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Apple's future IS the iPad
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Same difference. iPad allows you to leave your controller at home and just bring the iPad, and you could still play those games, albeit with a less than optimal control interface. Well, provided that the game developers figure out a way to port those games to the iPad -- I have no idea if any of the games you mention have been or can be. If their game play can't be translated to a touch-screen interace, then well, they just aren't meant for a touch screen medium. IMO, if a game can be augmented with the use of a physical controller, then fine, third party companies should feel free to go ahead and develop them -- I'm sure something can be done with Bluetooth. Actually, now that I think of it, some company just announced some kind of game where you use physical playing pieces with an iPad. But basically, multitouch tablets is a new medium, and games (and apps in general) should be developed for this medium, to make best use of its strong points. If you want to play console games, you should stick with game consoles, not try to make multitouch tablets into something they are not.
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This I agree with.
IMO .... Until FULL desktop OS becomes standard on tablets, Laptops/Desktops will always be needed. I expect MS and Apple to create future desktop OS with much of it catered to tablets.
You just outlined the entire benefit of gaming on an Ipad. The fact that ALL you would need to bring with you would be a controller the size of a ps3 or xbox controller, or if you prefer keyboard gaming you could bring a portable keyboard. It has already been proven in other threads that the weight of the ipad + a bluetooth keyboard is still less than a macbook pro.
Who represents the majority of the gaming market that buys consoles? Men aged 18-35; the same age range of people who go to college. A lot of guys that go to college bring a console with them. But who wants to carry a console and a tv and all the peripherals to a friends house to play games so that they dont have split screen? Or while at the dorm, who wants to carry all that stuff down the hall to hang out with friends and play games together.
The Ipad solves that issue. You could put everything you need in a backpack weighing less than 3 pounds and taking up no space at all. Four friends could meet up with their own ipads and sit down and play a fps together. And the great part is, since theres no need to split screen on an ipad, the quality of the graphics dont get compromised like they do when playing split screen on a console.
Using a controller or keyboard/mouse will always be the best way to game. As long as Apple forces people to be limited to the touch screen, they will never seize the gaming market and the majority of games on the Ipad will remain freemium.
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So your basically saying, even though there is the potential to have this amazingly ultra portable reasonably priced gaming device, you would rather just stick to touch screen because darnit that is what the device is designed to do and if we want controllers we should stick to console gaming.
Guess what all star. Innovation is what led to the creation of the Ipad. Innovation is what will lead to the next type of gaming platform. Console gaming is not portable. PC gaming is portable but is signficantly more expensive for quality gaming. The nintendo 3ds and playstation vita exist because companies realize there needs to be an inbetween of console gaming and gaming on your phone. There needs to be a portable gaming device built on a closed system to run the games like a console does.
What we have with the ipad is a closed platform device with a dedicated app store with devlopers who can make games to run optimally on the device. This is the perfect opportunity to be innovative. Choose to stay limited to what your given is a communist idea. Please keep your communist propaganda to yourself.
The iPad might be Apple's future, but it certainly isn't my future. Nor is any other tablet, for that matter.
I write a lot every day, not just human language, but also source code or Windows and Unix shell commands. For that I need a REAL keyboard, not one of those on screen toys that slow me down to almost a grinding halt.
I need a mouse. Navigating in a text edit field with the touch screen is a royal pain.
Believe it or not - I need a mobile device with SERIAL ports. Satellite modems, Cisco and Mikrotik routers and a large amount of other devices that I have to deal with on a daily basis still use com ports. And that is not going to change.
I also need a device that allows me to plugin external storage devices like USB sticks.
I also need a device that grants me access to the file system, because, you know, I need to copy files.
Then I need a device that allows me to run various operating systems - we have all sorts of platforms here and some of the code that I maintain has to run on different platforms. My notebook can do that.
While we're at it, I need a device that allows me to write code on it and that does not rely on a second device to be programmed (iPad <--- Mac).
I also need a device that runs the software that I need to do my job. And that software is not available in any App Store.
And for my private purposes, I need a device that can play all sorts of video formats without hiccups, including MKV files with subtitles. Oh, and I hate playing shooters with a touch interface. I want an Xbox controller or a mouse/keyboard for that. And I need something that can handle an array of external hard disks that are connected via USB, Firewire or Ethernet.
