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Sales figures would tend to debunk that. But I'm glad you're deep in the Android ecosystem, and happy with it. Nexus devices are truly the only Android devices a sane person should ever consider.

Personally, Nov. 2 is Christmas for me. Can't wait to load up my iPad mini with all my books, hundreds of apps and start streaming my iCloud content.

EDIT: "Anorexic" iMac and Mac mini? I can understand complaining about the 21.5" iMac. But the new Mac minis are great and the 27" iMac is absolutely stunning.
 
The notion of Apple always selling out of products after a major launch is a 'misnomer' to say the least!!!

Anyone with an iota of common sense knows this is a marketing strategy full stop, one mean't to placate the FanBois and share holders - basically, Apple deliberately makes low volume of stocks available to make it seem that its new product launches have been a huge success.

Statements like the ones you made take into account nothing such as the difficulty of accurately predicting sales immediately post launch (stockpile too much, lose money, stockpile too little, potentially lose or piss off customers), or how much money it costs to stockpile (build, ship, warehouse) millions of products (building such a pipeline is extremely costly), or how product manufacturers can lose sales of their products to the competition when customers can't or simply refuse to wait for product availability. And these comments of yours would be altered just slightly if they didn't run out of stock - the comment would be, "they didn't run out of stock, obviously they predicted much more demand, demonstrating that no one is buying this product."

Apple makes no money "placating fanbois," and even more silly is thinking that shareholders will be "placated" by running out of stock vs. selling more product and earning more revenue.

Since Apple will never win with people who make such statements as yours, I'm fairly certain that what they do is try and balance as best as possible costs vs. product availability at launch to best serve their customers and shareholders alike. But continue to believe it's a conspiracy if you like, one of course that changes depending on the circumstances.
 
Given the number one pad currently flying off shelves in the UK is the Nexus 7

Could you back up that assertion with a link to show sales stats, a quick google seems to show the iPad is still selling in much larger quantities. One report I've read says that iPad is still selling around 60-70% of the market.
 
For now I'm planning on buying a 32 gb Nexus 7 and buying a mini when they hit the refurbished section of the Apple site. ( and they WILL)
 
Could you back up that assertion with a link to show sales stats, a quick google seems to show the iPad is still selling in much larger quantities. One report I've read says that iPad is still selling around 60-70% of the market.

Try 'The Register' UK for links to this topic.
 
What would it have taken to launch a 32gb ipad mini with gps and cellular for under $300??

I'm telling you, the minis might be flying off the shelves right now but watch the long-term effect of their pricing.

Simple.It would have taken a willingness to sell it at or below cost.Wake up!Look at the pricing of all Apple products!They don't compete in the cheap junk end of the market,and don't have to.
 
Although it's funny that people talks about high quality materials vs cheap plastic....and 90% of iPhones and iPads I see are shoved into a plastic/silcone cover. :)

Thank you! Its so obvious, but everyone overlooks this. And the apple cover looks like crap and is awkward. Unlike laptops, apple has not been able to visually destinguish its tablet from follow on competitors. It needs to get lighter, thinner, reduce its bezel size and develop more attractive cover/keyboard product.

Apple now finds itself as price leader in the full size tablet space. Look for this to change with the price of the ipad going to 599. They may ease the pain by making the base model 32 mg. The ipad mini isn'toverpriced, the ipad is underpriced.
 
The notion of Apple always selling out of products after a major launch is a 'misnomer' to say the least!!!

Anyone with an iota of common sense knows this is a marketing strategy full stop, one mean't to placate the FanBois and share holders - basically, Apple deliberately makes low volume of stocks available to make it seem that its new product launches have been a huge success.

Given the number one pad currently flying off shelves in the UK is the Nexus 7, and given the cheap price point of the Nexus 7 3G - perhaps you'd like Google and Asus to restrict access to these devices in the initial first week to maximise coverage on sites like this.

To put it bluntly, Apple have dropped the ball, its stock price is actually stagnating and it sell's over priced pretty toys catering to fashion requirements of the 1% that add little of real value to the real world - unlike its desk top/ computer business that added huge value to consumers and business alike - not to mention the number of manufacture ring/assembly jobs it used to provide in the first world and not the Third World - obviously Apple having no obligation whatsoever to its host nation hence the massive tax avoidance and off shoring of jobs to corrupt anti-democratic nations - not only Apple do this though I admit.

Now given I started off in life with a Apple LCIII way back in 1992 and have been in the Apple ecosystem ever since up until June this year with the purchase of a iPad 3 64G 4LTE, one was seriously not excited by Apple's new products this month - a anorexic iMac, a anorexic mac mini, a 13in Macbook Retina that's obviously way too expensive given the original was priced under US$1000 and a iPad Mini that's a iPad two in all but name and size at a stupid price point.

So, what do you think I'm investing in next for me and my daughter, well it ain't the iPad Mini or the new iPad, rather I'm getting a N7 32G for daughters Christmas box, a N7 32 3G for myself and a N4 Phone for the wife all for the price of a top end iPad - now who's the fools!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yawn, so many bitters in here... whoever says "for that price, I can get..." isn't an Apple customer.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. I CHOOSE not to drive a Lexus. Mainly because I don't need the status symbol\branding, and don't care about the extra "cool features" that it comes with, and my Toyota works just great.

