Yep, I'm sure that's what all you netbook fanboys/iPad haters will be chanting as you rock yourselves to sleep tonight.
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Apple's iPad Seen Cannibalizing Netbook Sales
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Yep, I'm sure that's what all you netbook fanboys/iPad haters will be chanting as you rock yourselves to sleep tonight.
'Tis better to cannibalize ones own sales, than wait for the competition to do so, especially when the technology starts becoming available to do so. Companies that fail to cannibalize their own sales in an attempt to maintain margins and satisfy existing high end (as opposed to new) customers, often end up ceasing to exist. At least, that's the theme of the book: "The Innovator's Dilemma".
Bloody ridiculous
No, what's "bloody ridiculous" is your incessant trolling and apparent belief that anyone on this forum takes a word you type seriously.
My observation is that in about 60% of his/her messages GamecockMac accuses someone in "trolling". Apple Troll Police of sorts. Are you trying to substitute the lack of arguments with this BS?
While I think the coming of the iPad was a contributing factor, I think the biggest factor for the slowing of netbook sales is that netbooks suck.
Combining the worst aspects of a smaller more portable device like a smart phone and combining hem with the worst aspects of a notebook they managed to come up with one crappy device.
People were taken away with the idea at first and the market grew, but over time people realized these devices were not good for much and thus you saw recommendations fall off and you also saw upgrades disappearing as people realized the was no point to have a netbook.
So Apple did come in at the beginning of this year and give people something else to look forward to, the netbook segment was dying on its own anyways, as it turns out they are not really good for anything.
Combining the worst aspects of a smaller more portable device like a smart phone and combining hem with the worst aspects of a notebook they managed to come up with one crappy device.
People were taken away with the idea at first and the market grew, but over time people realized these devices were not good for much and thus you saw recommendations fall off and you also saw upgrades disappearing as people realized the was no point to have a netbook.
So Apple did come in at the beginning of this year and give people something else to look forward to, the netbook segment was dying on its own anyways, as it turns out they are not really good for anything.
It's an interesting theory. The reality right now still is that netbooks are sold at the rate of about 45 million items per quarter and iPad is nowhere near this. Obviously iPad alone could not have slowed down the explosive growth of netbook market. Nobody should expect this (or any) market to grow at 600% rate for a long time.
Again, and I suppose I'm playing devil's advocate here, I dissagree. If you had a mini 10v with SL installed, you'd see that you were wrong. Like any laptop, I close the lid when I'm done (initiating sleep), and open it when I want to use it. Opening the lid, the netbook is ready before the screen is up. Safari, mail, most other apps launch instantly, just as on a macbook, giving me a very fast, full desktop experience on a very portable device.
Many people keep harping on the fact that netbooks suck, and most of them haven't used one, especially with SL. It's a mini rocket - this one at least - and I'm extremely happy with my decision. hop over to the mydellmini.com forums and you'll see for yourself that many others feel the same way.
Everybody worried about cannibalization of APPLE products.
And instead, cannibalization of netbooks, which Apple doesn't make.
Again, Steve was skating to where the puck was going. Incredible.
The netbooks looked clunky, cheesy, outdated even before the iPad came out. Now they look really outdated --- still using a touchpad....mouse....whatever.
And instead, cannibalization of netbooks, which Apple doesn't make.
Again, Steve was skating to where the puck was going. Incredible.
The netbooks looked clunky, cheesy, outdated even before the iPad came out. Now they look really outdated --- still using a touchpad....mouse....whatever.
I got this one...
I paid $30 for the disc at retail. As for being legally installed, it is....
2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.
A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time.
There's an Apple logo on my netbook, so it's Apple labeled
Blurry line? Yes, but legal according to their own terms I agree 100%. Netbooks look clunky, cheesy, outdated. And that was before the iPad came out.
This is actually what's happening: market saturation. I have to wonder if people in here are even able to interpret graphs. All this shows is that growth has decreased, but cannibalized is a disingenuous term. I have to say I'm surprised MacRumors is even posting this. No, I'm surprised by the level of ignorance of some people in here.
Don't get me wrong, the iPad is a great device, but they both serve different markets.