I've tried the iPad at home AND at work for a week and then I sent it back to Apple. For me, it was completely useless and it failed at everything that I wanted to do with it. I couldn't replace a computer back then and it still can't today. It's still a toy for playing Plants vs Zombies or Jelly Defense. It's not a tool for anything that is going on in my life.
So if Apple's future lies in the iPad and its castrated operating system iOS, then I'm pretty sure that it won't be long until I have to move away from their products.
With all the tablet hype that is going most people are forgetting that there is a gigantic market out there where tablets are plain and simple useless - and that market is not going anywhere. If tablets are supposed to become a solution for this market, then they have to become more like... PCs. Just like Asus Transformer.
Steve Jobs himself once said that tablet computers were only "an excuse for rich people to buy a third computer". That's still true. Apple sold millions of third computers over the last two years, and most of them stay at home and serve as eBook readers or couch/bed/toilet web browsers. That's still an achievement from a marketing and sales perspective, but I'm still waiting for the day when tablets actually begin to take over traditional PC tasks and manage to become real PC substitutes.
So far, this entire "Post-PC era" talk is just another marketing bubble and tablets are only solving rather irrelevant, trivial multimedia-related pseudo-problems for people with too much playing money in their hands. The whole situation remembers me of the 1980s when walkmen were -the- gadget that everybody needed to have to be hip.
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If anything, Apple better get with the program because Microsoft has figured out what people want. People want the simplicity of IOS style operating system with the full features of a pc. That is what windows 8 will be. It is designed to be exactly the same whether your on a pc or a tablet. You will be able to do full fledged gaming on both as well as do all your business/school and personal needs on either.
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Umm, not sure where you get your "facts" about "what people want" but I believe that for now the market has spoken quite loudly about what people want. They've purchased iPads in more than droves. More like hoards.
As to whether or not people want what you describe, well, we may never exactly know since there won't be a choice as you point out. W8 will be the same(ish) regardless of physical platform. It will sell by the gazillion because windows is entrenched and thereby has automatic uptake at massive scale.
But, I *will* nonetheless wager that 12 months after W8's release Apple will sell more iPads than the windows world will sell W8 tablets.
If anything, Apple better get with the program because Microsoft has figured out what people want. People want the simplicity of IOS style operating system with the full features of a pc. That is what windows 8 will be. It is designed to be exactly the same whether your on a pc or a tablet. You will be able to do full fledged gaming on both as well as do all your business/school and personal needs on either.
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Umm, not sure where you get your "facts" about "what people want" but I believe that for now the market has spoken quite loudly about what people want. They've purchased iPads in more than droves. More like hoards.
As to whether or not people want what you describe, well, we may never exactly know since there won't be a choice as you point out. W8 will be the same(ish) regardless of physical platform. It will sell by the gazillion because windows is entrenched and thereby has automatic uptake at massive scale.
But, I *will* nonetheless wager that 12 months after W8's release Apple will sell more iPads than the windows world will sell W8 tablets.
look at the app store to see what people want.
1.They want to be able to print easily from their ipads without having to do work arounds using 3rd party apps or being forced to buy a specific printer which enables "Air" printing versus general wifi printers.
2.They want to have file management built into the ipad and apps (only available through 3rd party apps right now)
3. They want to have the ability to save internet pages as pdf's to read later.
4. They want to have full fledged software rather than just a shell of the OSX counterpart.
I challenge you to prove me wrong on any one of these points. Go to the app store and look at what people write for reviews of things like imovie, good reader, print apps, numbers, pages, file managers etc. You will see a common theme which is that people are unsatisfied with the current capabilities of the current IOS and apps on the app store.
Sure people will continue to buy Ipads. I love mac and personally own a macbook air, an Ipad, and an Imac. I love the quality in which they make their products and I also love OSX.
With the way people have been buying up Apple products, Microsoft has taken notice and has designed Windows 8 to be similar to OSX. They have taken it one step further so that there is no tablet version but rather a seamlessly integrated experience. I believe this will be the next step in operating systems and it will force Apple to do the same.
And deciding to stick with you phonograph or reel to reel back then, didn't change a damn thing with regard to the future of portable, digital music that the walkman begin...the "future" isn't personal...
You may never find or feel a need for a tablet...personally since owning one, I can't ever image not having a tablet...the same way I (and millions others) couldn't image not have portable music after buying their first Walkman...I agree my tablet won't replace my PC...I'll always have both...the same way my Walkman, then, or MP3 player, today, hasn't replaced my home stereo system...the walkman didn't need to replace anything to be the "future"...the iPad doesn't need to replace the PC to be the future...
