Ah the entitlement to strip away apples legit profits never ends.
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Apple's EU Core Technology Fee Could Bankrupt Freemium App Developers
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Apple can easily implement a background process to track and send back app install list of your device on a regular basis. With each app having its own identifier, it’s not hard to put all the puzzles together and reflect how many of any given app is installed. With almost all users ultimate trust on Apple collecting their user data, Apple can easily send bills to affected developers demanding payment or seeking legal action.Apps that don't follow apples TOS these users better get ready for a monthly fee to have the free app installed.
My question is how will they know how many active installs are there per month are they going to use the secret hidden quiet notification test every month?
A lot of free apps I download and then delete, are these apps going to be allowed to download it into the computer via iTunes type store?
Let’s not forget Apple is exempt from all of those rules.
I think that's the point. Apple's goal was to make it so unpalatable that no one would choose to go that route
Which, hopefully, the EU will sue them over because it violates the law
Which, hopefully, the EU will sue them over because it violates the law
There already is a fee. Every developer has to pay $100 to be able to sign any app. That's enough
just spitballing …
Be even simpler for Xcode to associate the developer with the app identifier with Apple, and embed an api call when first run after being installed that’s effectively a phone-home with the app identifier. Put it into Xcode TOS and there’s no hullabaloo of Apple “scanning” people’s device.
Well that's just false. Entire companies like TENGEN and Wisdom Tree were created to work around Nintendo and in the end, it's also the reason developers jumped ship to other platforms like Sega Genesis and Sony Playstation
And Apple is playing with fire just like that. They are exploiting the power they hold in their relationship with devs to an extreme degree and it's going to bite them eventually. We might already be seeing that with the Vision Pro and lack of developers bringing their apps over in the hopes that they can prevent Apple from gaining another powerful platform
The thing is, Apple needs devs just as much as devs need Apple. "There's an app for that" is one of the things that made the iPhone what it is today. It was a whole ad campaign. But Apple now thinks of devs as a captive cash cow. That's not always going to be the case. It only takes a failed product to bring their power down and then they'll have to start playing ball
You know you don’t need to take my word for it. I’m just spelling out a possible way for it to happen. Also, Apple protects privacy when they see fit, not when user data matters. But that’s not a topic I want to argue anymore here.
Oh boy. You are NOT a software developer and it shows. Pretty much ALL modern software is based on or uses software developed by others for free. All websites, for example, including this one and apple’s, are based on software developed by others for nothing. So the precedent was set... like 40 years ago. Have you heard of open source? We would not be having this conversation if macrumors couldn’t use software that was developed by thousands of developers for free. Matter of fact, iOS would not exist if it didn’t use software developed by others for free.
You’ve misunderstood the entirety of my comment.
I also frankly don’t care to clarify.
Perhaps the funniest idea in all of this mess. jajaja. Business users get it for free. Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.
In a heart beat I'd support that. I'd rather the apps I need be placed in the security of the walled garden.
That is exactly the point and why this is very much an issue. The entire purpose of that fee is to kill third party app distribution. Jump through Apple's hoops and submit to their approval, or pay an astronomical fee.
Anyone hoping for Cydia, that's that the technology fee is there to prevent.
Theyll just charge the users. There is no such thing as a free lunch.🤷🏾♂️
I dont think Apple is being greedy here.
I know what open source is. I’m a SysAdmin, not an idiot. We’re discussing business models being effected by EU laws, not the (worthwhile) aims of Open Source and the FOSS ideals.
iOS is a platform, one based on a business model, not a Linux distro.
lol. Did you forget, Google provides Apple like 10-20 billion a year to be the default search engine. That 20 million a month would be chump change or a rounding error.
I don’t see the logic behind the arguments that Apple should allow free access to iOS. Apple has developed extreme brand loyalty and built a massive base of customers. Want access to those customers? Pay for it.
Should Amazon/Walmart allow any seller to sell on their platforms without fees? Do game developers not pay Sony/Microsoft for access to their console players?
Should Amazon/Walmart allow any seller to sell on their platforms without fees? Do game developers not pay Sony/Microsoft for access to their console players?
Shelf space is not unlimited in either the grocery store or the App Store — it is constrained by costs and available capital. That’s why shelf space has a price (is not free) in both the grocery store and the App Store.
Because it’s free to install but it has in app purchases so you would want the lower fee…
So, let me get this straight. Cause it just makes me laugh...
You expect to have Apple build, maintain and update an IOS, and host and provide support for your App store and your App, provide you with a built-in audience of qualified customers, expect to have 2 million downloads, and expect to be able to upsell those customers after download...and you expect this all for your $99/year developer fee?
Seriously, the comedy on this thread is golden.
But, I suspect I see the problem in logic. Many EU citizens think, for example, that their healthcare is "free." Ignoring the idea that they are paying for it through taxation. Well, if you want Apple's services to be "Free to business (jajaja), then perhaps you should just have the EU subsidize the service through taxation.
...business should get this for free. Just cracks. me. up.
You expect to have Apple build, maintain and update an IOS, and host and provide support for your App store and your App, provide you with a built-in audience of qualified customers, expect to have 2 million downloads, and expect to be able to upsell those customers after download...and you expect this all for your $99/year developer fee?
Seriously, the comedy on this thread is golden.
But, I suspect I see the problem in logic. Many EU citizens think, for example, that their healthcare is "free." Ignoring the idea that they are paying for it through taxation. Well, if you want Apple's services to be "Free to business (jajaja), then perhaps you should just have the EU subsidize the service through taxation.
...business should get this for free. Just cracks. me. up.
Yeah but I don’t see Apple just paying up masimo patents. Instead they fight tooth and nail for that. Same for 30% commission fee. Apple clearly don’t see those 20 million dollars the same way we see it.
Maybe Santa Claus should build a Mobile OS for the citizens of the EU. 🎅