This is actually what's happening: market saturation. I have to wonder if people in here are even able to interpret graphs. All this shows is that growth has decreased, but cannibalized is a disingenuous term. I have to say I'm surprised MacRumors is even posting this. No, I'm surprised by the level of ignorance of some people in here.
Don't get me wrong, the iPad is a great device, but they both serve different markets.
wovel said:
Not at all. The people that actually don't care are perfectly capable of seeing the pros and cons of many different products/companies/services. Remember: "the true test of a first-rate mind is the ability to hold two contradictory ideas at the same time."
Being critical about something doesn't mean you are a troll.
What? Have you seen the eeepc seashell? and other new ones? It's less expensive! A lot less! Of course it's lesser quality, but lesser quality doesn't mean clunky or cheesy.
And outdated? My netbook has a web cam, video out, usb ports, and can run any full OS I want - and I use all those features regularly. How is that outdated compared to an iPad?
Arstechnica Got It Right...
A less hysterical evaluation can be found here:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...lling-netbooks-or-have-they-hit-a-ceiling.ars
(I love my iPad, but I don't live in the Reality Distortion Field.)
A less hysterical evaluation can be found here:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...lling-netbooks-or-have-they-hit-a-ceiling.ars
(I love my iPad, but I don't live in the Reality Distortion Field.)
Yep, I'm sure that's what all you netbook fanboys/iPad haters will be chanting as you rock yourselves to sleep tonight.
Ughh, so how old are you? Where is your sense of maturity? I'm sure you go to bed thinking "I'm cool because my phone has an Apple on it". Grow up.
Consider the idea of having both a netbook for some tasks and an iPad for other tasks. I know it's hard for people like YOU, to understand that it's actually possible to have both Apple and other products.
Keep feeding the stereotype though, you are doing a great job
Ughhh. I hate these comparisons.
Netbook sales are dying down because more people who want them now have them, as time goes by. This is a natural progression of sales - same thing is happening with the iPhone.
I won't buy an iPad, because it doesn't have what I need/want. I don't want a closed system, I want to install, run, what I want. I also want a very portable form factor. Speed and power are not that important, since this is a secondary machine - used mainly for browsing, email, youtube, etc.
What I want, like may others, is a Mac netbook, running OS X.
...So I got one
That's exactly what I thought and did and I couldn't be happier. When the iPad came out and I saw that it just didn't have the hardware (yea I know it's slim) or software to compete with a netbook, let alone a desktop, I made the decision to buy the netbook over the iPad. In other words, if the iPad didn't come out, I would still be waiting for it, but now that it's here, I don't want it. Steve can do better, and it's a joke when he calls the thing magical. If the iPad is magical the iPod Touch must be enchanting since the only major difference is screen size. I have a Touch and it's so slow (wi-fi) and the battery drains so quickly that it's really kind of a toy and a TD (toilet device).
My observation is that in about 99% of his/her messages lilo777 is posting Apple-hating FUD. Why people who troll this site think anyone on MacRumors Forums is going to take this type of garbage seriously is truly mind-boggling. It never once occurred to me that it would be a valuable use of my spare time to join an Android/Blackberry/Windows7/etc forum with my primary purpose being to make post after post slagging the companies responsible for those products. But I guess some of us actually have lives...
I wasn't making reference to reasoned arguments (there have been a few that make me doubt my own on regards to the ipad). Instead I was commenting about those that simply make statements such as "here cone the Apple fanboys".
Why the need to be so confrontational? Otis sympotomatic of a world in which balance and reason is rarely reached because people start with the premise that those who subscribe to another line of thought are wrong on all aspects of the given subject. UK elections have put me on a bit of a downer.
Anyway, the argument that the ipad is the sole cause netbook decline seems to be flawed; but I still believe that it has had an impact. Te volume of ipad sales alone would indicate that that is the case.
I got this one...
I paid $30 for the disc at retail. As for being legally installed, it is....
2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.
A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time.
There's an Apple logo on my netbook, so it's Apple labeled
1. Any judge would seriously think about introducing corporal punishment for your idiocy of claiming that putting an Apple sticker on a Dell computer makes it Apple-labeled. And it wouldn't help you anyway, because Apple has reacted to the idiots making this claim by changing the license terms to "Apple branded".
