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It’s most likely because the desktop market is so small today the average consumers are not buying them

Then who is buying iMac and iMac pro? How much effort would it really take to keep a product they continue to offer up-to-date? If it’s true nobody is buying it then simply discontinue it.
 
Why do we even need an event at this point? Just put the damn things out. The people that want it will find it.

Enough with the congratulatory pat on the back the tedious dog and pony show and just get the stuff into our hands.
 
What if I just want a functional 'desktop' style computing experience? I have zero need for a 'pro' machine, but would cheerfully put a new Mini on my desktop... and another one for my wife... just to have access to the Apple ecosystem.

If access to Apple's ecosystem is all you need, a 21" iMac is a better deal. For $1,099 you get a computer (with four USB-3 ports, two Thunderbolt 3 ports, an SD card slot, and gigabit ethernet) and, a nice display, keyboard, and mouse (which are not included with a Mini).
 
We have 8 years old Mac Mini at our office. If we want to demonstrate the video, I had to remind the videographers to export as 720 format every time. Sometimes we forget and played 1080 on that and Mac Mini struggled big time. I am hoping Apple will release Mac Mini so we can finally upgrade it.
 
If access to Apple's ecosystem is all you need, a 21" iMac is a better deal. For $1,099 you get a computer, and, a nice display, keyboard, and mouse (which are not included with a Mini).

But if you already have a monitor, keyboard, and mouse, then the difference in price between a base iMac and base Mac Mini is $600. So, you can buy 2 Mac Mini for the price of one base iMac. In the case of my wife and I, that is an attractive option, since we already have the peripherals.

Also, I just prefer to not have my monitor and computer integrated. With a headless setup, if the monitor goes out, I can get a cheap replacement for $100. It’s just a more maintainable setup.
 
Certainly Apple charges a premium for the upgrades like RAM and storage, but they are otherwise in the ballpark on desktop components. The price of a 5K iMac isn’t that far off versus a self-build when you part it out—though the 5K panel is a major contributor to the overall price. Same goes for the mini. You’re getting a functional machine, OS and all. The issue, really, is that the specs aren’t right for a particular segment of Apple’s customers. Apple has kept the mini on life support for a reason, otherwise they would have canceled it outright by now.

DDR4 prices have probably been a major contributor to the lack of upgrades on mini and MBA, so Apple has kept them on DDR3 platforms. 8GB is like $80 retail. Any decent intel i5 CPU is going to be $200, even in volume. Those 2 parts alone get you about halfway to the cost of the base mini. That’s why I’m expecting a price hike.

That's fair - I just want to be able to put every dime I spend on my next Mac to be towards the performance and not towards the outrageous (though beautiful and probably worth it for certain professions) display. It's completely untenable on my end. I honestly thought until the rumors of the new Mac Mini (the one supposed to be released this fall) that AIO was how Apple would proceed so I'll be pleasantly surprised at any Mac that doesn't force the monitor and I don't mind if I have to pay extra for it.
 
Really the Mac mini hasn’t been updated since late 2012
Actually, the latest Mac Minis were downgraded. My refurbished 2012 Mac Mini sports a quad-core i7 which isn't even offered in the latest version (which is a lame dual-core i7). What Apple has done to the Mac Mini is really sad. Apple could have made really easy access to the hard drive but no, I'd had to remove internal components just to get to it and it was a pain in the butt. Apple should be ashamed of itself if it ever looked at HP's mini-desktop computer, the Elite Slice modular model. Why is it so hard for Apple to update such a simple desktop computer?
 
The annoying thing is like the 2006 Mac Pro, Apple don't need to "innovate" here. The chassis is fine, just update the I/O ports and processor/GPU every couple of years, and people would be happy. Sometimes Apple tries too hard to re-invent things that don't need re-inventing - a box with some external ports and chips inside.

Apple, stop talking only to your worshippers... and start talking to those who are leaving your church.
Worth repeating.
 
But if you already have a monitor, keyboard, and mouse, then the difference in price between a base iMac and base Mac Mini is $600. So, you can buy 2 Mac Mini for the price of one base iMac. In the case of my wife and I, that is an attractive option, since we already have the peripherals.

Also, I just prefer to not have my monitor and computer integrated. With a headless setup, if the monitor goes out, I can get a cheap replacement for $100. It’s just a more maintainable setup.

