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Apple's Focus on iPhone OS 4 Diverting Resources From Mac OS X 10.7?
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I don't get why you don't like Leopard. Was Spotlight really that damaging to your workflow?
Makes sense. The iPhone platform is incredibly important to Apple strategically right now because its also the spine of the upcoming iAds. In other words, a successfull iPhone business harms Adobe and harms Google.
Why would anyone expect a developer preview this June? Leopard was demonstrated in WWDC 2007, and was released a few months later. In WWDC 2008, Steve just dropped the line that they were working on Snow Leopard and said it would be more efficient. In WWDC 09, Apple demonstrated snow leopard, gave a developer preview, and released it two months later.
So, we can infer that steve will probably just drop the line of 10.7 and what it will be called in WWDC 10, and in WWDC 11, they will demonstrate it and give developers a preview.
Simple really.
So, we can infer that steve will probably just drop the line of 10.7 and what it will be called in WWDC 10, and in WWDC 11, they will demonstrate it and give developers a preview.
Simple really.
Battery technology, case designs that aren't even attempted by other manufacturers, trackpad technology, all sorts of things.
I won't play the listing "innovations" game. Anyone can claim that Mac OS hasn't had ever had a single innovative feature. You can go all the way back to the Xerox PARC days and find that everything ever implemented on the Mac had already been done by someone else. But you do remember that Leopard, the most feature-packed release in recent history, came out after the iPhone, right?
I also don't get why he doesn't like Leopard, but Spotlight was added in Tiger, not Leopard.
Nah, that's gonna change. Fee structures do not remain static. Always on access will mean new approaches to billing that do not necessarily mirror what they look like today.
You have many good points. Though Apple will have to add many features that Mac OS X has that the iPhone OS doesn't. Examples (in the order I think of them, not necessarily of importance):
-Multi-user support
-Built-in printer support
-Access to server sharepoints
-Better/easier file access (so you can access files from a multitude of apps)
-Ways to produce content, not just consume it
-More ways to transfer files
I could be here for days thinking of things to add to the iPhone OS, but you should get the gist of it. The iPhone may be the future, but it still needs a lot more features to replace a full-fledged computer OS.
I really wish Apple would hire enough programmers so they don't have to pull from different departments. IMO, that will only make the other products late and/or of poorer quality.
I don't mind waiting for an OS release if it means it has substantial new features & is stable, although don't waste time, either. I don't particularly care for the Fedora Project's & the iPhone OS' cycle: new version every year. IMO, that's a little too much getting out something new just for the sake of having something new. If they add something useful, fine, I'm OK with that. I just don't like companies coming out with stuff just to come out with stuff, nor do I like people who need things to change just for the sake of change. If it ain't broken, don't fix it, unless there's a significantly better way.
It seems to me that Apple didn't learn it's lesson when it released the bug filled Leopard release because it diverted developers to iPhone 1.0.
I don't mind waiting until 2011 for OS X 10.7 as long as it's a substantial release. Apple doesn't need to be pulling a "Microsoft" by resting on their laurels and giving us "Windows XP" refinements for 6 years.
I don't mind waiting until 2011 for OS X 10.7 as long as it's a substantial release. Apple doesn't need to be pulling a "Microsoft" by resting on their laurels and giving us "Windows XP" refinements for 6 years.
Yes, it was. Among other things.
I like Tiger the most and Leopard more than Snow Leopard.
Apple filed trademarks in 2003/2004 for both Cougar and Lynx around the same time they trademarked Tiger, Leopard and Panther.
So, regardless of their ulterior meanings or prior use in the software world (when has that ever stopped Apple anyway? iPhone, iPad, etc), its a good chance that both will be used as OS X code names eventually.
Im not surprised at this news. However, I do think 10.7 will be shown to developers at WWDC by Bertrand Serlet. Whether or not it makes it into Jobs keynote is another story.
I do expect theyll confirm the code name though.
So, regardless of their ulterior meanings or prior use in the software world (when has that ever stopped Apple anyway? iPhone, iPad, etc), its a good chance that both will be used as OS X code names eventually.
Im not surprised at this news. However, I do think 10.7 will be shown to developers at WWDC by Bertrand Serlet. Whether or not it makes it into Jobs keynote is another story.
