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Here's a scoop. Apple never intended to make a HomePod with a ridiculous screen in it as Apple would never be that stupid.
Yeah, because why would you want a recipie's instructions on a screen in the kitchen or to see the 5 day forecast in the living room or be able to scroll through those types of things? Yep, only a total moron would want that. Dude, you've obviously never used these before. SMH.
I dont need it to be a home cinema personally, I’d even be fine with lower quality speaker than the hp mini, I just want the mic and siri response integrated properly into my atv :)
Honestly, even with the lower price, the ATV is still overpriced and a microphone should be in it and not just the remote. Kind of like the Amazon cube.
Infinite R&D spend isn't good either. Just ask Xerox.
This should be a pretty light R&D investment. We're talking about slapping a touch screen on a speaker - with some software to surface visual results (which Siri allegedly can do already but sucks at) but this is Apple. They'll try to charge $500 for something that is a half-assed less functional iPad that does less than the often on sale for $50 Echo Show or Google Nest with the brain damaged Siri at the helm.
 
All this supposed cost cutting yet customers won’t see any of it.

We already saw some with them removing the SIM slot in the US.

I *hope* but kind of doubt that they will scale back on junk like this and focus on making their core products better. They are clearly too distracted lately.
 
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Interesting that they used "...appearance of stability..." meaning that it will have no real effect, but they are going to do it anyway.
 
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Apple would be a $5T company if it weren’t for these pesky expensive customers wanting stuff.

People who truly care about APPLE, as a culture, a community, should be really concerned. By my count, Apple hasn’t shipped anything innovative since the AirPods Pro, and even they’re now stagnant. The only other “innovative” tech was Apple Silicon, and even that is now on a rocky, delayed path. OS development is a literal sh it show. Going back before the AirPods, Apple hasn’t done anything “new” since the original HomePod, and that’s even a stretch. (Since competitors had been doing smart speakers much more affordably (Amazon) or more broadly (Sonos).) 5 years of garbage MacBooks, and the iMac chassis hasn’t significantly changed in 15 years… Tim Cook has been a disaster; makes money, but little else.

(Before you downvote me or start typing out a snarky post to refute me, just think on one perfect example: 40 years ago, the auto industry—led by the nascent, hungry Japanese manufacturers—learned how part interchangeability could significantly drive down costs while also significantly ramping updatability. Reusing something as simple as a great door handle design was “innovative” and drove the Japanese car revolution. Apple can’t even see fit to interchange motherboards between the Mac mini and iMac, or iPhone and iPad, in order to effectively ship yearly bumps. Ever. Even the batteries have changed year-over-year in similar devices. And Cook is supposed to be a “supply chain expert”. Uh huh. Apple has burnt $BILLIONS on re-tooling, and most of their products end up in landfills within 5 years. This isn’t a good thing. There is ZERO REASON Apple should be unable to release an entire ecosystem of “HomePod” devices at this point. With their eyes closed. But… instead… we got a re-hashed, over-priced HomePod based on a concept that nobody wanted the first time around. Their failure of creativity at scale is stunning.)

Why can't I like a post twice! The other thought I had about this whole things is, even though this is a definite where-the-puck-was 5 years ago device, it seems like they would make a lot more money selling this than $3,000 ski mask VR goggles. It would be a good impulse buy for anyone in the ecosystem vs something with no real use-case yet.
 
Wait - whose OS would you rather have than Apple's on your devices?
Software can be bad, without preferring someone else's software that is worse. Maybe study about Logic would help. Although it was the most hated class when I went to school. It seems nobody really understands logic today.
 
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I’m just not sure why I would want a HomePod with a screen. So I could see as well as hear Siri’s sub-par responses? FaceTime sure but who wants a FaceTime camera that stays plugged into a wall outlet and you can’t move?
Since this is just a rumor, I have to wonder if it's really "a HomePod with a screen" or if that's just someone's interpretation based on limited info. And then they pile on some half-baked rendering that may have zero to do with the actual thing (if it even exists).

My guess is that a screen/speaker combo would be a dedicated FaceTime device that also plays audio and takes instructions via Siri. But who knows! Could have a health focus for all we know, tied in to the Fitness app. Could be a shared family type device that's tied into everyone's Apple IDs and functions like a "house phone".
 
A HomePod depicting a FaceTime call as in this mock does not seem practical one bit for numerous reasons.

Save the horrendous mock up.... you do realize that Amazon and Google have sold tens of millions of these - even Facebook with the lesser portal. It's practical for grandma who needs some easy way to sit on the couch and Face Time the grandkids. Would I use it for that purpose when I can use my phone, Mac, or iPad? No.... but if I were cooking in the kitchen where I use a similar device for recipies and someone called me, it would add more value to owning the device in those types of moments. Have you ever tried to talk to someone while cooking? Its an easy multitasking affair till its not. A nice feature Apple could add easily is simply answering a phone call from your iPhone even if it's not video.

