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Apple's Intel Move... Early Details and Notes
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cgratti said:
At the risk of sending this thread spiralling downwards into the same depths the last one reached:
Intel != viruses and spyware
Windows is plagued by these problems due to the design of the operating system, not because of the processor.
(There have recently been reports of vulnerabilities in the hyperthreading feature of Pentium 4s, but that's a different topic than the one raised by cgratti)
Question: how many known viruses and spyware applications exist for the linux operating system? Follow-up: Which architecture do the majority of linux installations run on?
Answers: 1) None, and 2) Intel x86.
anastasis said:
Are you kidding? The iMac G5 has won tons of design awards. The iMac G4 was cutesy and unique and refreshing in the computer world, and it was definitely well-received. The G5 was an evolutionary step up to a more simplistic, but handsome design. It's less obtrusive than the G4, and it hangs on a wall for perfect aesthetics. Add bluetooth and airport and you've got a one-wire system, which fits much better into pretty much any decor. I'm sure that the vast majority of users rarely move their screen from side-to-side. It's the vertical angle that is frequently adjusted.
Compared to the iMac G5, the G4 looks kinda awkward, if you ask me.
swissmann
macrumors 6502a
I don't want to have to reboot my Mac to run Windows Apps. I want to to be in addition to it. I also don't want to see my Mac Apps go away unless the windows version is better and faster. Maybe Office for Windows will be way faster than the current Mac version. We'll see what happens here. Besides Apple makes the majority of the Apps I use anyway. I'm glad Classic is gone. It doesn't really need to exist anymore (except for me to play Myst - so like I said it's gone). I bet someone posts benchmarks soon anyway. I wonder if they want to keep this quiet so that we aren't all pessimistic about the move because the benchmarks are low or because they will be great and make us realize how slow our current hardware is? Hopefully it will be fast. I still don't know what to think about this whole thing.
i got a question
how come steve didnt give any details on the future of intel so we could at least know something about the future? The only thing he really told us about what is going to happen in the future is leopard
how come steve didnt give any details on the future of intel so we could at least know something about the future? The only thing he really told us about what is going to happen in the future is leopard
I didnt have time to see the whole keynote, but does anyone know if steve said which mac will be the first to have an intel?
If not what are peoples guesses?.....perhaps finally give the powerbooks a decent chip? or would the powermacs have to be first?
Let the speculation begin.
If not what are peoples guesses?.....perhaps finally give the powerbooks a decent chip? or would the powermacs have to be first?
Let the speculation begin.
iDrinkKoolAid
macrumors regular
mcarnes said:
I need to rely on Virtual PC many times since all my work (electrical engineering) is done in the dark side. But VPC is slow and it's buggy when you are doing some serious number crunching.
What sucks is that I have to wait another year until I upgrade my 12-inch 1.5 GHz PowerBook G4. I'm just wondering what (if any) PowerBook updates are in the pipeline until the new PowerBook Pentium M?
I wonder if the first iteration of Intel Macs would be an iffy implementation...
slooksterPSV
macrumors 68040
themacman said:
It's funny I know this one - Pentium D
How I know this, I do not know - does anyone remember me saying about G5i or how I thought there was going to be a G5i processor? How odd is it that its a transition from G5 to Intel???
I don't think we have to worry about the demise of the mac platform with regards to emulating an os and not having anyone produce software for it. First off mac users are diehard. 2nd does windows run shake, logic, ilife,iwork,finalcut studio,remote deskotp, tiger itself and server, digital performer and so on and so forth. Apple will always keep making software and there are lots of mac developers who are probably just as die hard. I'm sure they will find a way to give the mac a leg up beyond the already wonderful interface. Yeah there are windows analogs to most mac apps usually made by adobe or stuff like picassa as iphoto but none so elegant and well integrated. Plus, i always tell my relatives that its not the machine but the interface people want it to be transparent and easy. Most windows stuff is not that especially when you complicate it with viruses an dbugs. I expect longhorn to be a nice improvement but the upgrade cycle for computers is getting slower and folks care more about what they can do wiht it.
iGary said:
Maybe I shouldn't tangle with a demi-god, but here goes:
Will you say that in 3 years? When the x86 world is cruising along on dual core >5GHz chips, and PPC is at maybe 3.5Ghz?
The PPC had a good run, but the show is over. Freescale nor IBM can squeeze anything more than tiny incremental improvements out of their chips. The performance gap will widen (as it has before) until Macs are again mocked as far "slower" than PC's, and as toys for people who don't need real computers. Apple has had to hitch its cart to a different horse before to prevent that happening, and now it has to do it again. It's a tough choice, but it had to be done.
slooksterPSV
macrumors 68040
Here's the thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/90699/
G5i - G5 to Intel - that is very strange. I'm now looking at my predictions a little more cautiously
G5i - G5 to Intel - that is very strange. I'm now looking at my predictions a little more cautiously
aussiemac86 said:
I'm thinking PowerBooks, mainly because they can't give the iBooks or Mac minis a better chip than the PBs, and because PBs are REALLY in need of a serious boost.
BLEH!
walks accross a few macrumors member's bones and points with a stick... 😀
The G5 iMac is much more professional looking design. Alot nicer then the G4 iMac.
Plz don't try to argue this point, I am right you are wrong. No debate, we don't even need this topic for I have spoken, and I am the tree from which eve took her first mac and gave it to adam.
/end of scene
CUT...
On a more serious note, I do like the look of the G4, but in a professional scene, such as a hotel lobby etc, where you pay $1500 a night to stay, I think the G5 would suit better to the surroundings then a G4 purple / yellow / green box 😉
Who knows, maybe Apple will launch "Life Choices" where you can pick what shape and colour you want your mac, then you could really "Think Different." 😀
walks accross a few macrumors member's bones and points with a stick... 😀
The G5 iMac is much more professional looking design. Alot nicer then the G4 iMac.
