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Apple's Existing Mac Lines Tweaked for OS X Lion
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By geeks, you mean anyone that has a greater knowledge base than just knowing how to tie their shoes?
Seriously, I think geeks are *more* likely to accept no optical drive and move on to cloud storage, external drives etc. than the average public.
Not even
Maybe just me, but this MacBook hasn't always treated me as well as I would have liked. If memory serves it was when switching over to Snow Leopard, and with one thing and another I HAD to do a clean install. Several times. It was enough of a pain even with the discs in hand.
The thought of trying to accomplish that over a just passable broadband connection would no doubt delight a masochist.
Optical discs are surely on the way out, so I have no problem with that, but something in hand if disaster strikes would be nice. And not having to pay Apple $69 for a flash drive, either. Not when they've always provided a system recovery method before for free.
Tell me what to place on my own flash drive, and I'll settle for that. Spell it out so even the non-Geek can figure it out. But don't EVEN try and tell me that no one will ever need to do a clean install, that Lion will be that perfect.
Maybe just me, but this MacBook hasn't always treated me as well as I would have liked. If memory serves it was when switching over to Snow Leopard, and with one thing and another I HAD to do a clean install. Several times. It was enough of a pain even with the discs in hand.The thought of trying to accomplish that over a just passable broadband connection would no doubt delight a masochist.
Optical discs are surely on the way out, so I have no problem with that, but something in hand if disaster strikes would be nice. And not having to pay Apple $69 for a flash drive, either. Not when they've always provided a system recovery method before for free.
Tell me what to place on my own flash drive, and I'll settle for that. Spell it out so even the non-Geek can figure it out. But don't EVEN try and tell me that no one will ever need to do a clean install, that Lion will be that perfect.
Forgetting OS installing media from computer package you are selling is not "streamlining".
Owning installation media isn't complicatied to anyone.
Geeks know to what to do (copy a partition image, burn disk, buy usb stick), but "the rest of us" does not.
Especially when Apple does not advice to do so in "Getting Started".
So for the rest of us, not having OS installation media will make things more complicated.
Apple has done a lot of this kind of "streamlining" in recent history and it will backfire at some point in the future. They just doesn't seem to care about it now, when they are making record breaking profits.
Selling Air without OS install media is not a problem, because it has internet recovery.
Selling a MBP, which does not have internet recovery and DOES have optical drive, forgetting OS install media is same kind of failure that most of cheapo windows laptop manufacturers do. They are just hoping that you buy a whole new computer when hdd brakes down after warranty has expired.
This is not economical or ecological.
But what do you care?
Maybe you have enough money to buy new computers all the time and don't mind about enviroment.
Do you really think that those 100 customers Apple gains would turn away, if they find that there are some optical disks in their box?
Only reason for this madness I can come about, is that Apple wants to alienate its customers for having a hard copy of the content/software it "owns". (Personally I have hard time understanding why a copy on a hard drive is not "physical"? Aren't hdd's physical?)
This way they can have more control over their customers' content, sell more iTunes movies over BD, cancel the customers ability to use software by any means in the licence, and afterall, invent some new copy protection control to content/software they sell.
Maybe you can't burn/copy OS X 10.8 installation image anymore!
Long live the walled garden!
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It's funny because Apple was pretty much the last company to even included hard media to begin with. The last Dell I bought years ago had no recovery CD, it was all on a partition, same with the Acer computer my step-dad bought (which I had to fix, a blown up motherboard of all things, his recovery partition couldn't even fix or re-install Windows after that...).
So really, Apple isn't quite leading the charge here. Recovery partitions and no included recovery media has been the way of the industry for quite some time. You have an application within Windows to create to your own however, something Apple doesn't seem to include (which they obviously should).
It's funny because those companies still allow, and often encourage, users to create recovery media from those partitions... Apple does not.
is there an expected date of availability for when these factory-imaged Macbooks will be available in the Apple Store? i have a planned business trip to Delaware next week so i was hoping to pick up a Macbook Pro 15 (tax-free) and it would be great if they had them in stock by the end of next week. i figure if i am buying a brand new Macbook Pro 15 i might as well wait for OS X Lion to be factory installed and to have the updated keyboard with the Function keys etc
It's funny because you didn't read the last paragraph of my post it seems, where I pointed this out. Or are you a parrot that likes repeating stuff ?