I do expect theyll confirm the code name though.
sick of it
Personally I'm tired of OS X. I mean it's been around for about a decade now; it needs a major boost to stay ahead of the competition. I'm ready for OS 11...hopefully it will have a lot more 3D...(even though Vista's 'Aero' totally flopped in that area). These desktops on the whole are way too flat and important or frequently used files or programs should be brought to the front.
Ubuntu is the only real exception that sees the benefits of more of a 3-dimensional desktop.
Personally I'm tired of OS X. I mean it's been around for about a decade now; it needs a major boost to stay ahead of the competition. I'm ready for OS 11...hopefully it will have a lot more 3D...(even though Vista's 'Aero' totally flopped in that area). These desktops on the whole are way too flat and important or frequently used files or programs should be brought to the front.
Ubuntu is the only real exception that sees the benefits of more of a 3-dimensional desktop.
not a big deal to me
I am still using Leopard on my 2008 macbook. Still rock solid, and now that I removed Parallels and Win Xp, my machine is fast again, feels brand new, and I have gained 115 gb on my hard drive. Only reason I have not gone to snow leopard is some 3rd party software I use still won't run on it and patches are coming out every day trying to correct that. the Leopard version(s) has no issues.
Plus given Apple just released a new device (ipad) which (with all the new apps) will greatly influence the netbook and laptop markets, I say all the better. I got to play with an ipad this weekend. it felt faster than my 2008 macbook and the iwork apps are awesome for such a device. What I seen of the OS 4 keynote (have not watched the whole thing), it is only going to get better. Plus many wrd party software developers are looking at porting or re-writing their apps to now run on the ipad (Mariner, Omni, etc).
I can see where the future may lie.
Would be nice to get an OS X and iphone OS hybrid (now that the ipad is out), so we can finally have the picture below.. My thoughts would allow for:
Most everything on my tablet, can run my tablet apps on my mac for when at home or at a desk, plus still have my mac apps available to me. A shared folder that auto-syncs (probably would have to be on the tablet) that can house all my iwork docs, PDF's etc so they are available to both OS's and I pull out my tablet and they are to travel with - no issues of "what version that doc is on what device?"; or having to take the time to move documents from one device to another. a 64 gb tablet is plenty big enough for what I have and you only sync the docs you want available to both devices to that shared folder.
I would love this setup. you can already see Apple may be moving to this direction with the patent they came out with, and the iphone 4 having folders for apps. would not be that hard for them to implement a central file system available to all applications.
I am still using Leopard on my 2008 macbook. Still rock solid, and now that I removed Parallels and Win Xp, my machine is fast again, feels brand new, and I have gained 115 gb on my hard drive. Only reason I have not gone to snow leopard is some 3rd party software I use still won't run on it and patches are coming out every day trying to correct that. the Leopard version(s) has no issues.
Plus given Apple just released a new device (ipad) which (with all the new apps) will greatly influence the netbook and laptop markets, I say all the better. I got to play with an ipad this weekend. it felt faster than my 2008 macbook and the iwork apps are awesome for such a device. What I seen of the OS 4 keynote (have not watched the whole thing), it is only going to get better. Plus many wrd party software developers are looking at porting or re-writing their apps to now run on the ipad (Mariner, Omni, etc).
I can see where the future may lie.
Would be nice to get an OS X and iphone OS hybrid (now that the ipad is out), so we can finally have the picture below.. My thoughts would allow for:
Most everything on my tablet, can run my tablet apps on my mac for when at home or at a desk, plus still have my mac apps available to me. A shared folder that auto-syncs (probably would have to be on the tablet) that can house all my iwork docs, PDF's etc so they are available to both OS's and I pull out my tablet and they are to travel with - no issues of "what version that doc is on what device?"; or having to take the time to move documents from one device to another. a 64 gb tablet is plenty big enough for what I have and you only sync the docs you want available to both devices to that shared folder.
I would love this setup. you can already see Apple may be moving to this direction with the patent they came out with, and the iphone 4 having folders for apps. would not be that hard for them to implement a central file system available to all applications.
The storage space is still abysmal. Either way these people that think Apple is going to stop making Macs over the i-devices are insane. When you can run the entire Final Cut suite on the iPhone OS then we'll talk. The day Apple pulls the iMac, Mac Pro, Mac Mini, MacBook, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, Final Cut Suite, Logic, Aperture, Apple Cinema Display and OSX Server from their site after Mac sales have been doing nothing but increasing over the years is the day I will believe these people.
