Apple's Focus on iPhone OS 4 Diverting Resources From Mac OS X 10.7?

zorinlynx said:
Does anyone here NOT care for the cloud? Is there anyone left who WANTS to manage their own data, without trusting it to some vague third party?

I like storing my own data. I like backing up my own data. I like to feel like I'm in control.

If anything, the right direction to go is FASTER broadband upstream so we can have our data at home and access it from anywhere, WITHOUT trusting third parties to keep it safe. Disk storage is CHEAP and cheaper every day. It's easier than ever now to store your own data and keep it backed up.

I LIKE having a folder hierarchy. I LIKE the traditional desktop model, and the current Mac OS X interface. I like being able to install software myself without using an "app store". I like my platform to be open, so I can run whatever code I want on it without any "gatekeepers".

I sometimes feel like I'm a small voice in a shrinking crowd, though, when it comes to keeping traditional computing alive.
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I think we're going to get there, but like you said, we need the upstream improvements longterm. We just need personal cloud computing servers to become default options in our home routers. I'd be stunned if Apple isn't already working on this as a compliment to the iPad.
 
I beg to differ

mrchinchilla said:
I remember saying the iPhone would be the death of the Mac as we know[knew] it.
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You have to remember that the iphone, the ipod touch and the ipad are satellite devices not autonomous, so you'll always need a host device for them, unless of course apple gets its act together and makes its cloud solution work, which I think it will take a few years more.

P.S. And personally, I'm not too fond of cloud-based services.
 
I don't see any news here.

What would be the NORMAL time for Apple to upgrade Snow Leopard to 10.7? Steve Jobs, well over a year ago, said that he wanted a 12 to 18 month upgrade cycle. This policy would mean that 10.7 would be released between September 2010 and March 2011.

Apple announces and previews its upgrades about six month before release. So, a June announcement would be expected for a shipment in early 2011. An announcement in January 2011 would mean a 24 month release cycle for a summer release.

Since Apple is saying nothing and hasn't even given us a Big Cat Name, then I don't expect an upgrade announcement soon.
 
Riemann Zeta said:
Ah, god no! The iPhone OS is fine for phones, appliances, toys and console-like devices, but it is not a suitable OS for a real computer. Imagine having no file system, no terminal and no access to the actual underlying OS. No thanks. I'd have to switch my Mac OS partition to linux if such a thing happened.

And I also don't think that a "3D Desktop UI" adds anything of value--usually it ends up making things more confusing.
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iPhone OS is OS X. i can't believe the number of people on this forum that don't know that. iPhone OS has been stripped of all the fat it didn't need to operate on the iPhone. putting all back in there is simple to do. iPhone OS has had stuff added that desktop OS X doesn't have, ie, touch, GUI, location services, communication services.

all of that could be blended into one OS, but what would be the point right now. the desktop machines don't have the hardware (nor software) to need a lot of that stuff.

that time is certainly coming though as the lines between desktop and mobile hardware start to thin
 
Oflife said:
As a human factors guy, and I know a number of people who echo this sentiment, I feel that while OS X may be built on some robust technology (Quartz, QuickTime etc etc), it is a usability nightmare. From accidentally launching docked apps, to constantly re-sizing windows to annoyingly small file select dialogs to a lack of creative 'Microsoft Notes / Courier' like next gen interface technology etc etc. (I know many who MUCH prefer the snappy spacious nature of OS 9 - myself included.) Stability is the only real benefit of OS X.

As I stated on my blog over a year ago, Apple should focus on turning 'iPhone' OS into their primary OS - with tight cloud based architecture and semantic file storage and sharing technology. Using creative apps on iPhone OS is, no matter their initial simplicity, an order of magnitude more intuitive and fun than any OS X equivalent.

I for one would pay big money for a multi-touch 27" 'iMac Touch' with an MS Courier like GUI for spontaneous accurate creativity and productivity.

No matter what Apple have invested in OS X, they have to consider the future. It is just not good enough from a usability angle.

So toast me!
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i couldn't agree more. its time for mouse and keyboard to go screw themselves to put it simply. going from winxp to tiger felt so clean. as much as it pains me to say, win7 has left any version of leopard in the dust in terms of UI AND USABILTY. But even win7 isn't where i want it all to be.
The college professor who discovered radio waves back in the 1800's said that it is so completely useless that it may not even exist. Oh how wrong was he? I don't understand how so many people hold only to what they know, and eventhough they look into the future they can't see a computer without a keyboard and mouse. Iphone os is not quite there for large screens but it's definitely on the right track. I wouldn't pay a lot of money for the ipad as it is, but i'd sell my computer, tv and game console for a 30" ipad with a slightly updated OS to what is currently known as iphone os 4. Files, folders and files systems..... NO END USER SHOULD EVER HEAR OF OR DEAL WITH THE FILE SYSTEM. No one should ever have to remember where they saved something. (please don't bring up search or spotlight because after 4 years of using mac, i still haven't found where to specify in osx which files, folders or drives i want spotlight to index, it still only searches my main drive, not all 4 drives).
The same way adobe has neglected flash, apple has neglected the usability of leopard. Yes i went there. Apple needs to work on the user interface.

