Apple's Leather-Alternative iPhone 15 Cases Said to Have Different Texture

[skviki]

Cows worldwide are happy. Maybe human skin could be the next product material. Get a real feel for the process.

Cows will be the same, but valuable excelent material will go to waste if leather use starts to drop worldwide. It won’t happen with Apple’s choice not to use leather for their cases, that much is true.

 

[skviki]

That’s simply wrong. Vegan leather can be made e.g. from plant based materials, mushroom/fungus materials, leftovers from the food industry and many more. Please do a proper research before commenting fake facts.

Well, all the energy to produce this frankenproducts for fashionable ideas may be replaced by burning waste cow’s skins and producing energy from that.
But here’s a novel idea: let’s just use the skins instead of disposing of them! Wow!

 

[Boeingfan]

Cows will be the same, but valuable excelent material will go to waste if leather use starts to drop worldwide. It won’t happen with Apple’s choice not to use leather for their cases, that much is true.

If the retail cost of a leather case is $70 and weighs 100gms, and a juicy steak retails for $50 per kilo, then I’m going to wonder if the $700 per kilo hide market would be leading the cows to slaughter before meat does. Nonetheless, just because Apple doesn’t sell leather cases doesn’t mean everyone else won’t. It’s not as if leather cases have been banned worldwide so it’s a storm in a teacup.

 

[skviki]

If the retail cost of a leather case is $70 and weighs 100gms, and a juicy steak retails for $50 per kilo, then I’m going to wonder if the $700 per kilo hide market would be leading the cows to slaughter before meat does. Nonetheless, just because Apple doesn’t sell leather cases doesn’t mean everyone else won’t. It’s not as if leather cases have been banned worldwide so it’s a storm in a teacup.

Well not all parts of the skun are equal. For applications such as wallets, belts etc. the better parts are used. And those cost more. The raw skins aren’t that well paid at the slaughterhouse, they need added work to get to the value, but are a good source of income to cover costs and get better ROI from your livestock. It is also an incentive (if there isn’t any regulation and control over animal treatment in an area) to treat your livestock better to be able to earn more from top quality skin which is better in cows that have it good. I remember having trouble containing a laugh when a salesman of Rolf Benz was telling me they massage the cows in switzerland that are used for their learher couches. The silly approach aside - top leather and price for skin comes from cows that were well fed and generally content and not abused.

But I agree with you: Apple’s move is just another virtue signaling. Their leather cases were good, a nice combo of thinness and nice feel of the genuine leather. Others were compromises in protection and thickness etc.

 

[hagar]

Again, animals are not being tortured and skinned alive in the civilized world. It would be financial suicide for any business offering products made from "skinned alive" animals.

Methane is a natural gas. The weather is not decided upon the cow population.

- Animals are tortured in the agro industry all over the world. I’m not saying you should stop eating meat, I’m saying you should acknowledge that fact.
- While skinning alive is prohibit in the EU and US, it’s common practice in other parts of the world, like China. And it happens to be the case that’s the factory of the world. If companies like Apple stop portraying leather as a luxury product, demand will eventually go down.
- Nobody claimed Methane is not natural and nobody claims cows decide on the weather. If you read up on the science you would understand there are greenhouse gases, which (naturally)create a blanket around the planet to trap the heat from the sun. The more gases, the thicker the blanket, the more heat gets trapped. Trying to deny this basic scientific fact in 2023 is as ignorant as being a flat earther.

 

[skviki]

- Animals are tortured in the agro industry all over the world. I’m not saying you should stop eating meat, I’m saying you should acknowledge that fact.
- While skinning alive is prohibit in the EU and US, it’s common practice in other parts of the world, like China. And it happens to be the case that’s the factory of the world. If companies like Apple stop portraying leather as a luxury product, demand will eventually go down.
- Nobody claimed Methane is not natural and nobody claims cows decide on the weather. If you read up on the science you would understand there are greenhouse gases, which (naturally)create a blanket around the planet to trap the heat from the sun. The more gases, the thicker the blanket. Trying to deny this basic scientific fact in 2023 is as ignorant as being an flat earther.

