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You really believe anything put in front of you, it seems. Why, in a million years, would Apple fire this ONE guy to avoid a stock payout when they have no problems giving shares to everyone else associated with the company?

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Prove it was promised, besides some random guy who, literally, did a slideshow a couple of times a year, saying he had a closed-door verbal agreement with a dead man. Seriously. And are you honestly claiming that this man's work as so pivotal to Apple as a company that, somehow, NO ONE would be able to do it? And it is the ONLY job he can possibly get? It's not the Mona Lisa for god's sake. But hey, enjoy all that baseless, silly speculation.

You clearly don't have any clue what you are talking about. "Prove it was promised"???? Since when is that a requirement for filing a lawsuit? He doesn't even have to prove it to win, he just has to show that it was more likely than not. Unless CA has some laws against lifetime contracts, then there is nothing frivolous about this case. Could he be lying? Yes, but he might not be.
 
Verbal contracts are legally binding. It's not the guys fault Jobs died. And a company like that would have it down somewhere. This guy wouldn't make such a case against Apple if he didn't have something substantial to base it on.

Nice to see the fanboys taking the side of the company and blast the guy who.. You know.. Made the keynotes announcing all of the greatest products ever. At least give the benefit of the doubt. Jobs would never have an idiot in the upper echelons.

If I'm wrong, fine.

So we have his half the story? What would that verbal contract entertain anyway? You have a job here forever. No matter what. Doesn't matter if you take a s*** on Tim Cook's desk, Steve said you can have a job here forever.

No such thing.

Steve probably said something simple like "Goodrich, you'll always have a job here at Apple." But does that mean no matter what? Where do you draw the line?
 
Hard to call on this one, unless he has proof. Unfortunately Apple is so BIG now that any move they make other then hiring him back makes them look like that bad guy. Cook needs to clean this mess up???
 
You clearly don't have any clue what you are talking about. "Prove it was promised"???? Since when is that a requirement for filing a lawsuit? He doesn't even have to prove it to win, he just has to show that it was more likely than not. Unless CA has some laws against lifetime contracts, then there is nothing frivolous about this case. Could he be lying? Yes, but he might not be.

There are X people who have a written contract with Apple that guarantees lifetime employment. There are Y people who have a verbal contract that guarantees the same. The number X would be found by a court, and you can bet that it is very, very small. I would expect it to be zero. Since such a contract would be very important, it is common sense that the number Y is much smaller.


Hard to call on this one, unless he has proof. Unfortunately Apple is so BIG now that any move they make other then hiring him back makes them look like that bad guy. Cook needs to clean this mess up???

You'd never hire someone back who has been suing you.
 
You think it's frivolous to sue for having your livelihood taken away when you were promised it wouldn't be? Especially Apple firing him for such a stupid and greedy reason as not having to pay his stock out. I'm sorry, but put the fanboyism aside and have some humanity.

Wow, the fanbois keep surprising me! Apple, and its employees, makes some nice products, but they are not Gods.
 
No one should ever promise lifetime job security, no one. If this did happen it is darn near impossible to prove now and I would be surprised if the CEO of a company would say something like that.

It helps to read the content before commenting.

"This express promise by Steve Jobs was consistent with a practice that Steve Jobs had..."
 
What a shame. Poor guy

Apple's reputation is really taking a beating at the moment... Shame on them

I second this, it seems as if apples clean cut reputation is unraveling. Or these types of stories weren't a "hot-topic" in the past. With the continued success, and evolution of the company, it may come under fire for negative situations more often because it's position under the microscope.

I also agree with those of you who mentioned humanity, if this is the real reason he was fired, that greed. Steve would never allow this.
 
Of course ...

If Apple stock were at $98 a share, there would be no no lawsuit.
 
I think the comments here about a verbal contract are missing the point. This guy undoubtedly has a written employment contract with Apple and that agreement undoubtedly says "you agree you are an at-will employee and can be terminated at any time for cause or for no cause" and "you agree that the terms of this agreement cannot be modified except in a writing signed by you and the Apple SVP of HR."

Or similar words.

And, I wonder why he was fired -- what the evidence will show, not what his complaint says. Is it really reasonable to assume Steve Jobs said, or meant: "you will have lifetime employment at Apple no matter what you do and no matter how you perform"?

