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This, like the Pro, is damning evidence of how Apple likes to rip off their customers.
Oh, please!

Don't like it; don't buy it. Simple.

Who's getting "ripped-off"?
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Our Test Mac Mini is too old and doesn't get OS Updates anymore... but we can't buy a new one, because we don't want to upgrade to old hardware.

So this can't come soon enough.
So when did YOU last upgrade your Mini; because the 2012 and 2014 Mac minis STILL get upgrades, even into Mojave.

http://osxdaily.com/2018/06/05/macos-mojave-compatible-macs-list/
 
The mark 3 Ford Cortina was 5 years young when it was discontinued in 1976 so there might be some life left in this 2014 model yet.
Volvo sold the 740 line virtually unchanged for 6 years, and HOW many DECADES was the Volkswagen Beetle sold, virtually unchanged?

Not everything has to be "updated" every whipstich.

Having said that, it is certainly "time" now.
 
Yes, I'm getting ready to do the same.

I made a conscientious decision to make 2018 thru 2019 be a T&E phase for transitioning away from the Apple ecosystem.

With Microsoft's latest offerings, I may go total windows and Android. Or less likely some combination of Linux, Windows, and Android. Basically, the set up that I had before switching entirely to Apple for work and home back in 2005.

How is this progress?

The only thing holding me back from tearing the band aid completely off is an emotional connection to the brand that it was between 2000 and 2012.

The problem is that Windows 10 is a mess. MS needs to get off the biannual major upgrade cycle. It causes more problems than it solves. It’s why I’m back over in the Mac camp now. I have a Windows 10- Office 365 setup at work, and it’s painful. Excel has somehow gotten worse—slower to launch, and “protected mode” ramps up my CPU so much that it slows down my entire setup. I can do Linux, but it always leaves something to be desired when it comes to running alternative software.
 
The only thing holding me back from tearing the band aid completely off is an emotional connection to the brand that it was between 2000 and 2012.

I lost this over 10 years of keeping a Mac Pro 2008 running and not seeing a satisfactory Apple replacement. Especially as the Mac Pro increasingly became a Frankenstein's Monster of a Windows/Linux box and after-market parts more than it was a Mac.

Blunders on the Mac software side from the OS, to really basic things like iPhoto to Photos made me lose my respect of the "quality" OSX.
 
Im wondering how long Intel is producing this ancient CPU. How long usually is this with each generation?
Not listed as Discontinued on Intel's website, and neither are the CPUs found in the 2012 Mac mini. Makes sense, as Apple continues to service the 2012 Mac mini with new replacement parts, meaning Intel must still be making the appropriate CPUs.
 
Apple ****ed up hard with educational institutions. I know multiples of computer labs and classrooms in multiple schools that had allocated multiple years of budget just for Mac Minis, but have since transitioned to Windows machines because Apple refused to update the Mini.
 
Dude seriously?

No matter the marketing, an iPad cannot completely replace a true desktop computer. This is especially true if one is still using legacy software and/or work flows.
An iPad most definitely can replace a traditional computer for a majority of users. Most people only use their computers for word processing and consuming entertainment. Power users who can’t use a tablet as their main device is a very small part of the consumer market in 2018 when most people only use a phone as their primary computing device
 
The problem is that Windows 10 is a mess. MS needs to get off the biannual major upgrade cycle. It causes more problems than it solves. It’s why I’m back over in the Mac camp now. I have a Windows 10- Office 365 setup at work, and it’s painful. Excel has somehow gotten worse—slower to launch, and “protected mode” ramps up my CPU so much that it slows down my entire setup. I can do Linux, but it always leaves something to be desired when it comes to running alternative software.

You hit the nail on the head. However, the entire tech landscape is no longer providing clean solutions. Unfortunately, we've been here before. This is what personal computing was like back in the late 1990s thru 2006. Then Steve came along and made a compelling products and services that all worked together seamlessly.

So, I guess, we all just have to decide what pain and how much of it are we willing to live with. We can continue with the iPhone Company, go to MS Garbage, go the Linux open source route, or finally consider Google's half baked cloud based and privacy killing offerings.

There's really no clear "winning strategy" here. Either way, for me, it's high time that I left Apple. Hopefully, I can ride out this down turn for a while or completely embrace open source and never pay the Apple tax again.
 
If you're running your business on a Mac Mini, you've got bigger problems.
[doublepost=1539783664][/doublepost]Apple sold the Mac Plus for nearly 5 years. Nothing new here people, move along.
PLENTY of small businesses can run perfectly-well with a Mac mini as a Server.

But I do agree that it is simply NOT required to do an "upgrade" everytime Intel wants to simply juggle internal CPU parts around (again!).
 
What few seem to mention (and is a concern of mine) is that the Mac Mini will essentially hold back OS X. For Apple to keep selling a machine 4 years old — requires them to include support in OS X as time goes on. Thus, if Apple introduced new advanced coolness a couple years from now, they would have to support hardware they shipped 6 year before.

While I'm at it, were I to speculate on the outcome of the new Mini, a small part of me says there's a tiny chance Apple will offer a very modular machine. In other words: forget "bring your own keyboard", it will be: bring your own GPU, storage, and all the other things that we typically rip out after 6 months. That also might tread into Mac Pro discussions of the same flavour. Will the new Mini actually be a Mac Pro? How can you distinguish between these two given the same approach has been rumoured for so long?

What I worry about — if an October event were to actually happen, is the mess of the whole product line Apple has set themselves up for. As tradition used to have it, Apple would roll out something new for each of the hardware things we expect. But with everything so far behind, the pain Apple will see in the next 12 months will hurt it's stock in a big way. You see, if you roll out everything at the same time (which is the case given everything is outdated), all products will cannibalize each other over a limited appetite from the mac user community. Do I need a new laptop? Yes. Do I need a new desktop? Oh yes! Can I afford both at the same time? No.