Comparing the Walkman to the iPad is a great comparison, but not in the way I think you meant it to be...
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I am with YOU! If you could also add a full MS Office Suite, I would be in heaven!
While ther is technically not a tablet version, there is an ARM-version of Windows 8. That being the one intended to directly compete with the iPad. And as I've said it won't run any x86 applications.
Only Winni could think a device being like the Walkman is a strike against something. Just because something is popular and desirable doesn't mean it's not also worthwhile (it's like nerds who think likeable people have to be shallow or stupid to balance it out, but this is of course wrong).
Anyway, is this the thread where people pick something the iPad can't do and then say that the iPad needs to do exactly that if it's going to be a real computer that does real work? And maybe we could identify some professional cases where the iPad doesn't work as proof that the iPad is just a toy, sneer, pfah, etc? When the neckbeards finish flexing maybe someone could tell them that their use cases might be intransigent but they will be increasingly marginal. It's like complaining that a smartphone will never replace something else which isn't a smartphone - it's irrelevant. The usage/application space isn't zero-sum, but the time and attention of users is. iPads will do more for a increasing proportion of users' time; the supposed indispensability of 'real' computers doesn't make those computers (or their users) superior, much to their chagrin.
An iPad can't replace a MacBook, but in a group situation like an office, workspace, or home, 4 iPads and a Macbook can replace 5 Macbooks. Extrapolate this to the real world and you'll get it. If you can't write a 300-page technical math manual on an iPad so what? Very few people do that now; very few will do it in the future.
That's about what I'd try. Sure it'd probably be for home only, with the iPad sitting in a keyboard dock or similar setup.
It'd be my (only) computer and all would be well.
[EDIT] Wait, wait. Let me rephrase that: Super Crate Box. On my iPad. With a game pad (yes, yes, at home). And all would be well.[/EDIT]
So close now.
Might actually follow in anthonymoody's footsteps. (perhaps with jailbreak and a latex install, though)
By the way, doesn't the latest version of Android allow for gamepads already? Only have an iOS device myself so I don't how well it works (if at all).
You sound a bit cranky. I loved my Walkman, because I love music. That Walkman was the only way I could conveniently bring my music out of the house.
But I guess I was just trying to be hip.
I'm honestly starting to picture you sitting on your veranda with a blanket over your legs, waving your walking stick at those who pass by, while muttering about "youth today".
Hear, hear. The iPad in its *current* iteration can be a very useful tool and we're only seeing the beginning of whatever paradigm shift we're right in the middle of.
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Nailed it.
It's also the industry's future. Except the also-rans' non-iPad versions suck at the moment, as the Wintel/PC paradigm is slowly crumbling.
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iPad not in YOUR future. Cool story, bro. Duly noted.
As for everyone else *not* in the minority, the writing's on the wall:
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Apple may choose to narrow it's product line down to tablets at some future date. Yet there will continue to be an ongoing need for computers. The number of industries relying on computers seems to be beyond the understanding of those who confine themselves to the Apple way.
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It could also be said Apple is good for entertainment.
For everything else there's Windows. Fast stable & still the OS that most software is written for.
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It could also be said Apple is good for entertainment.
For everything else there's Windows. Fast stable & still the OS that most software is written for.
I wonder if the ipad might go the way of the netbook. Everyone was enchanted by it at first because of its size, but eventually got frustrated with it as its anemic specs meant it couldn't really do anything properly.
I see the ultrabook as a natural progression of the netbook (regardless of whether it really is the case or not), and would like to see a fully functional computer come out of the tablet one day.
I see the ultrabook as a natural progression of the netbook (regardless of whether it really is the case or not), and would like to see a fully functional computer come out of the tablet one day.
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The same could be said of laptops in the late 80's and 90's. I think the laptop form factor will be around for a while, but as things get smaller and more efficient, I can see tablets with peripherals beginning to take their place.
However: the IOS is never going to replace full software in it's current form. At least I hope not.
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The same could be said of laptops in the late 80's and 90's. I think the laptop form factor will be around for a while, but as things get smaller and more efficient, I can see tablets with peripherals beginning to take their place.
However: the IOS is never going to replace full software in it's current form. At least I hope not.
I personally think the future of computing will end up being Microsofts vision, a lightweight tablet you carry around but then plug into a dock when you get home for added power and grunt.
