What I dislike about the dock in iOS/iPadOS is that it does not dynamically change size or disappear if no apps or folders as docked. Plus it would be nice to make it transparent.
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Apple's Greg Joswiak: No Plans to Merge Mac and iPad
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It’s a feature that will eventually come to all Mac products and maybe even iPhone.
Darth Tulhu
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In the same way a Ram Pickup and a Dodge Charger both have a Hemi and ride on roads.
The more they say it the more true it becomes. Tim Apple must think we are all dumb.
Phil Schiller is not going to admit that while in laptop mode people as in MagicKB case people mainly use the KB and TrackPad and briefly reach to touch the screen for some onscreen input. No body in their sane mind types up word documents with the onscreen keyboard as it’s designed for quick data entry. Some have done it as a proof of concept but it’s not comfortable.
It's obvious they want to make it easy for someone who has an iPhone to easily jump off their iPhone and use a Mac seamlessly. It should be obvious to you.
They always say this, but I see the obvious. The kernels of all the operating systems will become the same: macOS, iOS, iPadOS, tvOS, watchOS. They already told as much when all started using the same file system: APFS. What will remain the same is the user experience which will be different for each device.
Ultimately though, iOS will need to become more robust as the hardware becomes more mature. At the same time, I don’t want iPadOS to lose its simplicity, which is what makes it so great to use. I think when we get too deep into multi-tasking, desktop OS paradigm, it starts to complicate things.
Ultimately though, iOS will need to become more robust as the hardware becomes more mature. At the same time, I don’t want iPadOS to lose its simplicity, which is what makes it so great to use. I think when we get too deep into multi-tasking, desktop OS paradigm, it starts to complicate things.
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Really?
Can we:
- Open several apps/windows at same time and resize them on the screen the way we want?
- Output to a TV/monitor in extended mode? https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202351
- Run HandBrake on iPad? https://handbrake.fr/
- Run command line Terminal apps on iPad?
- Format an external HDD on iPad?
- Open a new Files window just by clicking CMD N like we do on Finder?
- Open the Info Window of several files at same time on Files like we do on Finder?
- Set a default app to open all files of a specific file extension on Files like we do on Finder?
- See and change the file extension of a file on Files?
- Put files/folders on the desktop (Home Screen)?
- etc
The list is huge...
Not to mention that some Mac apps like TextEdit are not available on iPad.
Sorry, but when I want a real productive machine, or when I want to use native Apple apps (I don't want to trust in third-party apps), I have to go to my Mac, and I don't think iPadOS 15 will change that much.
HAH!!!
I haven't consumed enough alcohol tonight to even come close to believing that statement.
They BOTH use the same chips. They BOTH run an OS that is based on the same 'core'.
I don't believe his statement. They WANT the iMac to be an iPad. It's practically an iPad with a stand, more so than at any other time in, well, history.
The iMac is based on a notebook design. It was something that Intel was marketing YEARS ago. Make a motherboard that could 'go both ways'. Both a potentially beefier 'desktop' installation, and a 'cooler' notebook installation OF THE SAME MOTHERBOARD. Intel never, though we bowed out sometime before they might have introduced a product, introduced a 'desktop/notebook motherboard'. The idea that desktop and notebook systems *should* be based on the same roots is insane to me. On one, you are chasing performance, and on the other, you are chasing heat.
Sure, it would be 'cheaper' to have 'one board to rule them, one board to bind them', but you are talking about two different concepts. No one takes their desktop on a transcon flight. It would even be cheaper to have one OS to run on both systems, but at some point people are going to do what people did with Windows 8. Windows 8 SUCKED. It was a disgrace, and an embarrassment. It was the ultimate middle finger for power users. We had clients that said they would drop us as a supplier of we even brought Windows 8 onto their property.
So, Apple, get a clue. Everyone knows you are trying to force the tablet on the desktop idea, and even though you deny it, you really are in danger of losing any credibility you might have left.