You are the Henry Ford example of when asked why he invented the first car, "If I asked people what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse."

It's totally practical for numerous reasons in certain environments, situations, and with specific audiences. But thanks for speaking for the world.
 
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Delayed... another apple product delayed... translates as we aren't selling enough crap so here is a teaser you can't have... We will release when current stocks deplete. Apple releases all the low end entry level crap and make everyone wait for a real machine. Long waits.
 
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I find this odd: cut R&D to help save costs now; ignore what revenues could come from the results of said cost cutting.

I’m not going to comment on the huge stash of cash Apple has as I don’t know their expenses or other allocations for that money. Cutting R&D, however, is nearly always bad.
I can’t believe you have down votes on this. Must be the bean counters. 😄
 
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I think this is a fake scent trail to throw off competitive research, and not a real product in the pipeline.
Or…analysts like Gurman and Cho have absolutely no mechanism to hold them accountable for their tea leaves reading. They can go from “delayed” to “cancelled” on any product they want and because there’s no way to check their work no one can call them for it.
 
I said it before lol, but I’ll say it again.

Why can’t something be delayed internally? If Apple planned to release it this year and can’t/won’t, then it’s still a delay even though it wasn’t announced publicly.

These rumors are oftentimes founded and aren’t pulled out of thin air. Not every single delay article or product rumor is fake…

it’s a tree that may or may not be falling in a forest you’ll never have a chance to visit. That’s why.

it’s rumor site grist.
 
We already saw some with them removing the SIM slot in the US.

I *hope* but kind of doubt that they will scale back on junk like this and focus on making their core products better. They are clearly too distracted lately.
So in your opinion Apple can't multitask, like add emoji and fix bugs because the same person is doing both?
 
Apple would be a $5T company if it weren’t for these pesky expensive customers wanting stuff.

People who truly care about APPLE, as a culture, a community, should be really concerned. By my count, Apple hasn’t shipped anything innovative since the AirPods Pro, and even they’re now stagnant. The only other “innovative” tech was Apple Silicon, and even that is now on a rocky, delayed path. OS development is a literal sh it show. Going back before the AirPods, Apple hasn’t done anything “new” since the original HomePod, and that’s even a stretch. (Since competitors had been doing smart speakers much more affordably (Amazon) or more broadly (Sonos).) 5 years of garbage MacBooks, and the iMac chassis hasn’t significantly changed in 15 years… Tim Cook has been a disaster; makes money, but little else.

(Before you downvote me or start typing out a snarky post to refute me, just think on one perfect example: 40 years ago, the auto industry—led by the nascent, hungry Japanese manufacturers—learned how part interchangeability could significantly drive down costs while also significantly ramping updatability. Reusing something as simple as a great door handle design was “innovative” and drove the Japanese car revolution. Apple can’t even see fit to interchange motherboards between the Mac mini and iMac, or iPhone and iPad, in order to effectively ship yearly bumps. Ever. Even the batteries have changed year-over-year in similar devices. And Cook is supposed to be a “supply chain expert”. Uh huh. Apple has burnt $BILLIONS on re-tooling, and most of their products end up in landfills within 5 years. This isn’t a good thing. There is ZERO REASON Apple should be unable to release an entire ecosystem of “HomePod” devices at this point. With their eyes closed. But… instead… we got a re-hashed, over-priced HomePod based on a concept that nobody wanted the first time around. Their failure of creativity at scale is stunning.)
Innovation as shown here in MR is a sliding personal scale. One persons innovation is another persons meh and one persons meh is another persons innovation.
 
Instead we saw Apple TV services that are growing all the time
exactly. there never was a TV - not one that was going to be mass produced and anyways.

Didnt stop the states of fact at the time year on year that the TV was being released 'soon'.
 
Oh yay! Another article about a mythical product which may or may not have ever existed, and now people are upset or confused as to why this mythical product may not ship on time.
 
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You dont say!

Great response.

Now, you appreciate the definition of the word rumours (spelled correctly there - you are welcome USA :) )

However, far from rumours and this was the point I was trying to make... this is being presented as a fact - not a rumour, and its something that was imminent and now is being pushed back - not a rumour but a tangible product.

It is, indeed, just a rumour.
 
Honestly, even with the lower price, the ATV is still overpriced and a microphone should be in it and not just the remote. Kind of like the Amazon cube.

Not sure I agree actually, it’s easily the most solid and responsive streaming box out there and, crucially, the only one that isnt heavily subsidized by data mining to sell to third party advertisers and trackers. The true cost of something like Roku or Amazons boxes are hidden by them making money differently, and more invasively.
 
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