Plz don't try to argue this point, I am right you are wrong. No debate, we don't even need this topic for I have spoken, and I am the tree from which eve took her first mac and gave it to adam.
/end of scene
CUT...
On a more serious note, I do like the look of the G4, but in a professional scene, such as a hotel lobby etc, where you pay $1500 a night to stay, I think the G5 would suit better to the surroundings then a G4 purple / yellow / green box 😉
Who knows, maybe Apple will launch "Life Choices" where you can pick what shape and colour you want your mac, then you could really "Think Different." 😀
mulletman13
macrumors 6502a
iMeowbot said:
Yes, I believe the ripple effect is from CoreImage... also, I believe they will find their way around Altivec, and probably programs that used Altivec to a degree will be recompiled, so it will not matter (If you're going to go through the trouble of using Altivec, you're probably going to stick with Apple through thick and thin...)
Just my opinion...
They made flower-power G4's too? I thought the iMac G3's were the only colored ones? I believe the sunflower G4's only came in white. Or are you referring to something else entirely?Joel Theodore said:
DakotaGuy
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I see Apple makes everyone agree they will not publish any benchmarks on the 3.6Ghz Intel PowerMac they are selling to developers.
It would look sort of bad if the current G5's killed it in benchmarks and I am guessing they would. That should change in time however.
I just hope when all is said and done and the first one comes out it does not end up being slower then the PPC model. I suppose replacing the G4's first and holding onto the G5's a little longer should ensure that Intel is outperforming PowerPC when they replace the Duals.
I called my Apple reseller and discussed this today. She told me not to worry I would be fine with my present computers and when it comes time to upgrade I won't notice anything. Of course she sells these for a living, but it is nice to hear some comforting words from a person I know well.
She did mention something to me however, she said they are not real worried about sales of PPC Macs for awhile because the very first Intel ones might be hard pressed to outperform the last PowerPC ones. I thought that was a pretty interesting comment. Kind of a different take on whether Apple will be able to sell any computers in the next year or two.
It would look sort of bad if the current G5's killed it in benchmarks and I am guessing they would. That should change in time however.
I just hope when all is said and done and the first one comes out it does not end up being slower then the PPC model. I suppose replacing the G4's first and holding onto the G5's a little longer should ensure that Intel is outperforming PowerPC when they replace the Duals.
I called my Apple reseller and discussed this today. She told me not to worry I would be fine with my present computers and when it comes time to upgrade I won't notice anything. Of course she sells these for a living, but it is nice to hear some comforting words from a person I know well.
She did mention something to me however, she said they are not real worried about sales of PPC Macs for awhile because the very first Intel ones might be hard pressed to outperform the last PowerPC ones. I thought that was a pretty interesting comment. Kind of a different take on whether Apple will be able to sell any computers in the next year or two.
EricNau
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What does this mean?
I just bought a Mac for the first time, and so far I love it! But what does this switch mean for me, having just bought a computer using the IBM two weeks ago? Are software companies going to stop making software for my version of the Mac, or will it matter? I'm I going to have to buy a new iMac a year from now because I can't find software for mine (I was hoping to get atleast 3 years out of this one)
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And if you ask me...
Apple might as well just buy a toilet to flush their company down the drain, it'd be much faster than what thier doing now.
After all of this I predict apple will loose the qualitly they were once known for. And people running Windows on a Mac, sounds like a bad dream.
And if I'm wrong about any of this, or I'm clearly misunderstanding, please let me know.
I just bought a Mac for the first time, and so far I love it! But what does this switch mean for me, having just bought a computer using the IBM two weeks ago? Are software companies going to stop making software for my version of the Mac, or will it matter? I'm I going to have to buy a new iMac a year from now because I can't find software for mine (I was hoping to get atleast 3 years out of this one)
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And if you ask me...
Apple might as well just buy a toilet to flush their company down the drain, it'd be much faster than what thier doing now.
After all of this I predict apple will loose the qualitly they were once known for. And people running Windows on a Mac, sounds like a bad dream.
And if I'm wrong about any of this, or I'm clearly misunderstanding, please let me know.
~Shard~
macrumors P6
I have a lot of faith in Jobs (not blind faith, just faith) and I believe he knows what's best for Apple. He sure has been making some good decisions lately at least (i.e. iPod/iTMS!) and I believe this will be another good one. I'm not really too worried about having "Intel inside" - I think a lot of people have negative opinions of Intel through association with MS, and I don't think this is accurate. I'm looking forward to seeing what Apple has in store for us in a year's time, and in the meantime, I'm also looking forward to seeing what else is in the PPC pipeline.
mulletman13
macrumors 6502a
You're right , they only made Flower Power G4 in White...
The lead statement is :
The G4 design was more bold, unique, and functional.
The G5 design is more functional and space saving.
The lead statement is :
The G4 design was more bold, unique, and functional.
The G5 design is more functional and space saving.
Apps?
I think that the transition is needed and i think that we will definitely have a vpc version that runs windows at full or near full speed. I am concerned that this will deter programmers from using the mac platform, "if they need it they will just install windows." On the other hand it would be easier for windows programmers to write for intel osx. This could spurr more development.
What do you all think?
I think that the transition is needed and i think that we will definitely have a vpc version that runs windows at full or near full speed. I am concerned that this will deter programmers from using the mac platform, "if they need it they will just install windows." On the other hand it would be easier for windows programmers to write for intel osx. This could spurr more development.
What do you all think?