Abandon the idea NOW! Stop trying to make square pegs fit round holes. Just stop...
I haven't consumed enough alcohol tonight to even come close to believing that statement.
They BOTH use the same chips. They BOTH run an OS that is based on the same 'core'.
I don't believe his statement. They WANT the iMac to be an iPad. It's practically an iPad with a stand, more so than at any other time in, well, history.
The iMac is based on a notebook design. It was something that Intel was marketing YEARS ago. Make a motherboard that could 'go both ways'. Both a potentially beefier 'desktop' installation, and a 'cooler' notebook installation OF THE SAME MOTHERBOARD. Intel never, though we bowed out sometime before they might have introduced a product, introduced a 'desktop/notebook motherboard'. The idea that desktop and notebook systems *should* be based on the same roots is insane to me. On one, you are chasing performance, and on the other, you are chasing heat.
Sure, it would be 'cheaper' to have 'one board to rule them, one board to bind them', but you are talking about two different concepts. No one takes their desktop on a transcon flight. It would even be cheaper to have one OS to run on both systems, but at some point people are going to do what people did with Windows 8. Windows 8 SUCKED. It was a disgrace, and an embarrassment. It was the ultimate middle finger for power users. We had clients that said they would drop us as a supplier of we even brought Windows 8 onto their property.
So, Apple, get a clue. Everyone knows you are trying to force the tablet on the desktop idea, and even though you deny it, you really are in danger of losing any credibility you might have left.
Abandon the idea NOW! Stop trying to make square pegs fit round holes. Just stop...
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LMAO, this from a forum poster. Telling a 2 trillion dollar company how to run their business. That's rich! 🙄
Its one of the reason's I can't see Apple every fully merging the two lines; iPadOS works brilliantly as a tablet OS; its simple; and effective and relatively good using the keyboard and trackpad now although multi-tasking remains a bit of a pain (and file management).
I can't see Apple ever delivering the full multi-tasking experience that exists in MacOS, Windows and even ChromeOS; they still want to make people buy a second device (Macbook) if they want that experience and frankly who can blame them? Enough people own both devices.
That language "there's no plans" always makes me pause. Twice the places I worked at were rumoured to be sold (and then they'd clean house of all employees if sold) so I'd ask the owner if the place was for sale. Both cases they said the same thing, "There's no plan to sell right now". Then a month later the place would be sold. It's the wording.
Apple earlier this week introduced refreshed 11 and 12.9-inch iPad Pro models with few external changes but one notable internal change - the introduction of the same M1 chip that was also used in the MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, and Mac mini refreshes back in November.
Apple marketing chief Greg Joswiak and hardware chief John Ternus this week did an interview with The Independent to talk about the new tablets. The use of an M1 chip in an iPad naturally has led to speculation about the merging of the iPad and Mac lineups, a topic that resurfaces over and over again, but Joswiak says that's not the goal.
Rather than merging the two product lines, he claims that Apple is just trying to make the best products in their respective categories.Ternus added that Apple doesn't aim to limit one device in order to avoid impacting another device. "We're pushing to make the best Mac we can make; we're pushing to make the best iPad we can make," said Ternus.
Apple plans to keep making both products better and is not going to "get all caught up in" theories of "merging or anything like that."
The new iPad Pro models arguably have more power than is necessary for a tablet that does not have the option of pro software like Final Cut Pro, but Ternus and Joswiak declined to comment on software that might be coming in the future. Joswiak instead said that the extra performance gives developers more space to find new ways to expand their apps. "Our developers are pretty quick about taking advantage," he said. "It isn't like it languishes for years."
He also said that it's great for customers to know that they can buy a system "that still has headroom" and won't be "immediately obsolete." As an explanation for why Apple opted for the M1 chip over an A-series chip, Ternus said that the best Apple silicon has "always gone into the iPad Pro," and right now, the M1 is "is the best" Apple silicon Apple has available.
