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Apple's iMessage Avoids EU's Digital Markets Act Regulation
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Given that Europeans mostly use WhatsApp anyway, the threat of iMessage against RCS is minimal there.
We don't want compliance, we want Apple to be forced to completely open up iMessage so third parties can create apps outside f teh App Store. and we want those apps to be free, also and Apple to provide the encryption vault to use as well, for free, for use on Android phones. I also want a pony. For free.
Magic.
You have to pay for MMS? Isn't it part of a plan to have free unlimited SMS/MMS?
I suspect most users have no idea what the different bubbles mean. They just exchange messages.
As for What'sApp, I use it because a bunch of my coworkers do. It works fine and rings through so having multiple apps isn't an issue for me.
It used to be 40 cents per MMS and was very unreliable. Most operators in my country have shut it down completely recently. Even the high fees were probably not enough to justify keeping those servers up anymore.
And SMS across borders are still very expensive in many plans. Better not to start a SMS chat with a friend in another coutry
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It’s like we’ve been telling you in every thread: nobody cares about iMessage here
Even my friends with iPhones use Telegram and WhatsApp
Even my friends with iPhones use Telegram and WhatsApp
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MMS was never a really issue. When it could have had any interest it was expensive. Even then it was better to just email a picture if it was important.
When it became part of the plan nobody cared anymore. And that was a long time ago.
And for the same reasons nobody will care about RCS.
It's like offering a better abacus when you have got scientific calculators.
That wouldn't be an increase in use of iMessage, it would be an increase in use of RSC. RSC happening within the Messages app on iPhones doesn't make it iMessage.
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No they didn’t. They simply mandated websites shouldn’t sneakily monitor users and invade their privacy. So websites started informing their users with annoying popups instead of doing away with the practice.
It used to be 40 cents per MMS and was very unreliable. Most operators in my country have shut it down completely recently. Even the high fees were probably not enough to justify keeping those servers up anymore.
And SMS across borders are still very expensive in many plans. Better not to start a SMS chat with a friend in another coutry
Charging for that is so backward. My US plan has unlimited SMS/MMS well beyond the US; in the EU I use a local SIM for data but text via iMessage or text since it's included in my plan.
The law of unintended consequences, and some sites simply block EU IP address, very annoying if you are trying to check a US price and don't have the VPN on.
Not a win/loss for either, as few in the EU use it.
I have family in Germany, and they just dump the messages icon into the junk pile of unremovable apps.
So different culture wise and gov trust wise
Most of my colleagues won’t even respond to a green text, it’s just not secure, same with zuckerbergs whatsapp, the only green texts I get are ether junk or “your table is ready” or “your confirmation code” type texts
In my circle it’s 95% iMessage, with most everyone also having advanced data protection on and iCloud off,
and a small smattering of Session
Not happening
Most of my messaging I do is right in messages whether its iMessage or (until RCS finally comes out) plain ol SMS
There's some things I'm a part of that use WhatsApp or GroupMe for their messages, and while I understand the convenience of it being cross-platform and all, they're just extra messaging apps I'd prefer not to use if I don't have to
Agreed. I honestly like the WhatsApp UI a lot better than iMessage, although both have their issues. iMessage also had some scary security issues recently because Apple just tries to do too much with it. I think one of iOS‘ lowest points was when Apple axed GameCenter as an individual app and tried to make multiplayer game invites an iMessage thing.
I wanted to use Signal more because it has none of the feature bloat, but I just don‘t like its desktop app. There are really no great choices.
Exactly; and it was clear to see that someone else trying to find a backdoor in (a la Beeper) was never going to work out because of Apple wanting to make it exclusive to them
So with that, interesting how they wanted to make their Spotify competitor in Apple Music available on Android too, but then again, that's different
No. If iMessage had been designated as a gatekeeper, Apple would have had to allow 3rd parties to connect to iMessage. Presumably this would be done by releasing APIs for iMessage which 3rd parties (such as Beeper) could legitimately use.
Apple choosing to support RCS doesn't mean iMessage is being opened up or getting RCS support. Apple Messages is getting RCS support. Apple can enable some interoperability between RCS and iMessage (presumably an enhanced version of interoperability between SMS and iMessage). But this is different (arguably subtly different) to opening up iMessage, and keeps Apple in control of SMS/RCS interaction with iMessage.
the EU is all over the place and out of control. one less thing to add bureaucracy to
My point was that the use of iMessage might increase because of RSC at the expense of WhatsApp. I only use WhatsApp to message and join groups that are cross platform. With RSC in place, I won't need WhatsApp. My usage of WhatsApp will go down (it will stop). iMessage might, in the EU's eyes, eventually become more important and therefore Apple eventually find themselves considered a gatekeeper.
IMessage seems to be a US only thing. in fact my phone tries so hard to force me onto imessage when sharing photos that it will only Show imessage for sharing pics with my gf, and occasionally I hit the imessage icon by accident instead of having to navigate to whatsapp and then my GF.
If only Whatsapp didn;t hamstring the quality of images as it works accross many platforms.
If only Whatsapp didn;t hamstring the quality of images as it works accross many platforms.
but it will not be interoperable with iMessage.
the apple messages app will be able to send and receive RCS messages just as it can do with sms
You can now send a "HD" version of your pictures on WA with better quality. It's still compressed and downsampled, but not as bad as the default setting. It's a little bit hidden though. If you want to send the original file, that's also possible, but you have to send it as an attachment.
I wonder when the EU will declare that all vehicles must be left hand drive and force the UK to change all their cars and roads. Of will the EU not do that act of standardization to one of their own countries