2. The MacOS X 10.6 disks _are_ upgrade disks. They require a legally installed version of 10.5. They don't even allow installation on top of 10.4.
3. There can be no doubt that you are in violation of the DMCA. As Psystar found out, DMCA violation = $2500 per violation. Illegal copying of MacOS X (which you did first by installing it on a Dell computer, and then every single time you boot the computer) = $30,000.
I personally don't care what you do, but please don't insult anyone's intelligence by claiming that what you are doing is anywhere close to anything resembling legality. Most of all, don't post any comparisons of prices between legally acquired products and products involving illegally copied software.
What alternative universe would that be where there are 180 million netbooks sold per year?
Whoh - easy there. I'm not insulting anyone, just taking a lighthearted stab at the question. did you see the winks?
I had a long reply, addressing your points, most of which are of course valid, but there's no need. Suffice to say, there are many people enjoying tinkering with their netbooks and putting Mac OS X on them. If anything, it strengthens the Apple brand. Look at all of the people trying to get Apple stuff on non Apple stuff. Apple's watching, but watching quietly. Perhaps they're watching to see how much interest there might be.
I'm not selling anything hacked - it's just personal tinkering and fun.
I've bought 6 macs, 4 iPods, and an iPhone in my life. And, have sold plenty to friends and family. I assure you, if Apple has a problem with me playing with a netbook (as many others), they're jeopardizing plently of future sales.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
There goes my dream of Apple being exclusive and limiting their market for the Apple hardcore
I never take facts and stats too seriously, especially in this case. A Homer Simpson quote comes to mind...
There goes my dream of Apple being exclusive and limiting their market for the Apple hardcore
I never take facts and stats too seriously, especially in this case. A Homer Simpson quote comes to mind...
Agreed, "In marketing and strategy, cannibalization refers to a reduction in the sales volume, sales revenue, or market share of one product as a result of the introduction of a new product by the same producer."
Apple doesn't produce netbooks, so it the iPad can't be "cannibalizing" them.
Why not join a forum so clearly full of fawning fan comments and ill informed anti-PC sentiment to be critical? Isn't it also possible that they take an interest in all forms of tech and they keep track of what "the other half are doing"? I actually see very few posts that are simply "Haha Apple fans are morons." and most of them are along the lines of "Actually this shows growth and not sales, you are a fanboy for reading this as iPad's influence. That is the very definition of being a fanboy, reading Apple's influence into everything that happens in the tech world.
As for benchmarks there are the sunspider results as you have said but seem to think are irrelevant. However any time Safari is mentioned here the sunspider benchmarks are always rolled out to show how great it is. Therefore when there is a comparison of iPad and netbook performance I believe Sunspider benchmarks are very relevant. I haven't seen a sunspider benchmark yet that puts the iPad ahead.
Anandtech did a comparison of several websites that for the most part loaded a couple of seconds faster than on the iPad:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3640/apples-ipad-the-anandtech-review/17
Now that doesn't make the iPad slow by any stretch of the imagination, but it does suggest that the comments about sluggish netbooks are down to prejudice.
I suspect that some people make those comments because of the first few posts which guffawed and back slapped without paying any attention to the graph, or knowing anything about the figures.
Was I being any more confrontational than you? UK election results are great here. Local bigotted MP ousted in favour of cross community party. Splendid.
I do have a Mini with Snow Leopard, and my iPad kills it for casual web browsing, which is 90% of what I use them for. There's no way you've tweaked your Mini in such a way that it competes with the iPad for instantaneous use. What about standing use (at a bank, waiting in line at an airport) or for sharing content, or battery life (which is better under Windows 7 than on Snow Leopard on the Mini). I've caught myself instinctively trying to touch links on the Mini screen but never missed the hardware keyboard for entering URLs or Google searches on the iPad.
It sounds like you've only use a Mini and not an iPad...I cannot fathom how browsing Facebook, or MacRumors, or CNN, or YouTube would be more appealing to anyone on a device with a form factor like the Dell Mini's versus the iPad's.
As an aside, MyDellMini.com is good for OS X support on that device, but I recommend InsanelyMac.com for general OSX86 help and discussion.