Animals may be tortured, but not where *we* spend the money. It cannot be the reason for Apple's decision to abandon leather. I buy mostly Italian leather products, made from or treated in italy with known origin. I also could not imagine why would anyone on an industrial scale skin live animals - especially cows, that have the most common and usable quality skin. That would be psychopatic practice with no rationale and I sort of doubt that there are real chances you get any bit of leather from a live skinned animal. Cow leather is one of the products we get from cows, beside meat and milk and other byproducts for food industry. They al go hand in hand. We use most of the animal and discard little. If we (i mean society, not Apple, Apple is just a viirtue signalling idiot, biut a drop in the ocean when we talk about letaher) idiotically stop using leather to signal how righteous we are it would be a shame, because a part of the animal would be wasted. Not completely though as they would burn the skins and create energy from it in a well organized society. But still summa summarum, more good would come from using leather.
Methane - just unfortunate result of us eating meat, which we should never stop doing because we actually need it. We can say that population of Earth should go down - but we're getting eerily into some nazi way of thought here, because who will decide who shouldn't exist. Even if we do it "softly" through planned poverty - which is sorta on the way with the irrational renewables policies instead of nuclear reliance, battery cars, etc, etc... The MeThAnE iN mEaT PrODuctiOn crowd is also in the planned poverty camp because meat scarcity (if meat production goes down), as it used to be, could also be a driving factor for smaller population and shorter livespans resulting from it. People forget that higher meat prices mean also higher prices for high skill services, including, but not limited to, medical services. Come people think they can ingeneer souls of individuals and "construct" their realities from scratch, while not acknowledging that trying to meddle too much into complex, uncomputable workings of life and society brings only pain ans suffering, animosity, and all kinds of maladies. I mean haven't post WWI experiments been enough or has too much time passed for this to have any influence on people's knowledge??

 

[return2sendai]

Materials from Vega? The star? Or Suzanne?

 

[Razorpit]

I replied to another similar point. Your point is well taken. I, personally, have no real qualms either way, but this move will reduce demand for leather products. Drastically? No. Enough to move the needle? Maybe but probably not. Will this appeal to a sizable chunk of the customer base? Sure.

Perhaps Apple is eying its growing business in india where there is a major portion of the population who would be quite opposed to cow byproduct in their accessories.

Why would people in India be opposed to cow byproducts in their accessories? Cows are not gods there or sacred as pop culture would have you believe. If someone doesn't want a leather cover they won't buy it. It's that simple. Unfortunately the ones that do now have to look elsewhere.

it’s an embarrassment and endictment that it took apple ten years to disqualify leather from this one product. Proof positive that apple cares only about what Tim cares about and that animal welfare isn’t part of that. Even now it’s triggered by eco concerns not animal welfare. Embarrassing.

For those if you saying leather is a waste product. Don’t sell the leather means Charge more for the meat. Fewer people buy meat as often. So it’s not cut and dry. And yes everyone should be cut way back on meat now for many many reasons.

That’s before we get into dog leather from china sold as cow leather on Amazon yes, but also by major manufacturers.

If you think animals don’t suffer for leather, you’re wrong.

In civilized regions of the world, cows take a quick bolt to the head and are dead before their brain knows it.

What freaking cruelty? We culture and eat animals and the leather is the byproduct of that.
If anything “vegan leather” (what a idiotic name!!! Seriously!) is worse for environment.
Unless someone is so very extreme that they think we shouldn’t grow animals for food it doesn’t make any sense to introduce a manufactured material for a product with limited use time that will end up contributing to microplastic in the environment problem (which IS more real than our food “problem”).

