Apple's Greg Joswiak Says Touch ID Will 'Continue to Have a Role'

[Mactendo]

Kinda of a nonsensical response on your behalf, being Touch ID was [And Still is] successful. You can project all you want about something that’s never come to fruition with ‘Voice ID’ , Touch ID was the standard for years for biometric security. Touch ID hasn’t proven unreliable at all, is it perfect?. No, but neither is Face ID. Using any type of voice recognition, there’s far too many variables that would be affecting something of that nature versus something touch ID with a fingerprint. Not everybody lives in a cold climate for one, but _everybody_ has the opportunity where they can lose their voice and/or where the environment could be proven to be too loud with ambient noise from being in the car/in public to make it reliable, etc, where it’s to inconsistent. Your ‘Voice Idea’, is well, not relevant to Touch ID in the slightest. But I’ll let it slide.

The response was just copying your nonsensical argumentation. I can do it again: Not everybody lives in a loud place for one, but _everybody_ get their hands wet or dirty many times a day.

There are many variables that could affect any recognition, touch/face/voice/etc. It doesn’t mean such recognition can’t be useful especially as one of the additional ways of identification (which is what Apple is going to do by combining Face ID with Touch ID), not to mention there’s always a password which can be typed.

I have nothing against Touch ID by the way, in case you’re defending it. At first, the Voice ID idea was a joke but now I see that such recognition can be actually useful, especially in a case when a user could set a password or a phrase only he knows and only his voice speaking his password could unlock his phone. Quite secure solution actually.
More secure than a fingerprint or face which can be used to unlock the device even if his owner is unconscious or dead, or it can be easily forced by someone (authorities) by placing a user’s finger on a button or his face against the camera.

I’m pretty sure Voice ID will be an option one day, if not on iPhone then on some other phones.

It’s relevant to Touch ID just as Face ID or any other way of user identification.

 

[hydropsyche]

My company hasn't approved Face ID because of the security risk. Apple, go to hades. Luckily, SIRI is so bad now that I don't even want to purchase a new phone. When I broke my Iwatch I didn't buy a new one since SIRI is so pathetic now.

 

[LizKat]

Funny Touch ID failed me way more then Face ID ever does. Wet fingers, dirt on fingers, gloves etc touch id has major flaws and has a long way to go. If both are on a future iPhone then everyone will be happy

TouchID is ok in summertime for me, in winter my hands get chapped from forgetting to wear gloves just going out to the mailbox... a week into winter and I'm a stranger to my SE.

 

[44267547]

the Voice ID idea was a joke but now I see that such recognition can be actually useful, especially in a case when a user could set a password or a phrase only he knows and only his voice speaking his password could unlock his phone. Quite secure solution actually.

Bolded: Yeah...because what could possibly go wrong with that scenario? You honestly believe a user would be comfortable speaking their password into their phone in a public place, let alone around those who may intentionally be listening? Definitely not. There’s a reason why _none_ of the major tech suppliers are not offering this technology, because it’s a not secure, and quite frankly, a terrible idea.

Lastly, if it’s such a ‘secure solution’ as you worded it, please, can you logically explain why the highest paid engineers in the world working for Apple haven’t considered this technology given its potential vulnerabilities [Let alone, any other smart phone manufacturer].

 

[Wide opeN]

It’s nice to not have to keep touching my iPhone to stop the display dimming when I’m reading something. Face ID checks to see if I’m still using it and keeps the screen lit. Touch ID can’t do that.

Best post ever. Lot's of factoid's here!!! Love it!!!

 

[pika2000]

I'm starting to like the under display optical fingerprint sensor used on my Huawei P30. It's fast, and quire reliable with only few misreads.

Apple still uses TouchID in many products, and it has certain advantages over FaceID. Eg. you can register more than one finger (even other users) in situations where you want more than one users to have access to the same iDevice (because Apple just don't want to give us multiple user account support on iOS). Cannot do this with FaceID, other than telling the second user the PIN code (and reducing the accuracy of FaceID for the 1st user)
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It’s nice to not have to keep touching my iPhone to stop the display dimming when I’m reading something. Face ID checks to see if I’m still using it and keeps the screen lit. Touch ID can’t do that.