I'm not sure why people feel the need to talk sh#$ about it... it's okay, if you can't afford it or think it's too expensive for what it is, don't buy it.

And if you're going to post your own unsolicited editorial, you should at least get your grammar and spelling checked.

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Could you back up that assertion with a link to show sales stats, a quick google seems to show the iPad is still selling in much larger quantities. One report I've read says that iPad is still selling around 60-70% of the market.

Yea, that genius fails to realize the logic in his statements... he says "xxxx is taking over marketshare" but fails to realize that actually says Apple is selling more this year than they did last year. Just because their percentage of the marketshare is dropping, doesn't mean they're less successful. If the market is 100 million people this year, Apple owns 90% of the market, and they sold 60 million, they have 60 million sold. If the market moves to 200 million next year, yet Apple slips to 70% of the market, they still have sold 80 million units in a year, which is actually a gain, but those who don't have a clue say "oh look, they went from 90 percent of the marketshare to 70% of of the share, that's awful. In reality it's not. But then we can't expect the average person to think for themselves, given their "logical comebacks" are "Obviously a Nexus is half the price, so Apple is overpriced" .... the mall would be 2 stores, Sears and JC Penney, if consumerism worked like that. Nobody would ever buy designer brands or anything except the cheapest, most generic item that got the job done. Hell, if Dyson can sell a vacuum for $499 that essentially does the same thing as a $99 Hoover, obviously consumerism supports padding a little extra cost into an Apple product.

But hey, I'd LOVE to see a hands-on of any user who has posted above as a naysayer about the price. In fact, I challenge anyone who thinks the iPad Mini price point is too high and says they're buying a Nexus to actually buy their Nexus, make a 2 minute hands-on walk through, and tell us what they think AFTER buying it. Let me guess, nobody will take me up on this, because you're all talking absolute horse sh#%
 
Try 'The Register' UK for links to this topic.

Ok,got my iPad and had a look at the Register, still no clue.

This is a genuine question, so links to your stats would be appreciated, I'm interested in seeing how well the Nexus 7 has been in comparison to the iPad.

This is the most recent I can find on The Register, and even that stresses they aren't comparing to the iPad (and it only relies on CarphoneWarehouse stats).

http://www.reghardware.com/2012/10/16/carphone_warehouse_lauds_nexus_7/
Asus’ Google-branded Nexus 7 tablet is “the best selling Android tablet ever”, at least according to Carphone Warehouse.

Not ‘best selling tablet’, you’ll note - the Nexus has some way to go to match iPad sales, we reckon, but it’s interesting that the Asus-made gadget has come so far in just three months or so.
 
So...

I'm so disappointed but I can see a mass exodus from the apple ecosystem coming up.

The pricing of the mini was a major mistake for apple.

32gb with 3g for $299 (£239)?!! Did they not see Google's trump card coming?

Greed is still not good.

I agree with you! I mean, with the white ipad mini selling out in 20 minutes, think of all those people who will be upset when they find out they paid $329 OMG!

Google can release as many cheaper crappy tablets as they want. in the end its still crap!

When you buy an iOS device, you arent just buying the hardware you are buying a complete solution with a solid ecosystem to go along with it.

Not a heavily fragmented fleamarket like the android marketplace.
 
Another thing... they made a big play about education and the ipad's place in that.

There is no educational discount for iPad minis!!

The apple has bitten off more than it can chew.

I don't want to buy competitors products... I am getting to the stage where apple have pushed me away with expensive underspecced gear.

So you don't want to buy the competitors product and you don't want the Apple product. So basically you are just wanting to complain?

If you don't want a Nexus or other specific $299 product then you shouldn't be mad about the $329 price of the iPad mini. Regardless of specs, I assure you that iOS 6 will run better on an iPad mini than whatever Android version is on those other tablets and with more quality apps. Sometimes it isn't all about specs and with Apple it never has been. Let Samsung and Google brag about specs while Apple actually produces a product with a great build quality and with an OS that runs beautifully on it.

And lastly, you not liking the price/specs on a personal level does not mean the product will not sell.
 
I do love the title of the thread... it implies failure on some part, and it's funny considering it's surrounded by threads of people who are chomping at the bit to get their mini. Is the Nexus 7 sold out? Oh, of course not. Will there be a line at Google Stores (haha) on Friday? Of course not.

Worthless thread.
 
I sold my google nexus...which I had bought when it first came out. I didn't think Apple was coming out with a mini. I ordered an iPad mini.

My impression of the nexus and android...the nexus is priced about right, I certainly wouldn't pay more, has that inexpensive feel to it. I do not know what the battery life spec was on the nexus, but it didn't seem to last as long as my wife's iPad 2.

As for Android and the Apps...much prefer IOS and many Apps crashed on Android.

I'll stick with Apple with the eye pleasing solid built iDevices and great customer care.
 