Just walking around in the store and looking at tablets, I felt odd.
Contrary to popular belief, the iPad really is just an oversized phone. It doesn't have the power an efficiency I'm looking for and that most people are looking for. I can't download an app every time I need to do something and not be able to multitask. I wondered why tech enthusiasts are pushing the iPad so hard, but I realized- its all they've got.
I will happily forget about the iPad if W8 gets it right.
Contrary to popular belief, the iPad really is just an oversized phone. It doesn't have the power an efficiency I'm looking for and that most people are looking for. I can't download an app every time I need to do something and not be able to multitask. I wondered why tech enthusiasts are pushing the iPad so hard, but I realized- its all they've got.
I will happily forget about the iPad if W8 gets it right.
I agree with the blog.
The iPad IS the computer of the future. It might morph into something a little different than the iPad, but it is the basis for all future personal computers.
This year the resolution and processor steps up to the plate. Naysayers don't realize the iPad is now going to be as powerful or more-so than a 2004 iMac/low PowerMac. People still use those, btw.
What the iPad needs, and can easily be designed, is an expansive base which becomes the rest of the "iMac" such as a large HD, hub, etc. You tote the iPad about, but it can swap needed info with a larger HD sans the other computer in the mix. You could buy an iPad and use it alone, or get the expansion dock with everything to make it a normal desktop. They could design that now.
Or, if the iPad gets 500GB storage in there, it will be good enough for 95% of the desktop market.
2014/5 it will become the major personal computer. If Apple holds on to the market share, they'll be the major player in all computer sales by 2018.
I'd say about 2 years. Maybe 3. Is that a long, long way? You must be extremely young to think 3 years is a long, long way off.
The iPad IS the computer of the future. It might morph into something a little different than the iPad, but it is the basis for all future personal computers.
This year the resolution and processor steps up to the plate. Naysayers don't realize the iPad is now going to be as powerful or more-so than a 2004 iMac/low PowerMac. People still use those, btw.
What the iPad needs, and can easily be designed, is an expansive base which becomes the rest of the "iMac" such as a large HD, hub, etc. You tote the iPad about, but it can swap needed info with a larger HD sans the other computer in the mix. You could buy an iPad and use it alone, or get the expansion dock with everything to make it a normal desktop. They could design that now.
Or, if the iPad gets 500GB storage in there, it will be good enough for 95% of the desktop market.
2014/5 it will become the major personal computer. If Apple holds on to the market share, they'll be the major player in all computer sales by 2018.
I'd say about 2 years. Maybe 3. Is that a long, long way? You must be extremely young to think 3 years is a long, long way off.
Tablets won't replace laptops.
1. You can't download anything on an iPad
2. The iPad doesn't have all the ports, (can't connect your camera)
3. You can't multitask on the iPad
Most people are going to get a laptop for the simple fact that it's a laptop. So, I don't know what you're talking about.
1. You can't download anything on an iPad
2. The iPad doesn't have all the ports, (can't connect your camera)
3. You can't multitask on the iPad
Most people are going to get a laptop for the simple fact that it's a laptop. So, I don't know what you're talking about.
Hard to say. Me. I just love seeing technology evolve, regardless of what happens. This new era of tablets is very interesting to me if only because it's so Star Trek. Like the phones before (all smartphones), it's neat to see what was science fiction become science fact. Just watching it from the 80s is just a wild ride in itself. (Maybe a few steps forward and we may worry that the TRON experience will come true and we'd get sucked into the computers because someone figured it out. Ok. Joking here.)
Still. One actual useful scene that I've seen just exploding on the iPad is the music scene. Being a composer myself, I love how things are pushing forward. When I first bought my iPad, the first professional thing on my mind was using it for music. Within a short time, I had music in my iPad (easily placed and secured on a music stand) which I could easily flip with my fingers, not worry about pages falling off the stand nor me having to pick them up and rearrange them. Alas that song of 10 pages no longer is a daunting thing to deal with. Putting them in iBooks or a like application I can use bookmarks, too. Very nice. So anybody who knows what DC al Coda and Coda means, already knows how potentially useful that is.
