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Apple's Focus on iPhone OS 4 Diverting Resources From Mac OS X 10.7?

I've heard some complaints from Apple employees over the past year complaining about the lack of focus on OS X Desktop. Developers are also complaining about projects being made seperately for Mac, Windows, iPhone/iPod Touch and iPad. One project that seems a major victim of this deversion of recources is iTunes. iTunes 8 was originally planned to be rewritten in Cocoa but Apple still hasn't released an iTunes that is build for the future of Mac OS X. Sub projects of "iTunes X" are used on the iPhone and iPad however.

Some recources however seem to be devoted in making OS X totally modulair. What this means is unclear at the moment.
 
And again...

iPhone OS won't be a primary OS for a decade or so, and even then iPhone OS won't be an mobile type OS.

iPhone OS is OS X, just with a different user interface to replace the mouse, and made for a mobile device, is not made to replace a computer functionality.

Apple is experimenting this OS to make things simpler than we usually do.
Computer should have always been easy to use like iPhone OS, but still that is not a computer replacement.

So you don't have to worry now that your computer in the future will suck because you can't print or you don't have a file system.

That iPhone OS is progressing and Mac OS X is progressing too.

...and minority report style compunting is approaching :eek:
 
pubwvj said:
There is another possibility. The MacOS and the iPhoneOS may merge. That would be good. It is the data that matters.
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Please go and stand next to solid, preferably concrete wall. Next, bang your head on it few times and don't hold back... Merge between Mac OS X and iPhone OS would be horrible! Go play with your iToy and let adults continue working with Mac's they love.
 
I've been saying for the past two years that their computers are becoming less and less important to them. Probably why we haven't seen any significant update in years.
 
cybaster said:
Haha, I almost fell off my chair. Although the majority of users still use MS, I personally think Win7 was really a "oh no people hate Vista" release. Yes, what MS did to Windows IS far more noticeable, .
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Don't get me started, I use Win7 and it feel like a tacked on UI, all these years and still a folder will not open when I move my mouse over it like Mac does.
Is it so hard to be able to do this. Yes I know Win is Explorer centric bla, bla, bla.
 
Oflife said:
As a human factors guy, and I know a number of people who echo this sentiment, I feel that while OS X may be built on some robust technology (Quartz, QuickTime etc etc), it is a usability nightmare. From accidentally launching docked apps, to constantly re-sizing windows to annoyingly small file select dialogs to a lack of creative 'Microsoft Notes / Courier' like next gen interface technology etc etc. (I know many who MUCH prefer the snappy spacious nature of OS 9 - myself included.) Stability is the only real benefit of OS X.
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Actually, you're pretty much alone on this...maybe a few fringe people out there may agree with you, but you're very much in the minority (thank god). But for me, OS X is the best OS/UI I've ever used...and I've pretty much used them all (won't get into a dick measuring contest on what OS's and UI's I've used in the past...as no one really cares, but just throwing that out there to show that I've used many things other than OS X). I was also a big fan of NeXTStep too. I was a fan of OS 9, but it doesn't even compare to OS X....not in the least. I'm not sure what you're talking about with "usability nightmare" but i suspect it's more of a person who doesn't like change under any circumstances...even if it's for the better.

And as far as Apple taking their time on the next release of OS X, I'm fine with that. Snow Leopard, for me at least, is fantastic.
 
Am aware they are based on same codebase

But the concepts behind iPhone OS are far more user centric.

Re other comments on my post, Windows XP is nicer than OS X. And I'm a Mac head. I have a (lovely reliable) Mac Mini, have owned almost every Apple laptop ever made (from Mac Portable to MacBook Pro 15") and have an iPhone 3GS. The iPhone is a joy to use and imposes almost no restrictions on my life, whilst OS X apps crash or freeze daily, I am constantly window managing because unlike XP, there is NO way to size a window to the screen with one click. Makes a huge difference. Etc etc.



nkawtg72 said:
not sure you know what you're talking about. you do realize that OS X and iPhone OS are the same operating system? they're only differences are a lack of code in iPhone OS that isn't needed on a mobile device, and iPhone OS has frameworks in it to support the touch and the GUI not found in the desktop version formally called OS X.

any development done to one will benefit the other in the long run.
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wondering if they're going to bring a ton of new features or just more refinements. I hope they're working on spaces
 
Oflife said:
But the concepts behind iPhone OS are far more user centric.

Re other comments on my post, Windows XP is nicer than OS X. And I'm a Mac head. I have a (lovely reliable) Mac Mini, have owned almost every Apple laptop ever made (from Mac Portable to MacBook Pro 15") and have an iPhone 3GS. The iPhone is a joy to use and imposes almost no restrictions on my life, whilst OS X apps crash or freeze daily, I am constantly window managing because unlike XP, there is NO way to size a window to the screen with one click. Makes a huge difference. Etc etc.
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I dont mind XP but Im not going to ever say it compares to OS X. Though there are times I would like to maximize the window to the whole screen so Im not distracted by other windows, I would say this is pretty rare. Also, Expose is probably the most useful UI feature for me, and going to back to XP and the taskbar just kills me. Windows 7 improved it a bit though. Also, the control panel is Windows is way too complicated compared to the Settings panel in OS X.
 
macintel4me said:
Dear Apple, in case you missed it you have $40 billion in the bank. Go hire some more people and train them. It's disturbing from an investor perspective and a fanboy point of view that Apple's management is incapable of scaling up. Obviously, coming up with an updated OS, for both the iPhone and Mac, couldn't have been a real surprise to Apple's upper management. Everything else falls by the way side as Steve focuses on his new hot thing. Very frustrating to all.
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I agree. The problem is that Apple's ultimate concern is the bank not the OS :D
 
Did someone here actually compare XP to OS X ??