Batteries would've increased in terms of better performance and mAh regardless of OS X. Along with any other hardware examples you can give. Apple are a very progressive and innovative company, I'm not denying that, and the Mac OS is/was their flagship product, however becoming shadowed by the iPod and other i-devices. But surely you can see as of late OS X is seeming to be like a decelerating locomotive. I won't argue that 10.5 was or wasn't innovative, however, due to the iPhone, it was somewhat rushed and this caused it to be spread over 2 years to reach a complete and ideal state 10.6. I just really think they could be doing more. In the early 2000s, the rate of new features, bug fixes etc., was only growing whereas now things seem a lot slower and the iPhone OS has, well and truly, taken the spotlight.
*In the voice of Homer Simpson* Ohhhhhh when will they make shiny computers again.. AHhhh PATTY AND SELMA.
Ah, god no! The iPhone OS is fine for phones, appliances, toys and console-like devices, but it is not a suitable OS for a real computer. Imagine having no file system, no terminal and no access to the actual underlying OS. No thanks. I'd have to switch my Mac OS partition to linux if such a thing happened.
And I also don't think that a "3D Desktop UI" adds anything of value--usually it ends up making things more confusing.
Screw the "cloud"!
Does anyone here NOT care for the cloud? Is there anyone left who WANTS to manage their own data, without trusting it to some vague third party?
I like storing my own data. I like backing up my own data. I like to feel like I'm in control.
If anything, the right direction to go is FASTER broadband upstream so we can have our data at home and access it from anywhere, WITHOUT trusting third parties to keep it safe. Disk storage is CHEAP and cheaper every day. It's easier than ever now to store your own data and keep it backed up.
I LIKE having a folder hierarchy. I LIKE the traditional desktop model, and the current Mac OS X interface. I like being able to install software myself without using an "app store". I like my platform to be open, so I can run whatever code I want on it without any "gatekeepers".
I sometimes feel like I'm a small voice in a shrinking crowd, though, when it comes to keeping traditional computing alive.
Does anyone here NOT care for the cloud? Is there anyone left who WANTS to manage their own data, without trusting it to some vague third party?
I like storing my own data. I like backing up my own data. I like to feel like I'm in control.
If anything, the right direction to go is FASTER broadband upstream so we can have our data at home and access it from anywhere, WITHOUT trusting third parties to keep it safe. Disk storage is CHEAP and cheaper every day. It's easier than ever now to store your own data and keep it backed up.
I LIKE having a folder hierarchy. I LIKE the traditional desktop model, and the current Mac OS X interface. I like being able to install software myself without using an "app store". I like my platform to be open, so I can run whatever code I want on it without any "gatekeepers".
I sometimes feel like I'm a small voice in a shrinking crowd, though, when it comes to keeping traditional computing alive.
I'm hoping for a darker theme in 10.7. Basically make Quicktime X's UI system wide and I'll be a happy camper.
I'd still like to know when they are going to fix the file transfer issues from OS X to SMB volumes. If I copy 5 files over and it copies them it then goes back and deletes 3 of them from the SMB volume. Sometimes it deletes more and sometimes less. Doing them one by one isn't an issue. They say it was fixed in 10.6.3, but nope. Issue persists. It's especially annoying when I am transferring gigs of info and this issue crops up.
Interesting. The screen shots I've seen of the upcoming Ubuntu 10 show a desktop similar to Windows XP.
I don't know about you guys but I wouldn't mind seeing this theme on a 10.7
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Agreed.
OS X overall is a good OS (I use Leopard).
Considering that iPhone OS 4 is coming out in 2-3 months, and previous OS X updates were between 30 and 22 months time, with Snow Leopard just came out, this priority to iPhone OS is not that big a deal.
The OS X team is not gone, still there, and I think for them is also good to work with one another. Sharing experience is always good when is developing.
You'll never know that iPhone OS can get some extra improvements as well OS X in the future.
Beside I think OS X(or maybe XI) in a future will have some iPhone OS feature(basically having an implemented touch experience).
Considering that iPhone OS 4 is coming out in 2-3 months, and previous OS X updates were between 30 and 22 months time, with Snow Leopard just came out, this priority to iPhone OS is not that big a deal.
The OS X team is not gone, still there, and I think for them is also good to work with one another. Sharing experience is always good when is developing.
You'll never know that iPhone OS can get some extra improvements as well OS X in the future.
Beside I think OS X(or maybe XI) in a future will have some iPhone OS feature(basically having an implemented touch experience).