If he was fired so Apple could avoid giving him some restricted stock, then he should be compensated. But, that claim seems dubious on its face -- Apple would have already taken the expense hit for those shares when they were awarded to him, and the vesting would have cost Apple nada. And, on Apple's balance sheet? This guy has a very steep uphill climb.
 
"Steve Jobs Had a Dream That Was Apple!

This is not it. This is NOT it!"

"Steve Jobs is dead, Maxiumus. We are but shadows and dust, Maximus. Shadows and dust!"
 
This "contract" does not have to be in writing under the statute of frauds because it conceivably could have lasted less than a year. However, that does not mean there are some other employment laws in CA that control in this situation.

The trick is though, that unless it was written down, it's very difficult to establish if it ever existed - especially when the other party involved is dead. We simply do not know what sort of contract existed assuming one existed at all. We have only one person's word here and nobody else to go off of.

Unfortunately we need a "cite please" from this individual and I don't know if he is gong to be able to provide one.

Me personally, I agree with Jim Dalrymple:

Just playing devil’s advocate here, but aren’t things like this said all time? “You’re good, you’ll always have a job here.” Things change.
 
The trick is though, that unless it was written down, it's very difficult to establish if it ever existed - especially when the other party involved is dead. We simply do not know what sort of contract existed assuming one existed at all. We have only one person's word here and nobody else to go off of.

Unfortunately we need a "cite please" from this individual and I don't know if he is gong to be able to provide one.

Me personally, I agree with Jim Dalrymple:

No doubt it is uphill battle, but it is not frivolous like people are yelling about.
 
Prove it in writing.

IANAL, but I think it's a quirk of contract law that technically a contract for "employment for life" as opposed to "employment for X years" doesn't need to be in writing because it could be completed in less than a year (i.e. a person can die before the year is out). That said, it is very difficult to provide proof without witnesses or a written contract, and by default employment is "at will," meaning each party can terminate at any time for just about any reason.

I suspect that this person was shoved aside as part of the new CEO's cleaning house (it happens every time there is a change in CEOs), and he is trying to get back at the company. I doubt that Apple's attorneys wouldn't have dotted their Is and crossed their Ts before letting someone go before restricted stock was about to vest.
 
So we have his half the story? What would that verbal contract entertain anyway? You have a job here forever. No matter what. Doesn't matter if you take a s*** on Tim Cook's desk, Steve said you can have a job here forever.

No such thing.

Steve probably said something simple like "Goodrich, you'll always have a job here at Apple." But does that mean no matter what? Where do you draw the line?

Yes, we only had half the story at the time of writing. But that still didn't stop people calling this guy a thief or whatever. And that's what I was pointing out.
 
here's how lawsuits work, file a lawsuit, settle before it goes to court. This guy, while likely doesn't have a case, will get a settlement offer from Apple to make it go away quickly and quietly.
 
No one should ever promise lifetime job security, no one. If this did happen it is darn near impossible to prove now and I would be surprised if the CEO of a company would say something like that.

Why would you be surprised? If it so hard to prove when it does happen that leaves CEOs free to make it as an empty promise since they wont have to be legally liable for it.
 
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My point was only that in a small company, there is little recourse for unjustly being fired.

And this is true. Worked at a small business where the owner was just like Jobs, almost exactly. He did and said things than made us cringe and got away with it for years and years, never getting murdered, beaten up or sued despite good reasons why this might happen!
 
Nothing new here. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people terminated, released or laid off just months away from retirement so the company doesn't have to pay. It's not unusual at all....especially in these difficult economic times when the job market is bad....companies abuse their employees, take benefits away, reduce pay, don't give raises, extend working hours.

It all changes when times are good again and the job market turns prosperous. That's when they start being nice....offering good pay, benefits, good hours....and start having a company policy of "family values" and "employee wellbeing".....

Then it will eventually change as times get tough....and they'll take all that stuff away...again abusing folks "because they can"....

It's a vicious cycle.....and a fact of life. Just gotta live through the bad times so you can enjoy the good times, rather than using the good times to recover from the bad times.

Nice argument, but it has one flaw: Apple is at its all-time height. The company never did better than now. So there is no excuse. At least not the one that you wrote down.
 
It helps to read the content before commenting.

"This express promise by Steve Jobs was consistent with a practice that Steve Jobs had..."

Oh I read it and again, this is hearsay. People are speaking for a dead man, that's quite easy ... don't you think?
 
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