While i'm here complaining... who do i take issue with that i don't have smooth scroling on webpages using ANY browser? I've tried omniweb, camino, firefox, opera, safari, ie, and chrome (all with smooth scrolling enabled in the settings) and none of them can compare with the smooth scrolling on the iphone. I have 8 cpus and a HD video card at it's disposal and none of them use more than 2% cpu for scrolling eventhough i have 90% idle cpu. I demand that scrolling be implemented at the OS level with full hardware and software acceleration. I get dizzy skim reading web pages when scrolling.
 
Dear Apple, in case you missed it you have $40 billion in the bank. Go hire some more people and train them. It's disturbing from an investor perspective and a fanboy point of view that Apple's management is incapable of scaling up. Obviously, coming up with an updated OS, for both the iPhone and Mac, couldn't have been a real surprise to Apple's upper management. Everything else falls by the way side as Steve focuses on his new hot thing. Very frustrating to all.
 
NebulaClash said:
Cue the moaners that want to claim Apple is no longer a computer company.

As MacRumors notes, a May 2011 timeframe would be fairly typical. Nothing unusual here, and Snow Leopard is a great OS.
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These people that complain like that just do NOT get it! Apple is VERY MUCH still a computer company... It is just that COMPUTERS are changing! We are in the advent of mobile computing and Apple is redefining what computing is and how it works! We will still have desktops or laptops that are more powerful in our houses, but we will be moving more and more towards mobility and complementing cloud services with networking.

uaecasher said:
iPhone OS helps mac os x not hurts it.
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EXACTLY! Again these people also don't get it. They both pool together with code and eliminate double work effort. Hence the reason el Steve was wise enough to base their mobile devices and everything else on OS X in the first place!

iPhone OS gains from Mac OS X and Mac OS X gains from iPhone OS! It is going to keep going that way until iPhone OS becomes as powerful as Mac OS X! Now iPhone OS rethinks how computing works and that is a good thing! Apple is again forcing the industry to move out of the last 4 decades of the past and rethink how computing works!

People have talked about how Apple will make Mac OS X multi-touch etc. yet they fail to realize that Apple has already done that! It is called iPhone OS. It will become more and more robust over time, but Apple had to start somewhere and they are progressing it slowly but surely. Steve has been very wise in all of this strategy!

Oflife said:
As a human factors guy, and I know a number of people who echo this sentiment, I feel that while OS X may be built on some robust technology (Quartz, QuickTime etc etc), it is a usability nightmare. From accidentally launching docked apps, to constantly re-sizing windows to annoyingly small file select dialogs to a lack of creative 'Microsoft Notes / Courier' like next gen interface technology etc etc. (I know many who MUCH prefer the snappy spacious nature of OS 9 - myself included.) Stability is the only real benefit of OS X.

As I stated on my blog over a year ago, Apple should focus on turning 'iPhone' OS into their primary OS - with tight cloud based architecture and semantic file storage and sharing technology. Using creative apps on iPhone OS is, no matter their initial simplicity, an order of magnitude more intuitive and fun than any OS X equivalent.

I for one would pay big money for a multi-touch 27" 'iMac Touch' with an MS Courier like GUI for spontaneous accurate creativity and productivity.

No matter what Apple have invested in OS X, they have to consider the future. It is just not good enough from a usability angle.

So toast me!
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intel said:
i couldn't agree more. its time for mouse and keyboard to go screw themselves to put it simply. going from winxp to tiger felt so clean. as much as it pains me to say, win7 has left any version of leopard in the dust in terms of UI AND USABILTY. But even win7 isn't where i want it all to be.
The college professor who discovered radio waves back in the 1800's said that it is so completely useless that it may not even exist. Oh how wrong was he? I don't understand how so many people hold only to what they know, and eventhough they look into the future they can't see a computer without a keyboard and mouse. Iphone os is not quite there for large screens but it's definitely on the right track. I wouldn't pay a lot of money for the ipad as it is, but i'd sell my computer, tv and game console for a 30" ipad with a slightly updated OS to what is currently known as iphone os 4. Files, folders and files systems..... NO END USER SHOULD EVER HEAR OF OR DEAL WITH THE FILE SYSTEM. No one should ever have to remember where they saved something. (please don't bring up search or spotlight because after 4 years of using mac, i still haven't found where to specify in osx which files, folders or drives i want spotlight to index, it still only searches my main drive, not all 4 drives).
The same way adobe has neglected flash, apple has neglected the usability of leopard. Yes i went there. Apple needs to work on the user interface.