I have a bit different experiences, although not more comprehensive than yours, but I've seen installation media at least from hp and asus in recent years.
I've thought that all brands include media in their more expensive or corporate models mut not the cheapest ones and this would be just another artificial way to differentiate the models with different prices...
Yes but that is Windows
This may be the case with most windows laptops, with windows all you need to do is just download a trial and enter your product key which will be given to you underneath by your OEM. Mac is different because it is a more expensive and advanced OS so therefore the authentication process for redownloading the software would take much longer and there would most likely be an extortionate wait if you lose a small piece of information.
This may be the case with most windows laptops, with windows all you need to do is just download a trial and enter your product key which will be given to you underneath by your OEM. Mac is different because it is a more expensive and advanced OS so therefore the authentication process for redownloading the software would take much longer and there would most likely be an extortionate wait if you lose a small piece of information.
Should I/Can I trade in the Macbook Pro I bought in June?
I was just wondering whether it would be worth it to trade in my 15" Macbook Pro (that I bought this June) for the newer model.
The newer model has a quad core i7 processor and mine only has dual i5.
Also, the newer model has the AMD Radeon and Intel HD3000 graphics cards. Mine only has the latter.
Also, I (somehow?) only have 320 GB (actually ~319GB) of hard drive space, whereas the newer models give 500GB.
I bought this for college (a bit too early). Also, the new F3/F4 button thing is going to bother me when I upgrade to Lion.
Is it possible to go to an apple store and trade-in (with a bit of additional money) my macbook pro for the newer equivalent? And, if so, is this advisable? I bought my macbook pro initially with a college student discount.
I was just wondering whether it would be worth it to trade in my 15" Macbook Pro (that I bought this June) for the newer model.
The newer model has a quad core i7 processor and mine only has dual i5.
Also, the newer model has the AMD Radeon and Intel HD3000 graphics cards. Mine only has the latter.
Also, I (somehow?) only have 320 GB (actually ~319GB) of hard drive space, whereas the newer models give 500GB.
I bought this for college (a bit too early). Also, the new F3/F4 button thing is going to bother me when I upgrade to Lion.
Is it possible to go to an apple store and trade-in (with a bit of additional money) my macbook pro for the newer equivalent? And, if so, is this advisable? I bought my macbook pro initially with a college student discount.
I'm somewhat confused...
The last Macbook Pro update was in February, and the base 15" Macbook has a quad core CPU and lowish-end AMD GPU. So far as I know there was never a (current gen) dual core 15" model, nor one without an AMD GPU.
Is it possible you bought a last gen 15" Macbook? Or maybe a current gen 13" one? The former shipped with dual core CPUs and I think there may have been a low end config without a separate GPU (though it used Nvidia's integrated GPU, which actually isn't too horrible). The current 13" Pro has Intel's video, and dual core CPUs.
I think if you bought it in June you'd be past the return policy regardless. If you do have a current gen 15" Pro, there's no difference other than I guess they altered two of the icons on the function keys, but that won't hurt anything.
The hard drive is (thankfully) easily user replaceable on the Pro also, so I wouldn't worry about that, though I am curious about what hardware you've got.
(If you ever do upgrade the drive, right now Seagate's Momentus XT is pretty nifty.)
Here is some info I got from the About Mac menus:
Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro8,1
Processor Name: Intel Core i5
Processor Speed: 2.3 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 2
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 8 GB
EDIT: I guess this must be a low-end 13" (Feb. 2011) Macbook Pro, upgraded with 4 more GB of Ram. I think the default hard drive space I was given was 320 GB, but I could be wrong. I swear, I ordered a 15" though.
Graphics info:
Chipset Model: Intel HD Graphics 3000
Type: GPU
Bus: Built-In
VRAM (Total): 512 MB
Vendor: Intel (0x8086)
As I said, I bought it in mid-June, so I guess the return policy is gone. But why would they sell me such a mac when this newer version has released in just over a month? Usually in this scenario, doesn't the customer get a replacement laptop (the new one), if they pay a bit extra?
Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro8,1
Processor Name: Intel Core i5
Processor Speed: 2.3 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 2
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 8 GB
EDIT: I guess this must be a low-end 13" (Feb. 2011) Macbook Pro, upgraded with 4 more GB of Ram. I think the default hard drive space I was given was 320 GB, but I could be wrong. I swear, I ordered a 15" though.
Graphics info:
Chipset Model: Intel HD Graphics 3000
Type: GPU
Bus: Built-In
VRAM (Total): 512 MB
Vendor: Intel (0x8086)
As I said, I bought it in mid-June, so I guess the return policy is gone. But why would they sell me such a mac when this newer version has released in just over a month? Usually in this scenario, doesn't the customer get a replacement laptop (the new one), if they pay a bit extra?
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Okay, that explains it-that's not a 15" Macbook Pro, that's the 13" model.
All the Macbook Pros were updated in February, not July, so you have the current model. The only difference with the new ones is they would ship with 10.7 Lion (instead of 10.6), which is a $30 upgrade, and the icons on two of the function keys are different, to reflect their new usage in 10.7....but the keys still function the same regardless.
So don't worry about it-you've still got Apple's newest 13" Macbook Pro, save that you'll have to pay for 10.7 if you want it.
Well, they didn't release new ones, you've got the newest from February, but normally companies continue selling the old models right up until new models are released. Like when your model was released, you could have bought a previous gen version with Core 2 right up until that time (well, sometimes stock gets tight right before an update, but...)
No...I suppose it's not impossible, but I've never heard of a tech company doing that. Some companies might let you return and reorder within the return window (sometimes 24 days). Not sure if Apple lets you though as there could be a restocking fee, etc.
But in this case it's not a big deal since you've got the newest model anyway, luckily!
You don't seem to understand the true Power of the Farce. Pay your Apple Tax and LIKE IT! Only then will you be strong with the Power of the Dark Side.
You don't seem to understand the true Power of the Farce. Pay your Apple Tax and LIKE IT! Only then will you be strong with the Power of the Dark Side.
LOL!
Well, I did discover that I *THINK* the Macbook Pro line still comes with discs at least....I think. Not 100% sure about that.
I mean I do think the ability to plug it in to Ethernet and pull down an OS is cool, but clearly only as an absolute last resort.
Wolfpup, thanks for the info!
Do you think I should download OS X Lion? That is, could my computer handle it? I've been reading how it's more sluggish, and with my 13" dual core, I think my performance might suffer (in which case, upgrading is probably not worth it).
Do you think I should download OS X Lion? That is, could my computer handle it? I've been reading how it's more sluggish, and with my 13" dual core, I think my performance might suffer (in which case, upgrading is probably not worth it).
From everything I've heard performance should be comparable.
Anandtech's review is (predictably) the best I've seen:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4485/back-to-the-mac-os-x-107-lion-review
Personally for only $30, I'd do it, but I love having the newest stuff! :-D
It's not strictly necessary, and you can also wait for the $70 flash retail stick with the OS on it if you want.
You probably won't really NEED 10.7 until Apple quits providing security updates for 10.6
Okay, I think I might buy it in that case.
One last question: once I purchase OS X lion, am I able to install it to my sibling's macbook pro too? How does this work (must I transfer the installer to the other laptop)? Thanks.
What bugs me, though, are the new monochromatic icons. :/
One last question: once I purchase OS X lion, am I able to install it to my sibling's macbook pro too? How does this work (must I transfer the installer to the other laptop)? Thanks.
What bugs me, though, are the new monochromatic icons. :/
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I understood that totally. I've had similar phone conversations before.
I understood that totally. I've had similar phone conversations before.
Don't know if it was previously posted, but did anyone else notice that the picture on the F3 key is pretty much identical to the Mission Control dock icon? And I pretty much prefer having a Dashboard key rather than Launchpad since I find it quicker to search in Spotlight for an application than to swipe through tons of desktops to get to my Dashboard