Lastly, the mess of rolling out multiple products at once will test Apple's ability to support so many new products at the same time. Every new shiny thing Apple pushes out there comes with a few weeks of issues Apple hasn't sorted out until everyone has field-tested it for them. Now do that with the Mac Mini, iMac, Mac Book, iPads, and everything else far over due, and you will have one giant pile of unhappy people all at once.
 
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My video business is gonna have to upgrade computers this winter and the sad decision has become do I want cheaper, more reliable/flexible hardware that meets my needs but comes with an OS I hate, or and OS I love that only comes on overpriced, poorly designed (for my creative needs) non-upgradable machines.

A hackintosh is just too unreliable. So I know what I should do, but that's why I keep putting off the decision hoping I can stay with what I love. But I just can't put it off anymore.
Well, since you haven't stated what your needs ("video business" could mean a LOT of things), there is no way to know whether you have a point or not.
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Agreed. I've said this many times before but Apple - as a company / not as individuals - seems to be able to do only one thing at a time. They've got bazillions of dollars of available capital but spend the majority of their R&D on autonomous vehicles and the development of really pretty emoticons. There is absolutely zero justification for not updating their entire hardware line every single year to support updated processors, memory and graphics.
Except for the undeniable fact that Intel hasn't been REALLY "updating" much of anything in the way of MEANINGFUL performance improvements for about the past 5 years (especially on the CPU-side. Their GPUs are getting a little better); so why waste R&D efforts and go through the hassle of "Agency Approvals" in a zillion countries (that ALONE is a strong motivator not to just "update for update's sake!).
 
An iPad most definitely can replace a traditional computer for a majority of users. Most people only use their computers for word processing and consuming entertainment. Power users who can’t use a tablet as their main device is a very small part of the consumer market in 2018 when most people only use a phone as their primary computing device

Yes, it can possibly be used for a majority of use cases, but it cannot completely replace a desktop/laptop.

There are a lot of people that have legacy tech, legacy software, or specific reasons why they need to use a desktop beyond email, word doc, excel, etc. Plus, think about all the peripherals that need a "dongle".

This is why the tech industry is so bullish on Microsoft's products that run the full windows experience. You cannot run bootcamp on an iPad Pro. You don't have respectable file management capabilities in iOS. The list goes on and on.
 
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I suspect it's in reference to how Apple is still selling 4-year-old technology at current prices. Ripoff? Yep.
Don't like it; don't buy it.

Who's getting "Ripped-off"?
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American corporations have life spans like Sears, Kodak, GE, and so many others. At their most successful it seems impossible that they would or could fail. But Apple is following the same path, going for the short term profit, abandoning their loyal customers, etc.

The iphone is great, but still is just a fashion toy and fashion changes. In 20 years Apple will be a memory.
Apple: Proudly going out of business EVERY YEAR for over FORTY YEARS...
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Totally unacceptable and embarrassing that a company with the vast resources of Apple can’t maintain a simple, well liked and best selling product line like the Mac Mini.
Of COURSE they CAN; but the performance improvements haven't been worth it for a "bargain" product.
 
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The Mac mini was perfectly priced at $499 (CAD) when it originally launched, but then the price went up. Now that there are rumours of a Pro-focused mini, that also suggests Pro-level pricing, so could the base model be in the $700+ range? That's outside of my budget for a "mini" computer.

Let's hope Apple has some wisdom and surprises up their sleeves...
 
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My video business is gonna have to upgrade computers this winter and the sad decision has become do I want cheaper, more reliable/flexible hardware that meets my needs but comes with an OS I hate, or and OS I love that only comes on overpriced, poorly designed (for my creative needs) non-upgradable machines.

A hackintosh is just too unreliable. So I know what I should do, but that's why I keep putting off the decision hoping I can stay with what I love. But I just can't put it off anymore.

Your point is more than valid ... for all pc tech heavy businesses.

I would highly suggest that you build your own custom computers with all of the peripherals, ram, and GPU power that you can afford. If not that, choose a product and manufacturer that allows for easy user customizability.
 
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So if this is going to be "pro focussed" what is the budget desktop mac option for the home user?
I would imagine that there will still be a "base model" that is at, or near, the same price as the current Mac mini; but that a combination of higher-end models and BTO options will allow customers to get what they want, probably up a little past $1,200. After that, it starts to become MUCH more cost-effective to simply put an iMac on the desktop, and get your display for free...
 
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A quick hop over to Newegg has a 7th-gen i3-based NUC at $275. That is with no hard drive, no RAM, and no OS. The 8th-gen quad core i5 NUC only proves my point about the real cost for Apple to modernize the mini—it’s $484, with no RAM, storage or OS. Again, I’m not saying Apple shouldn’t update the mini—or that the current model is worth buying, but Apple won’t hit $499 and turn a profit.

Intel Nuc Kit Nuc8I5Beh

$387-
 
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My head keeps taking me back to that the Mini is going to the first with ARM, but with no "rosetta stone" announcement on the horizon or in the rumor mill, I just chalk it up to priorities...and desktop hardware isn't one for Apple.
I have been saying for about a year now that the mini and the MacBook (non-pro) or MBA will be the first with ARM (and possibly later a "budget" iMac); but that is likely a couple of years off at this point (but not likely more than that).
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It’s apple the one fomenting distrust. 4 years since last “updating” the mini and the wonderful, wonderful trashcan is 5 years old. Heck, even the public mea culpa regarding the mac pro is a year and a half old by now.
And Apple is still within the time-projection for the Pro, and their never was a projection for the mini.

So now what?
 
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