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Oflife said:
But the concepts behind iPhone OS are far more user centric.

Re other comments on my post, Windows XP is nicer than OS X. And I'm a Mac head. I have a (lovely reliable) Mac Mini, have owned almost every Apple laptop ever made (from Mac Portable to MacBook Pro 15") and have an iPhone 3GS. The iPhone is a joy to use and imposes almost no restrictions on my life, whilst OS X apps crash or freeze daily, I am constantly window managing because unlike XP, there is NO way to size a window to the screen with one click. Makes a huge difference. Etc etc.
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thanks for the resume, but it doesn't have anything to do with what i was responding to. from your initial posts, it was apparent that you didn't know that iPhone OS and OS X (for desktop) ARE the same OS. iPhone OS was a spin off from OS X in the sense that it didn't need a lot of the stuff that the desktop OS needed, and it also needed some stuff that the desktop didn't need.

the idea of some that OS X and iPhone OS don't already have the same blood is laughable at best. to suggest that either is being developed as a replacement for the other is also silly. if they wanted iPhone OS to be like OS X, then they'd just kill iPhone OS. same goes for OS X becoming like iPhone OS.

that said, as many have said along with me, any development by one will eventually benefit the other. because they are the same OS "genetically" the only thing keeping features of one out of the other are the inherent differences in the hardware each are running on. as desktop computers take on iphone features (touch interface) you'll see the iPhone OS touch framework brought to OS X. when apple sees a need for iPhones/iPods/iPads to be able to print, then you'll see the print services frameworks of OS X get put into iPhone OS.

they won't have to start from scratch with each of these OSes to accomplish this kind of evolution. going back to the original thread and apple "could be" diverting resources from one project to the other, is not a stretch to believe. who better to add desktop class features to iPhone OS than they team working on OS X. this gives uniformity across the two projects, and you don't have two separate teams taking the "genetically" similar OSes in two different directions.
 
Oflife said:
As a human factors guy, and I know a number of people who echo this sentiment, I feel that while OS X may be built on some robust technology (Quartz, QuickTime etc etc), it is a usability nightmare. From accidentally launching docked apps, to constantly re-sizing windows to annoyingly small file select dialogs to a lack of creative 'Microsoft Notes / Courier' like next gen interface technology etc etc. (I know many who MUCH prefer the snappy spacious nature of OS 9 - myself included.) Stability is the only real benefit of OS X.

As I stated on my blog over a year ago, Apple should focus on turning 'iPhone' OS into their primary OS - with tight cloud based architecture and semantic file storage and sharing technology. Using creative apps on iPhone OS is, no matter their initial simplicity, an order of magnitude more intuitive and fun than any OS X equivalent.

I for one would pay big money for a multi-touch 27" 'iMac Touch' with an MS Courier like GUI for spontaneous accurate creativity and productivity.

No matter what Apple have invested in OS X, they have to consider the future. It is just not good enough from a usability angle.

So toast me!
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Nothing is keeping you from OS9 bud! Just hardware so if your computing needs were better there that's says it all IMO! Your not a power user so no problem. OSX needs the attention it deserves... It is Apples baby and they will give it what it needs!
 
Nuvi said:
Please go and stand next to solid, preferably concrete wall. Next, bang your head on it few times and don't hold back... Merge between Mac OS X and iPhone OS would be horrible! Go play with your iToy and let adults continue working with Mac's they love.
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How that would be terrible?

You sounds like those people that will never catch up with modern times.

Everything evolves.
 
kiljoy616 said:
Don't get me started, I use Win7 and it feel like a tacked on UI, all these years and still a folder will not open when I move my mouse over it like Mac does.
Is it so hard to be able to do this. Yes I know Win is Explorer centric bla, bla, bla.
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you open folders just by moving the cursor over it? wtf.. sounds like a nightmare to me...
 
Meh. I'd rather see 10.7 than iPhone OS 4.0. But I guess I'm fine as long as they don't introduce the AppStore for Mac OS X...
 
pgwalsh said:
Yes!!!

I would like to see updates that don't require a restart.
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while i agree with you, i assume you understand why that's not the case now?

i only ask, because there have been many before you who can never grasp the concept of why a Safari update may require a restart but an iPhoto update may not.
 
Bat Commander said:
You're using the wrong OS. You want Windows. If you need all these things, then you do not understand Apple.
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Please elaborate on this. Can you tell us exactly how you understand apple?
Humor me, this is important. Has apple given up and conceded defeat to win7?
Or is apple comparing itself to OS 9 or linux?
How is it then that OS X is quote "the world's most advanced OS" if it's not what a typical end user 'needs'.
 
nkawtg72 said:
while i agree with you, i assume you understand why that's not the case now?

i only ask, because there have been many before you who can never grasp the concept of why a Safari update may require a restart but an iPhoto update may not.
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I'm figuring a kernel or framework update and protecting the OS. I'm sure I heard the reason in the past, but still would like to have it. It's one feature I really like about linux.
 
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