Leather is vegan. Cows only eat grass and hay. 😉

Prefer leather it just feels nice and looks nicer, these non leather folk moaning about this will be probably be tucking into a nice steak for dinner!

Have two porterhouses thawing for the grill tonight as we speak. 😁

If the retail cost of a leather case is $70 and weighs 100gms, and a juicy steak retails for $50 per kilo, then I’m going to wonder if the $700 per kilo hide market would be leading the cows to slaughter before meat does. Nonetheless, just because Apple doesn’t sell leather cases doesn’t mean everyone else won’t. It’s not as if leather cases have been banned worldwide so it’s a storm in a teacup.

Where are you getting those numbers from? Things don't seem to add up. In all fairness the farmer never sees those kinds of profits from their livestock. I pay just a bit over $4lb hanging weight for half cattle. You can't follow it to the end product and say "this costs that."

- Animals are tortured in the agro industry all over the world. I’m not saying you should stop eating meat, I’m saying you should acknowledge that fact.
- While skinning alive is prohibit in the EU and US, it’s common practice in other parts of the world, like China. And it happens to be the case that’s the factory of the world. If companies like Apple stop portraying leather as a luxury product, demand will eventually go down.
- Nobody claimed Methane is not natural and nobody claims cows decide on the weather. If you read up on the science you would understand there are greenhouse gases, which (naturally)create a blanket around the planet to trap the heat from the sun. The more gases, the thicker the blanket. Trying to deny this basic scientific fact in 2023 is as ignorant as being an flat earther.

First, I said civilized parts of the world. China has many problems. Skinning live animals ranks low compared to what they do to humans. It would be financial suicide for a farmer to mistreat his/her livestock and to harvest materials from a live animal. I'm willing to bet Apple does not approve of either.

Second what you mentioned are not not "facts" the term "those scientists" like to use is "consensus". And consensus is not science. I'm old enough to have frozen to death in the 70's ice age, burned to death in the late 90's early 00's inferno. Survived acid rain, the ozone breaking down, and world flooding from the polar ice caps having long since melted. 🙄

To attempt to attach some stupid flat earth stigma to me because I'm not jumping on the latest disaster grift says a lot more about you then it does me.

 

[lanomds1]

What freaking cruelty? We culture and eat animals and the leather is the byproduct of that.
If anything “vegan leather” (what a idiotic name!!! Seriously!) is worse for environment.
Unless someone is so very extreme that they think we shouldn’t grow animals for food it doesn’t make any sense to introduce a manufactured material for a product with limited use time that will end up contributing to microplastic in the environment problem (which IS more real than our food “problem”).

This is so stupid I can't even find the right words to reply.

What cruelty? Do you think that the animals we 'eat and culture' are treated as they should and not like objects in the industry? You need to research more about where your food comes from in the first place. I think you definitely should watch the documentary on YouTube called "Dominion". It's free and I suppose you will realize how nonsense your comment was after watching that (if you'll ever do that, because in general people enjoy staying ignorant).

Also, I just have to laugh whenever I see a meat eater worried about the environment and the 'plastic issue' when they literally finance the industry that is literally killing our planet, the most pollutant sector in the world and the one that uses most water for farming animals.

 

[bmac4]

The amount of people getting offended because their cases are no longer made from dead animals is absolutely insane.
It was long overdue that Apple makes a change to vegan leather and I'm so glad they finally did. Go Vegan!
(...ready for your downvotes. I hope my comment offends all of you so much who think killing animals for your damn pleasure is the right thing to do).

Quite funny how you wish your post being offensive to people, when in turn you being offended if completely wrong and shouldn’t happen. Love double standard people like yourself. You make this world what a mess it is today.

 

[hagar]

Cows worldwide are happy. Maybe human skin could be the next product material. Get a real feel for the process.

Sure. Except for meat cows because of the locked in stables, beating, dragging, long haul transport and getting killed aspect of their life.