While i'm here complaining... who do i take issue with that i don't have smooth scroling on webpages using ANY browser? I've tried omniweb, camino, firefox, opera, safari, ie, and chrome (all with smooth scrolling enabled in the settings) and none of them can compare with the smooth scrolling on the iphone. I have 8 cpus and a HD video card at it's disposal and none of them use more than 2% cpu for scrolling eventhough i have 90% idle cpu. I demand that scrolling be implemented at the OS level with full hardware and software acceleration. I get dizzy skim reading web pages when scrolling.
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I LOVE OS X, but it is the past computing paradigm yes. iPhone OS is Apple's future and they know that very well! I think Steve understands this VERY WELL and that is why he is doing all of this! It is all very strategic!
 
We'll know soon enough at WWDC. If there is no mention or only passing mention of 10.7 we'll know it will be a 2012 release at the earliest.

Although I believe iPhone OS is taking resources away from Mac in a big way there is no way to prove it and no one at Apple will ever admit it.
 
MacFly123 said:
These people that complain like that just do NOT get it! Apple is VERY MUCH still a computer company... It is just that COMPUTERS are changing! We are in the advent of mobile computing and Apple is redefining what computing is and how it works! We will still have desktops or laptops that are more powerful in our houses, but we will be moving more and more towards mobility and complementing cloud services with networking.



EXACTLY! Again these people also don't get it. They both pool together with code and eliminate double work effort. Hence the reason el Steve was wise enough to base their mobile devices and everything else on OS X in the first place!

iPhone OS gains from Mac OS X and Mac OS X gains from iPhone OS! It is going to keep going that way until iPhone OS becomes as powerful as Mac OS X! Now iPhone OS rethinks how computing works and that is a good thing! Apple is again forcing the industry to move out of the last 4 decades of the past and rethink how computing works!

People have talked about how Apple will make Mac OS X multi-touch etc. yet they fail to realize that Apple has already done that! It is called iPhone OS. It will become more and more robust over time, but Apple had to start somewhere and they are progressing it slowly but surely. Steve has been very wise in all of this strategy!
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i've already said something similar a dozen times in this thread and no one seems to realize it. iPhone OS and OS X are the same OS!!! too many people don't seem to understand what iPhone OS is and where it came from. development on either will eventually benefit them both.
 
gohanmzt said:
You have to remember that the iphone, the ipod touch and the ipad are satellite devices not autonomous, so you'll always need a host device for them, unless of course apple gets its act together and makes its cloud solution work, which I think it will take a few years more.
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lol instead of solar power mac runs on cloud power, stores its data in the clouds, but for serious whats cloud?
 
Riemann Zeta said:
Ah, god no! The iPhone OS is fine for phones, appliances, toys and console-like devices, but it is not a suitable OS for a real computer. Imagine having no file system, no terminal and no access to the actual underlying OS. No thanks. I'd have to switch my Mac OS partition to linux if such a thing happened.

And I also don't think that a "3D Desktop UI" adds anything of value--usually it ends up making things more confusing.
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Merge. Not replacing.
 
Wish List:

1) Major update to QTKit and QuickTime X (although they don’t really need a new OS for this)
2) Spotlight Fix (as mentioned above, the results window is useless now compared to how it was)
3) Marble UI
4) Built-in media sharing functions (via Bonjour) that support iTunes protected content
5) A merger or better integration of Contacts, Calendar and Mail
6) Window resizing keyboard shortcuts
7) Implementation of the original concept of Stacks (as demoed at WWDC ’06 before the ’07 change, where any application, file or document could be made a stack just be selecting)
8) Smart folder Stacks
9) Resolution Independence
10) Fast Boot Camp switching
11) Sync Home folder/Users across all Macs on a network as part of client OS X
12) Original concept of Automator Service Menu (see thread, https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/772984/)
13) Allow different desktop backgrounds on each Space
14) Official support for AirPort Extreme AirDisk Time Machine backups
 
calvin2006 said:
Fine with me. Snow Leopard works fine, and I'll keep my $129 a little longer this way!

I do agree with a previous poster who noted that OS X and iPhone OS will someday merge. I think that's when we'll see OS X dropped and a new OS name introduced. For those who get worried about this probable line of development, I don't think OS X will get less powerful because of this, but more powerful, plus it will allow all of our computers/devices to work better together.
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So long as that means a more open system for the iPad/iPhone line and not a more closed app system for the main computers. It would be nice to have everything streamlined, but there is 3rd party software that I use (ChemDraw, I'm a chemist) that probably never would make an app for the AppStore. I like OS X as it is. Unless they develop something groundbreaking, they should keep to a system that works well and add security updates as needed.
 
iPhone OS as a primary OS? I'm sick to death of hearing these technology analysts tell everyone the desktop is dead, or the iPhone is going to replace the desktop.