I spoke to the requirements of the person I responded to. Not to whether a Mini makes sense for all user scenarios.
 
But if you already have a monitor, keyboard, and mouse, then the difference in price between a base iMac and base Mac Mini is $600. So, you can buy 2 Mac Mini for the price of one base iMac. In the case of my wife and I, that is an attractive option, since we already have the peripherals.

Also, I just prefer to not have my monitor and computer integrated. With a headless setup, if the monitor goes out, I can get a cheap replacement for $100. It’s just a more maintainable setup.

Agree with this - not to mention the option of putting the extra $ toward upgrading the internals. My $150 BenQ monitor displays code just fine - If I'm giving Apple another $1000 I want it to be on improving performance.
 
They've got bazillions of dollars of available capital but spend the majority of their R&D on autonomous vehicles and the development of really pretty emoticons.

Here we go again with the anti-emoji argument. They are really really popular with the general public and a fantastic way to get non-technical people to perform OS updates. Emoji are part of Unicode. In order to fully support Unicode, emoji must also be supported. Apple has always paid attention to graphic design and actually care what OS elements look like. The graphic designers aren't doing hardware development, nor should they.
 
The Mac line has become a hobby project for Apple. Even the Apple TV has been getting more focus than some Mac products.

No wonder Mac sales are going down with the lack of updates and the terrible releases of the past years.

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https://www.zdnet.com/article/expensive-iphones-boost-revenue-but-mac-sales-tank/

Worst quarter in a long time, but I honestly think this is by design. A slow phase-out of the Mac business will be a lot less controversial then simply coming out and cancelling the entire product line. It'll hang on for a few more years, but I would not be surprised at all if Apple is totally out of what we consider the "traditional PC" business within 5 years.
 
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I'm an iOS developer and I'm afraid I'll need to update my 2011 iMac in a few months, I can't install Mojave and sooner or later Xcode will need Mojave to run. A new Mac Mini with a good display would be perfect for my office desk.
My Macbook Pro is still great, but usually I prefer to leave it at home and get work done on my desktop machine, it makes the commute easier as I don't have to carry a bag.
If they don't refresh the Mini I'll go for an iMac, but the mini would be better if they updated it more frequently. A good display can last for years, while CPU and storage need to be upgraded every 3-4 years. I don't feel like buying a new iMac so often
 
Based on the all the foot-stamping and bib-dribbling comments, the "but Macs retain their value a lot longer and are great investments!" crowd was just lying the whole time about that. Turns out you're just impatient children, oh sorry, *power users* wanting new toys.

Qué sorpresa.


It's not a question of "retaining value" at this point, people want or need to upgrade *eventually* no matter what.... and there's nothing to upgrade to, and for the those who need to, who have hardware that got damaged or needs to be supplemented, they're stuck paying brand new prices for 4 year old hardware.

As for people being "impatient"... Impatient is complaining about months out of date, a year out of date, maybe even 2 if a refresh seems imminent anyway.... but 4 years is a *long* time in the computing world....
 
It’s make or break for Apple. They can’t not know it. Fail here and there will be lots of disappointed potential customers. The iMac Pro is all well and good, but there’s a large appetite for modularity (Mini) and user customization (Pro).

What? I 100% agree that it's partly a self-fulfilling prophesy because of how criminally they have starved these two models of upgrades. But fact is that their laptops, which have neither of those qualities represent an overwhelming percentage of their sales. And Mac sales aren't that big in the first place compared to iPhone. So this kind of explains why they've been content to literally do nothing with these two "products in their lineup" for the past 5 years (more than that if you count the last Mini and the defective-by-design, not-what-anyone-wanted Trash Can as the jokes that they are). The volume apparently doesn't justify the cost enough for Apple to bother.

For the most part, the users who want modularity or upgradability have already given up on Apple and aren't coming back. Which is a smart decision for them! So I don't think there's a huge appetite of potential Mac buyers who want those things that badly.
 
The one sentence truth about Apple. Their neglect of the Mac line is planned and ON PURPOSE.

Of course it is. There's no long-term future in stand-alone "computers," and mobile multi-purpose devices far outsell them and have replaced them for most people. Personally, I love using Mac and can't live without mine, but facts are facts.
 
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