And except for milk cows because their young get taken away at birth. And their chronic stress and inflammations causing them to give milk for less than half the lifespan of what they’re capable of.

And except for the young who get locked in tiny boxes at birth, where they can’t move, turn or get proper nutrition, until they get slaughtered weeks later for their tender meat.

But yes, cartoon cows all over the world are happy.

What were we talking about again? Oh yes: wrapping tech in dead animals. Guess I’m not a fan.

 

[pplfn]

I hope this new case is as good as their braided cables, where they changed the material and we mostly saw improvements.

 

[Razorpit]

Sure. Except for meat cows because of the locked in stables, beating, dragging, long haul transport and getting killed aspect of their life.

And except for milk cows because their young get taken away at birth. And their chronic stress and inflammations causing them to give milk for less than half of what they’re capable of.

And except for the young who get locked in tiny boxes where they can’t move, turn or get proper nutrition until they get slaughtered weeks later for their tender meat.

But yes, cartoon cows all over the world are happy.

What were we talking about again? Oh yes: wrapping tech in dead animals. Guess I’m not a fan.

😆 Yes because every top steak house in the world is doing their best to prepare the perfect Chateaubriand that has received just the right amount of beating and dragging, so that the texture has character when chewing, but just below the level of a fine hemp rope.

And we all know that dairy farms do their best to ensure their livestock produces the absolute minimum amount of milk. Otherwise they might be chastised and called greedy like some do to Apple. 🙄

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Do we know what’s triggered the decision?

My guess is they found someone to make a different case for 1 or 2 cents a piece cheaper than whoever was making the old ones

For those who wake up with a need to be aggrieved by Apple each and every day, it’s not beneficial to wait for facts. Or, to consider any facts at all!

 

[SFjohn]

I’m not a big fan of genuine Apple Leather Cases for the iPhone but I will surely miss them. Wonder if Apple made the change due to being environmentally friendly. 🤔

Pleather has never been environmentally friendly, even the 1 company using natural rubber is contributing to deforestation… 🙁

 

[Boeingfan]

Animals may be tortured, but not where *we* spend the money. It cannot be the reason for Apple's decision to abandon leather. I buy mostly Italian leather products, made from or treated in italy with known origin. I also could not imagine why would anyone on an industrial scale skin live animals - especially cows, that have the most common and usable quality skin. That would be psychopatic practice with no rationale and I sort of doubt that there are real chances you get any bit of leather from a live skinned animal. Cow leather is one of the products we get from cows, beside meat and milk and other byproducts for food industry. They al go hand in hand. We use most of the animal and discard little. If we (i mean society, not Apple, Apple is just a viirtue signalling idiot, biut a drop in the ocean when we talk about letaher) idiotically stop using leather to signal how righteous we are it would be a shame, because a part of the animal would be wasted. Not completely though as they would burn the skins and create energy from it in a well organized society. But still summa summarum, more good would come from using leather.
Methane - just unfortunate result of us eating meat, which we should never stop doing because we actually need it. We can say that population of Earth should go down - but we're getting eerily into some nazi way of thought here, because who will decide who shouldn't exist. Even if we do it "softly" through planned poverty - which is sorta on the way with the irrational renewables policies instead of nuclear reliance, battery cars, etc, etc... The MeThAnE iN mEaT PrODuctiOn crowd is also in the planned poverty camp because meat scarcity (if meat production goes down), as it used to be, could also be a driving factor for smaller population and shorter livespans resulting from it. People forget that higher meat prices mean also higher prices for high skill services, including, but not limited to, medical services. Come people think they can ingeneer souls of individuals and "construct" their realities from scratch, while not acknowledging that trying to meddle too much into complex, uncomputable workings of life and society brings only pain ans suffering, animosity, and all kinds of maladies. I mean haven't post WWI experiments been enough or has too much time passed for this to have any influence on people's knowledge??

Money. People will murder for money, so skinning a live animal for money is a walk in the park for some people.