The two also commented on the 12.9-inch iPad Pro's new mini-LED display, which is the highest quality display that's been used in an iPad to date and rivals the Pro Display XDR. Ternus said that shrinking it was a "huge undertaking" that required more LEDs because of the size constraints.
Apple added one other new feature to the iPad Pro -- an Ultra Wide front-facing camera with a new "Center Stage" feature that's designed to allow you to stay in frame while moving about a room. Ternus said that it's "liberating" to be able to move around, and it's also useful for FaceTiming with large groups.
Joswiak and Ternus's full interview contains additional tidbits about the new iPad Pro models, and it can be read over at The Independent.
Article Link: Apple's Greg Joswiak: No Plans to Merge Mac and iPad
Yeah that's like a guy talking smack about his step-sister, when we all know what he has in mind.
Darth Tulhu
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This subject and thread is devolving into conspiracy theories more and more. Given the state of things in the US up to and beyond recent events in D.C., this is not a surprise.
It won't matter how many times Apple clears this up, they won't be able to flush the idea out of people's mind once it has been made up.
I'm just glad that Joswiak's and Federighi's statements match what I want from Apple: the best, most capable devices for each of their categories.
The Mac is best with keyboard & mouse (although I prefer trackpads). Don't understand why the F would ANYONE want to have to lift their arms to touch the tiny-ass elements on the screen.
The iPad is best with touch, but Apple understood that some APPS are BETTER with precision, so they ADDED that functionality to the OS WITHOUT compromising what makes iPadOS the best finger-based OS.
All this said, I think WWDC this year will be a kick in the balls: Final Cut Pro for iPad, XCode for iPad, just for starters. I hope it blows the doors off everyone's minds and finally puts this issue to rest.
But I know it can't. Conspiracies just. Don't. Die.
Evidence (or lack thereof) be damned.
It won't matter how many times Apple clears this up, they won't be able to flush the idea out of people's mind once it has been made up.
I'm just glad that Joswiak's and Federighi's statements match what I want from Apple: the best, most capable devices for each of their categories.
The Mac is best with keyboard & mouse (although I prefer trackpads). Don't understand why the F would ANYONE want to have to lift their arms to touch the tiny-ass elements on the screen.
The iPad is best with touch, but Apple understood that some APPS are BETTER with precision, so they ADDED that functionality to the OS WITHOUT compromising what makes iPadOS the best finger-based OS.
All this said, I think WWDC this year will be a kick in the balls: Final Cut Pro for iPad, XCode for iPad, just for starters. I hope it blows the doors off everyone's minds and finally puts this issue to rest.
But I know it can't. Conspiracies just. Don't. Die.
Evidence (or lack thereof) be damned.
Darth Tulhu
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If these people could do everything on iPadOS that they wanted, there wouldn't be any conspiracies
For myself, I don't think Apple will ever ship an iPad with Mac OS pre-installed (nor do I think they should). I'd love some dual-boot action for "docked mode" to tide me over until iPadOS matures some more (however many years that takes...), but I am not holding my breath for that either.
I prefer the 2 devices to be the best they can be. For example I use my tablet as a co device to my desktop / laptop. The only occasion I can think of where it would be better for me to have a 2in1 are the times I am sat at the dining table at home for an hour or so working. All other times I am hooked up to a monitor for productivity, and the ipad is right next to me.
Many times I have considered a surface book, and went through how I actually work, and realised the above was true.
Everyone works differently though and my partner is just about to get a SB3 from work, so will have a look at it further. No doubt she will only use the tablet for drawing markups in Bluebeam, which is a great use for it. But give me an ipad any day of the week for fast ideation.
Many times I have considered a surface book, and went through how I actually work, and realised the above was true.
Everyone works differently though and my partner is just about to get a SB3 from work, so will have a look at it further. No doubt she will only use the tablet for drawing markups in Bluebeam, which is a great use for it. But give me an ipad any day of the week for fast ideation.