To be fair, there are Android phones that have this feature without having the FaceID tech. I mean technically Apple can just use the front facing camera to detect if the user is still reading the screen.

 

[Mactendo]

Bolded: Yeah...because what could possibly go wrong with that scenario? You honestly believe a user would be comfortable speaking their password into their phone in a public place, let alone around those who may intentionally be listening? Definitely not. There’s a reason why _none_ of the major tech suppliers are not offering this technology, because it’s a not secure, and quite frankly, a terrible idea.

Lastly, if it’s such a ‘secure solution’ as you worded it, please, can you logically explain why the highest paid engineers in the world working for Apple haven’t considered this technology given its potential vulnerabilities [Let alone, any other smart phone manufacturer].

It’s like unlocking a phone with your face in a public place. Everyone see your face but it doesn’t help them to unlock your phone (unless they force you). Voice ID will identify the voice in the first place. It doesn’t even need a password. Or the password can be a generic ‘Siri, unlock the phone’. Or you can just ask it to open a specific app right from the lock screen and knowing your voice it’ll do it without requiring any password or any other form of ID.

But if it does have a custom password set then without your voice it’ll be impossible to unlock it even knowing the password.

Also with voice there’re possibilities of multiple level security. You can use just voice commands for general usage and use a password to unlock some sensitive data or hidden apps or make a ‘full unlock’ when you’re alone. With Face ID that’s impossible, a person have just one face. It’s either locked or fully unlocked. With fingerprints it’s kind of difficult so it’s not supported. With voice it’ll be easier.

Face ID can supplement it by tracking user attention and locking device when needed. All of that will work best in combination.

It all depends on the quality of recognition. Voice recognition is much more difficult than fingerprint scanning and face scanning too. So the tech may not be there yet for the mass market. It’s like asking in 2009 why none of the tech suppliers were offering a fingerprint scanner in a phone if it was that great. One day they will. 10 years ago (iPhone 3GS) fingerprint scanner in a phone looked like some far future tech. And no one even dreamed of the face recognition. And here we are. In another 10 years phones will do some things we don’t even think of today.

 

[Abazigal]

I think Apple will incorporate both in the future phones and I'm all for that.

I do read some comments here that some ppl don't want TouchID to come back (even if FaceID stays), a stance that I don't quite understand - wouldn't you rather have 2 options than 1 and use whatever works best for you (TouchId or FaceID) when you want it to?

I guess all other things equal, more options would be better than fewer, but it just doesn't make sense (to me) to include both.

For one, I think people misinterpret FaceID. The idea isn't to spend time analyzing how it works or whether it's slower than TouchID or not. The idea is that it blurs the perception of needing authentication at all to unlock your phone.I think what Apple was going for was using FaceID to take care of all the security stuff behind the scenes so you don't have too. It removes having to think about authenticating to access something because faceID has already detected that it is you. What you're left with is a phone that is as easy to access as one without a passcode. No longer do you have to go through security checks because it is all done automatically.

Second, let's look at the possible scenarios on a phone with both touch-ID and face-ID.

1) Consumer uses touch-ID and disables Face-ID, because that's what he is familiar with. Face-ID goes unused (and wasted). Apple has also claimed that Face-ID is supposedly more secure than touch-ID, meaning that their iPhones are not as secure as they otherwise could have been.

2) Consumer uses Face-ID and disables touch-ID. Touch-ID goes unused (and wasted).

3) Consumer uses both. In theory, this would give you the most secure option. However, it seems to go against the whole intent of Face-ID (which is to make security more seamless).

Third, I also suspect that Apple is going all-in on Face-ID because the tech behind it will be used in their AR glasses as a means of navigating the interface (together with Siri).

Lastly, Apple has never been about giving users the most options or the most features in their product. So it's so much that I don't want a product to feature both Touch ID and Face ID, but more that I just don't see Apple doing so because it would run counter to many of their design tenets.

But with Jony Ive leaving Apple, who knows.

 

[I7guy]

Wet hands aren't a problem for ultrasonic fingerprint scanners which Apple might also "invent" in the future

Like Apple invented the cell phone?

Police can open your phone by pointing it at your face whereas they would need a warrant to use your fingerprint.

They can also force you to open you phone with Touch ID if we’re talking illegal search and seizure.

...Apple have updated that statement.