I do not know what the battery life spec was on the nexus, but it didn't seem to last as long as my wife's iPad 2.

Nexus battery is weaker than iPad, I found that while my iPad will last a full day and need charging at bed time, the Nexus needed a top up charge when I got home.
 
Ooh ooh....I know the answer to this...

It would have taken another company who is subsidizing the price of that tech and selling at a loss or breaking even, because as we know, Apple would never do this. They make great products, that surprisingly enough, cost money. You can belittle them for not being willing to lose money or break even, but in the end, not many here will really sympathize with you on that. Great R&D costs money.



The iPad mini isn't that ground breaking though. No retina display. No crazy fast and efficient processor. It was basically parts out of the spare parts bin. Even the screen is the same as the old iPad2 that is cut down to size. I fail to see "Great R&D" except if you count research being going to see what parts are overstocked in the warehouse and making a product from that.
 
Can you get that "superior" tablet in a 64GB version? How about one with LTE or even 3G connectivity?


For some people the LTE/3G won't matter as we have wifi access in most areas and those that we don't, we have the ability to tether to our mobile device. Problem solved. No sense in having two data plans.

Regarding the 64GB, sure they only go up to 32GB which might not be enough. However with the current trending movings towards cloud based resources, you have access to services like Dropbox Google Cloud as well as remote access to your home computer/server. So I don't see an issue with "only" having 32GB.

iPad also fails to offer NFC or GPS in wifi only models.
 
Considering they have already sold out of the pre orders I don't see how can there be an exodus?

Are you sure you are not just bitter than you can't afford one?
 
For some people the LTE/3G won't matter as we have wifi access in most areas and those that we don't, we have the ability to tether to our mobile device. Problem solved. No sense in having two data plans.

Regarding the 64GB, sure they only go up to 32GB which might not be enough. However with the current trending movings towards cloud based resources, you have access to services like Dropbox Google Cloud as well as remote access to your home computer/server. So I don't see an issue with "only" having 32GB.

iPad also fails to offer NFC or GPS in wifi only models.

I agree that cloud service could render storage a moot point, if only the carriers weren't intent on screwing us with data limits and charges. Plus, it's nice to have some storage for those times when you Internet access is unavailable or the cloud system is down.
 
I agree that cloud service could render storage a moot point, if only the carriers weren't intent on screwing us with data limits and charges. Plus, it's nice to have some storage for those times when you Internet access is unavailable or the cloud system is down.


I agree that cloud based systems have their flaws, but overall they can help alleviate some of the concerns about storage. Same argument could be made regarding 64GB not being enough and how you need 128GB or 256GB. At some point, you don't need your whole music library with you. Especially those songs you haven't listened to in weeks. If you want them, use the cloud based system. Just my take on it.
 
Ok,got my iPad and had a look at the Register, still no clue.

This is a genuine question, so links to your stats would be appreciated, I'm interested in seeing how well the Nexus 7 has been in comparison to the iPad.

This is the most recent I can find on The Register, and even that stresses they aren't comparing to the iPad (and it only relies on CarphoneWarehouse stats).

http://www.reghardware.com/2012/10/16/carphone_warehouse_lauds_nexus_7/

Dave,

i usually start with The Register and link out from there, I've been in about 20 different UK websites in relation to the Nexus 7 and the fact is that its the fastest selling tablet device in the Uk since its launch - I'd have to go back into all my past internet history via Safari - yes, as the alleged Apple hater, all my present equipment is Apple, starting with a iPad Classic, iTouch 4G, iPhone 3GS, iPad 3 64G 4LTE, iMac 21.5 3.2Ghz 2010 revision, iMac 27in i7 BTO 2011 and mac mini 2010 revision - so hardly the Apple hater, rather I'm sick and tired of Fanbois and the Apple can do no wrong brigade - many of whom are out on full force on this thread.

For those with a brain, Apple is no longer a 'David', rather it is the Goliath, its a bloody company, some here think its a religion.

For my own dissatisfaction, the Apple 30% mark up and its apparent anorexic marketing strategy aimed at the 1% saddens me, as do many of its business practices once Cook came on board, as some one approaching 50, I'm not rich and can ill afford to keep paying the prices Apple does, particularly with its 'less means more ' moto - thats more dollars for less spec'd equipment - the iMac revision, Mac mini and iPad mini were the last straws - I'm a OSX man and want great OSX products and not toys for the fanbois's.

Anyway, I'll go through my reference history and provide a few links detailing Nexes 7 sales in the UK - by the way, I live in HK and its now rare to see Apple products on the MTR - lots of Samsung though and no Nexus products to speak off as a very limited sales channel - I'm getting my kit from the USA and investing in UK plugs from eBay, so costs to me of Google range is very cheap compared to the UK.

Further, Apple products sold in Hong Kong are the cheapest in the World, but a fully specced out new iMac 27in is so expensive compared to the fantastic 2011 model.
 
i usually start with The Register and link out from there, I've been in about 20 different UK websites in relation to the Nexus 7 and the fact is that its the fastest selling tablet device in the Uk since its launch

Good luck supporting a "fact" that isn't true. :rolleyes:
 
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