On the other hand, I've been stacking some actual official hardware emulations of electronic musical instruments on the thing. Seriously. The music scene on the iPad is set to blow away the C64 and the Amiga music scene together. In some ways (in particular sound quality) it already does. It's at the point that it's become a true joy to jam out on the thing, producing new and great tracks with even less effort than before yet have enough control to feel like you are commanding new content. But more importantly, the emulation is recreating professional results with a level of fidelity that can be shocking. I'm starting to officially love the electronica and the ability to mix electronica with acoustic on the thing. No studio, just a flat piece of electronics that doesn't even weight 2 pounds.
Will it take over? Don't see that happening across the fold. It can take the market for casual use and certain content creation functions said program on iPad does support. But then again, you can't do everything with a file or data made with the iPad (inherently) like a computer can. Those can share files in all the ways they want regardless of whether the program that produced the content allows it. (The non-program aspect of sharing is possible, but it requires being connected to a laptop to get the files off and on the unit) There's still too much laptops have over it, and most of them stem from what they have which isn't wanted on a tablet. A tablet is meant to be a small device. Held in your hand. Not tethered or dangled with a bunch of hardware hanging off of it. A laptop is free to use ports and plenty of connections because it is meant to sit there upon use. Not being held up by you. Not to mention, anything bigger still allows for more power.
If you want to make movies or music that requires you to do the studio thing. Bigger production stuff, and plenty of proper filter and external hardware interfaces, you need the computer. I'm just fascinated in that you could produce some fantastic music results (of lesser external necessities) on the thing rather easily. It's past the point where the exported product sounds like casual toy stuff. Now it's stuff you can actually use as background music for a film or something, and many wouldn't be the wiser it was made on iPad. I'm not pushing an orchestra through like I would do in Logic Pro or Pro tools. Then again, not all music needs to.
Still. One actual useful scene that I've seen just exploding on the iPad is the music scene. Being a composer myself, I love how things are pushing forward. When I first bought my iPad, the first professional thing on my mind was using it for music. Within a short time, I had music in my iPad (easily placed and secured on a music stand) which I could easily flip with my fingers, not worry about pages falling off the stand nor me having to pick them up and rearrange them. Alas that song of 10 pages no longer is a daunting thing to deal with. Putting them in iBooks or a like application I can use bookmarks, too. Very nice. So anybody who knows what DC al Coda and Coda means, already knows how potentially useful that is.
On the other hand, I've been stacking some actual official hardware emulations of electronic musical instruments on the thing. Seriously. The music scene on the iPad is set to blow away the C64 and the Amiga music scene together. In some ways (in particular sound quality) it already does. It's at the point that it's become a true joy to jam out on the thing, producing new and great tracks with even less effort than before yet have enough control to feel like you are commanding new content. But more importantly, the emulation is recreating professional results with a level of fidelity that can be shocking. I'm starting to officially love the electronica and the ability to mix electronica with acoustic on the thing. No studio, just a flat piece of electronics that doesn't even weight 2 pounds.
Will it take over? Don't see that happening across the fold. It can take the market for casual use and certain content creation functions said program on iPad does support. But then again, you can't do everything with a file or data made with the iPad (inherently) like a computer can. Those can share files in all the ways they want regardless of whether the program that produced the content allows it. (The non-program aspect of sharing is possible, but it requires being connected to a laptop to get the files off and on the unit) There's still too much laptops have over it, and most of them stem from what they have which isn't wanted on a tablet. A tablet is meant to be a small device. Held in your hand. Not tethered or dangled with a bunch of hardware hanging off of it. A laptop is free to use ports and plenty of connections because it is meant to sit there upon use. Not being held up by you. Not to mention, anything bigger still allows for more power.
If you want to make movies or music that requires you to do the studio thing. Bigger production stuff, and plenty of proper filter and external hardware interfaces, you need the computer. I'm just fascinated in that you could produce some fantastic music results (of lesser external necessities) on the thing rather easily. It's past the point where the exported product sounds like casual toy stuff. Now it's stuff you can actually use as background music for a film or something, and many wouldn't be the wiser it was made on iPad. I'm not pushing an orchestra through like I would do in Logic Pro or Pro tools. Then again, not all music needs to.
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Of course you can. There are tons of apps for that.
Where are you getting this from? You most certainly can connect cameras, and grab photos directly from cameras or SD cards. I'm not sure what you mean by this.
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/11/24/multitasking-on-your-ipad-a-quick-guide/
You really need to re-examine your use of "most people."
Apple sold 32 million iPads during their fiscal 2011.
Apple already sold around half that number in this past single quarter alone.
Perspective.
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