"What happens on your iPhone gets transcribed and sent to an employee to read even if you deny us permission to use your Siri requests."

The statement reads unlike other companies you can opt out of human Siri transcription...

 

[mwd25]

Funny Touch ID failed me way more then Face ID ever does. Wet fingers, dirt on fingers, gloves etc touch id has major flaws and has a long way to go. If both are on a future iPhone then everyone will be happy

Agree. I was someone vehemently opposed to Face ID. I mean I HATED IT. It almost affected what phone I bought. I ended up getting the XS max and am so glad I did. I calls em like i sees em and I can admit I was dead wrong about Face ID. For the most part I was worried that when my phone is in car holder, I stop for gas, get back in car.....and now I have to unlock phone. With touch id I could just rest my finger on it and boom, unlocked. I "thought" I would have to remove phone from holder, point it at my face, unlock, return to holder.....ughh. Well, turns out face id is way easier, even in the dark. My girlfriend has touch, i have face on phone and touch on Ipad. I LOVE Face id now. So im glad they are bringing it back, but damn, Im glad Im not running Apple. I would have shut that **** down and said, until we can have touch on full screen phone that we continue having bezels. And I would have been wrong.

 

[Tech198]

It's easy to cite older models but that was 2017,, this is 2019.. and while older models of iPhone, they won't be round forever.

It's like walking a tight-rope... By telling you fibs, Apple reckons no one knows until THEY tell you when it's time. (while everyone else on the floor is waiting for you to fall)

 

[TheFluffyDuck]

For me the biggest surprise is that with FaceID now front and foremost, it is not what is used for computers, but TouchID is.

 

[Rygaard]

Having used Face Id for 1 year, I can tell you i miss fingerprint reader option ALOT
1) it even works with sunglasses, well not when out in the sun, witch is where you normaly wear them, inside, yes just fine
2) in bed, want to set alarm, lift up phone and glare at it, .. nothing.. since 1/2 of face is on pillow
3) its cold and windy... have my hod up.. guess what.. nothing . (and i know fingerprint dont work through gloves, but dont have that on yet)

and then there is the problem where it unlocks phone when you dont want to .. because you looked at it... -.-

Apple's vice president of product marketing Greg Joswiak recently spoke with the UK's Daily Express about the future of its biometric authentication systems, noting that while Face ID will be expanded to more devices over time, Touch ID will "continue to have a role" for the foreseeable future.

"Certainly, we'll continue to put it on more devices but also Touch ID will continue to have a role - it's a great technology on our iPad lineup and we don't see it going away anytime soon," said Joswiak.

While the latest iPad Pro models are equipped with the more-expensive Face ID system, lower-end iPad, iPad Air, and iPad mini models still have Touch ID home buttons to keep costs down, and that will likely remain the case for years. Touch ID is also built into recent MacBook Pro and MacBook Air models.

As for the iPhone, Apple continues to sell older iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 models with Touch ID, but it has not introduced a new iPhone with fingerprint authentication since 2017. The upcoming iPhone 11 models are expected to stick with Face ID, which Apple says has been made 30 percent faster in iOS 13.

Looking ahead, multiple reports have claimed that Apple plans to release an iPhone with both Face ID and an under-display fingerprint scanner in 2020 or 2021. The under-display option could certainly be given a new name, however, to distinguish it from traditional Touch ID with a home button.

Article Link: Apple's Greg Joswiak Says Touch ID Will 'Continue to Have a Role'

 

[zeesix]

Funny Touch ID failed me way more then Face ID ever does. Wet fingers, dirt on fingers, gloves etc touch id has major flaws and has a long way to go. If both are on a future iPhone then everyone will be happy

So once the phone is unlocked how do you use it with wet hands and dirt, mud, whatever? The touchscreen also doesn’t work properly in those cases. Same with gloves unless you get special ones.

Anyway, I’m all for gave both.

 

[Minamoto]

To me it's more about places that you have to tape all your lens, such as controlled areas that you can't use FaceID at all. If Apple ever wants to go back to industries but not just consumer market (which I think that's what they are trying to do with the new Mac Pro), these are the countermeasures they need to address.

 

[RTWG]

You don’t Know how Apple Pay works then authenticate then authorize

Yeah that's what I learnt to do.