How exactly do you run Photoshop on the iPhone? How about Final Cut Pro? What about a spreadsheet program, CD burning software and AutoCad?

The desktop isn't going anywhere and the iPhone OS is not robust enough to serve as a primary OS.


Oflife said:
As a human factors guy, and I know a number of people who echo this sentiment, I feel that while OS X may be built on some robust technology (Quartz, QuickTime etc etc), it is a usability nightmare. From accidentally launching docked apps, to constantly re-sizing windows to annoyingly small file select dialogs to a lack of creative 'Microsoft Notes / Courier' like next gen interface technology etc etc. (I know many who MUCH prefer the snappy spacious nature of OS 9 - myself included.) Stability is the only real benefit of OS X.

As I stated on my blog over a year ago, Apple should focus on turning 'iPhone' OS into their primary OS - with tight cloud based architecture and semantic file storage and sharing technology. Using creative apps on iPhone OS is, no matter their initial simplicity, an order of magnitude more intuitive and fun than any OS X equivalent.

I for one would pay big money for a multi-touch 27" 'iMac Touch' with an MS Courier like GUI for spontaneous accurate creativity and productivity.

No matter what Apple have invested in OS X, they have to consider the future. It is just not good enough from a usability angle.

So toast me!
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I wonder if they intend to go all the way to 10.9 or if we'll see OS 11 before then. Then again, if it's anything like going from OS 9 to OS X, I'm guessing OS 11 will be a huge jump in every aspect. As in something completely different.
 
I certainly realize that the iPhone OS uses the same kernel as Mac OS, with a vastly slimmed down set of APIs and a simplified UI. But I don't want a simplified UI--when it comes to my main workstation, I can handle a big boy computer. Don't get me wrong, I like my iPhone. It's a great device: a portable surrogate brain, so to speak. But it is not a real computer; it doesn't have to be.

Does anyone here NOT care for the cloud? Is there anyone left who WANTS to manage their own data, without trusting it to some vague third party?
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I personally hate the concept of cloud computing. I don't want google to own my data. I don't want my information accessible to any advertiser, cable company or government agency at all times. And I sure as hell don't welcome the burgeoning monetization of every digital transaction--paywalls, pay-per-play media, pay-per-month rental software "services." I want to control my own data, install whatever applications I want, modify system files, etc... In short, I don't want my computing and internet experiences to become Cable TV.

Not to mention the greatest flaw of cloud computing: what do you when your wireless connection drops out? No wireless connectivity is ever going to have 100% guaranteed solid uptime.
 
intel said:
The college professor who discovered radio waves back in the 1800's said that it is so completely useless that it may not even exist. Oh how wrong was he? I don't understand how so many people hold only to what they know, and eventhough they look into the future they can't see a computer without a keyboard and mouse.
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I like the keyboard and mouse setup, personally. I'll stick to that until we find a way to control our computers telekinetically (as long as it doesn't require permanent implants) :eek:
 
I'm with you...

zorinlynx said:
Does anyone here NOT care for the cloud? Is there anyone left who WANTS to manage their own data, without trusting it to some vague third party?

I like storing my own data. I like backing up my own data. I like to feel like I'm in control.
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I think the same way, I just like to know that My data is in MY devices, either live or backup.
 
New hardware video needed

Considering that Apple hardware does not even take advantage of OpenGL 3 yet, until they move to new video hardware I for one don't see any reason to care, I would love to see ATI new 5700 or 5800 video cards on imacs but I doubt that going to happen any time soon, and Nvidia really has nothing special or running cool enough to put into an imac.

So another 12 months is really nothing, plus would love to see a whole new look to 10.7 or even drop the 10 and OS X 11. :rolleyes:
 
This is something that shouldn't surprise anyone. It's clear that Apple views the iPad as the next step to modern computing. This is a battle they can't afford to lose. The iPad is meant to eventually become the Mac OS for everyone and a way to defeat the Windows (or the future Google) monopoly.

The mouse/keyboard metaphor has passed its time and Jobs understands that. From here on out there will be lengthier updates to the MacOS and you will see a quicker evolution of the iPhone OS to support the fundamental capabilities of the MacOS.
 
No Mac OS X update? That is a surprise to me.
I thought with all the ugly things in iPad and iPhone OS 4.0, their designers must have been focusing on something big.

If there is no Mac OS X update, then they may be busy making new iAds. :(
 
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