 

[SFjohn]

Money. People will murder for money, so skinning a live animal for money is a walk in the park for some people.

People & animals get murdered in parks every day for money. Your point is they skin people & animals alive for money as well? Not much of a point, Apple isn’t using leather from animal skinned alive… 🐮

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[Sikh]

Why would people in India be opposed to cow byproducts in their accessories? Cows are not gods there or sacred as pop culture would have you believe.

You must be confused with some other country / culture. Hindu's, who make up a large population of the country believe cows are scared for many reasons. One of the main reasons is because a cow can keep a baby alive if the mother were to die during birth. This is one of the reasons why devoted hindu's will look at you very disgustedly if you disrespect a cow. It could be from calling it names to wanting to kill it and if you eat beef in front of a Hindu, you are pretty much disowned to them family or not.

Here's a quick google search explaining such and more

In addition, because her products supplied nourishment, the cow was associated with motherhood and Mother Earth. The cow was also identified early on with the Brahman or priestly class, and killing the cow was sometimes equated (by Brahmans) with the heinous crime of killing a Brahman.

Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/sanctity-of-the-cow

 

[liberte1776]

DUMB.

 

[Boeingfan]

People & animals get murdered in parks every day for money. Your point is they skin people & animals alive for money as well? Not much of a point, Apple isn’t using leather from animal skinned alive… 🐮

| FavoredLeather.com

Apple is a company that has always been associated with quality. When you buy an Apple product, you expect it to be the best of…

favoredleather.com

Nobody mentioned apple skinning people. Reread.

 

[Boeingfan]

People & animals get murdered in parks every day for money. Your point is they skin people & animals alive for money as well? Not much of a point, Apple isn’t using leather from animal skinned alive… 🐮

| FavoredLeather.com

Apple is a company that has always been associated with quality. When you buy an Apple product, you expect it to be the best of…

favoredleather.com

You’ve just reiterated my point, I’m unsure of what is confusing you.

 

[JapanApple]

People & animals get murdered in parks every day for money. Your point is they skin people & animals alive for money as well? Not much of a point, Apple isn’t using leather from animal skinned alive… 🐮

| FavoredLeather.com

Apple is a company that has always been associated with quality. When you buy an Apple product, you expect it to be the best of…

favoredleather.com

Yes, they are not using animals that live while removing their skins. I used leather in iPhone cases for years. But not 14 Promax. Why do this when using materials that are better-suitable than leather?

 

[DCIFRTHS]

Money. People will murder for money, so skinning a live animal for money is a walk in the park for some people.

Forget the "walk in the park" aspect of sick people who get off on watching living things suffer. What is the benefit of skinning an animal alive?

 

[hagar]

Forget the "walk in the park" aspect of sick people who get off on watching living things suffer. What is the benefit of skinning an animal alive?

Money. It‘s quicker to drag a cow that can’t stand on its legs anymore out of a vehicle with hooks than get a veterinarian involved. It’s easier to turn the other way in the slaughterhouse when animals are not properly sedated before getting killed. It’s more economic to pluck geese alive multiple times than wait until they die or get slaughtered for their meat. It‘s an easy choice to not sedate animals if you don’t have the proper equipment to do so. It’s an economic choice to not kill animals before skinning them so the blood doesn’t destroy the skin, and it might even be easier and quicker according to some (horrific) practices when the animal is still alive.

That and ignorance.

 

[crawfish963]

I don't mind at all that they're moving away from leather, since Apple's leather cases have been crap the last few years. Considering how incredibly good the X/Xs cases were, the recent ones are just terrible and get this tacky feeling after a while. Meanwhile, my Andar and Nomad cases feel wonderful. These could be really nice as long as they don't show fingerprints like mad.

That’s because your Andar and Nomad cases are real leather and the last several years of Apple cases are “vegan leather”. Ironically your second point contradicts your first.