from my last workplace, I had been taught that every drop of my work ethic was drained by vampiric and sociopathic employers, I had PTSD over employment itself, and everything I believed about "professionalism" was a lie. It has everything to do with practical experience with employers, and nothing at all to do with "youth", political affiliation, or any other attribute you are assigning to "those people" you dislike as a monolithic group.
 
Sought-after employees will have flexibility to do things like this and good for them making a stand, it helps those of us in a weaker negotiating position.
Exactly. And all the anti-worker hostility rhetoric aimed at this guy in forums like this just does the exact opposite: it furthers antisocial BS that hurts workers everywhere.
 
I don't know how any of this seriously affects children other than maaybe the drills. I was in middle school when the real problems started: iPhones, social media, video games, and excessive competition for college robbing everyone's childhood (also overprotective parenting but that's not new). It's clear talking to people a year older than me vs a year younger who lived and who didn't.
I have been surprised at the differences between my school experience and the experience of those who have grown up with social media (as I have learned about them through reading about them), so I am willing to accept that your personal experience was dramatically different from mine. I just don't think that the amount of projection going on at kids/young people by "BUT THE CHILDERN" screamers is even remotely reasonable.
 
While I agree with much of what you say, even the most ardent supporters of COVID safety measures and mandates now agree that school closures were a big mistake -
Ok. I have not seen evidence of this, but I also do not necessarily remember the names of each person whose opinion I read and then compare and contrast, unless they've made an awful big noise and suddenly flipped on their prior noise.
 
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