Apple's Fines in Dutch Antitrust Case Could Exceed €50 Million

[Sophisticatednut]

Sideloading will turn iOS into a garbage dump, imo. Kill the ecosystem. Companies will be more careful going forward about what tech is deployed in the EU turning the EU into second class tech citizens.

No evidente for this. Only negative effect will be apple having less revenue from AppStore sales and consumers being able to install valuables and useful application apple currently don’t allow.

Eu currently have drastically fewer credit card frauds happening and fewer Identity thefts than USA and that’s with a bigger population and many more android users.
And that’s because we have better regulation and stronger protections. We even pay less in card fees.

So I’m EU where this regulation will cover we will have statistical undetectable difference compared to USA, the capital of fraud with drastically more iOS users.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

I didn't say they were partially in compliance. Apple has always maintained their proposed solution was fully in compliance and the ACM was overstepping their authority (and law) by demanding other things. This was always going to court and EU courts have frequently reined in regulators and struck down fines. The rest of this nonsense really doesn't mean anything.

Not at all, they already have had the court say it’s okey. And even when you disagree you still must comply untill a higher court judges differently

And the courts have already had a preliminary judgment saying there is close to zero chance anything will change in an appeal.

And with DMA soon to be signed, this will likely be apples first infraction.

 

[visualseed]

Not at all, they already have had the court say it’s okey. And even when you disagree you still must comply untill a higher court judges differently

And the courts have already had a preliminary judgment saying there is close to zero chance anything will change in an appeal.

And with DMA soon to be signed, this will likely be apples first infraction.

The ACM tried to force KPN and Vodafone to up up their networks and they ignored them, went to court and won on appeal. It was noted in the ruling that the ACM only provided a limited amount of documents to the courts early in the process, did not consider the legitimate business interests of the companies, and were way outside of the regulatory framework once the full scope was examined. I expect this to go a similar way. Furthermore, I would not put a lot of faith in the DMA seeing the light of day anytime soon as it contain many WTO / GATS / TRIPS violations as written. It will just be jammed up in the courts for the better part of this decade while life will go on for everyone else.

 

[I7guy]

No evidente for this. Only negative effect will be apple having less revenue from AppStore sales and consumers being able to install valuables and useful application apple currently don’t allow.

Eu currently have drastically fewer credit card frauds happening and fewer Identity thefts than USA and that’s with a bigger population and many more android users.
And that’s because we have better regulation and stronger protections. We even pay less in card fees.

So I’m EU where this regulation will cover we will have statistical undetectable difference compared to USA, the capital of fraud with drastically more iOS users.

No it’s my opinion. Which company is going to be stupid enough to deploy revenue arming tech to the EU to have it regulated away?

 

[vipergts2207]

No it’s my opinion. Which company is going to be stupid enough to deploy revenue arming tech to the EU to have it regulated away?

It’s almost like tech has enormous economies of scale. If you developed a technology for somewhere like the U.S. the cost to bring it elsewhere is negligible. Especially when it’s software.

 

[I7guy]

It’s almost like tech has enormous economies of scale. If you developed a technology for somewhere like the U.S. the cost to bring it elsewhere is negligible. Especially when it’s software.

And now apple is poised to lose billions, imo, to alternative app stores and sideloading and alternative payment systems.

 

[vipergts2207]

And now apple is poised to lose billions, imo, to alternative app stores and sideloading and alternative payment systems.

That’s where you’re wrong. Apple isn’t potentially going to literally lose billions. What they may see is a reduced revenue in the future, but that’s not the same thing. And at the end of the day, a dollar made is a dollar made, even you’d rather it would have been two dollars. Exiting the EU isn’t going to make their own income higher than simply continuing to participate in the market under the new laws.

 

[maxoakland]

Do you have statistical analysis on what the Dutch citizenry want? And if you think that includes Apple bending over backwards to whatever they want then you know what will happen--they can find another platform.

No I don’t, do you?

But your second sentence makes it clear you don’t care about what they want anyway, so you’re just trying to obfuscate the issue by asking for a source that wouldn’t change your mind anyway, also known as Sea Lioning

 

[maxoakland]

Sideloading will turn iOS into a garbage dump, imo. Kill the ecosystem. Companies will be more careful going forward about what tech is deployed in the EU turning the EU into second class tech citizens.

They don’t do that for China which regulates with far more heavy handedness, so why would they do it for the EU?

 

[russell_314]

I have a feeling that Apple will just pull out of these smaller countries that are giving them problems. Obviously it’s more difficult if it’s China or the EU but I think Apple can afford to ditch this one ?

 

[I7guy]

They don’t do that for China which regulates with far more heavy handedness, so why would they do it for the EU?

Did China tell apple they are going to neuter iOS?

 

[visualseed]

Did China tell apple they are going to neuter iOS?

When China effectively neutered Google's services, they left the market.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

The ACM tried to force KPN and Vodafone to up up their networks and they ignored them, went to court and won on appeal. It was noted in the ruling that the ACM only provided a limited amount of documents to the courts early in the process, did not consider the legitimate business interests of the companies, and were way outside of the regulatory framework once the full scope was examined. I expect this to go a similar way. Furthermore, I would not put a lot of faith in the DMA seeing the light of day anytime soon as it contain many WTO / GATS / TRIPS violations as written. It will just be jammed up in the courts for the better part of this decade while life will go on for everyone else.

The courts have already looked and approved, that is why parts of the ACM order is suspended and ACM had to pay back some of apple’s court fees
The thing is this only affects the EU market and any business working in EU.

contain many WTO / GATS / TRIPS violations as written
Such as?
Many things covered by copyright law and fair use in USA doesn’t exist in EU.

EU Obligation to the TRIPS Agreement: EU Microsoft Decision

Abstract. In Microsoft v. Commission, Microsoft was ordered by the European Court of First Instance (CFI) to license interface information to its competito

academic.oup.com

Already rejected TRIP multiple times and was over in less than a year

governments have the option to exclude any specific service from liberalisation under GATS. And EU have used this.

 

[maxoakland]

Did China tell apple they are going to neuter iOS?

You’re not aware what China has required Apple to do? They talk about it here often