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I just hope they switch to USB-C.. they can't get rid of the port completely, too many devices rely upon some kind of physical port, namely millions of cars that have Apple CarPlay. They would piss off a lot of people if they killed it off completely unless they can magically turn all those cars into wireless CarPlay.
Great Catch on Carplay..I never use it because it requires connection!
 
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Imagine if they passed a law like that back in 2010. Micro USB would still be the main port today, and USB-C would probably still be awaiting approval somewhere in EU legislature.

IIRC, it nearly did come to exactly that scenario. Thank heavens it did not come to pass, as micro USB is spawn of the Devil.
 
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Of course, saying "a modern connector for the next decade" was never meant to be an "expiration date." It was just a manner of speaking. They could have gotten rid of it way before ten years or they may still keep it for a while. Saying "for the next decade" meant nothing.
 
Everyone always cites the fact that Apple makes so much money off their Mfi program… what exactly is preventing them from making USB-C cables with Mfi chips too? It’s a logical fallacy to think they are mutually exclusive.

There might be cheap cables on the market without the chip, but that already exists for lightning too. Any brand truly interested in selling their cable will want to tout official Mfi certification as a major selling point. And since the cables will be sold for use with ALL usb-c devices, not just apple devices, they stand to make more money on Mfi chips than ever. They’ll have Mfi chips in every cable whether they’re ultimately getting plugged into an iPhone or not.
I think with Apple going to USB Type C for the majority of their devices, it's not a leap forward to go to USB Type C on the iPhone and the AirPods, the last devices to use Lightning connectors.
 
I am never short of amazement of all the advocacy of abandoning what is a clearly better connector and port for a mobile device. USB-C is far more prone to wear, breaking and contamination.
i’m sorry but none of my usbc cables have ever failed but many of my official lightning cables fail official ones. Also both ports have a habit of getting dirty and needed cleaning in time. don’t know where you are getting your facts from here but there have been already video comparisons of both the cables and ports from Linus Tech Tips showing 1000 plug in and out of both usbc and lightning ports showing usbc to have no wear
 
i’m sorry but none of my usbc cables have ever failed but many of my official lightning cables fail official ones. Also both ports have a habit of getting dirty and needed cleaning in time. don’t know where you are getting your facts from here but there have been already video comparisons of both the cables and ports from Linus Tech Tips showing 1000 plug in and out of both usbc and lightning ports showing usbc to have no wear

I would rather have a 10 dollar cable fail than a connection port in a 1000 dollar device thats glued together and will cost hundreds to repair.
 
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"The company believes the adoption of USB-C would negatively impact its Made for ‌‌iPhone‌‌ (MFi) program and notes that Apple is concerned about lower standards of water resistance for USB-C compared to Lightning"

Nope, just concerned with losing licensing fees. It's the only reason lightning is still around, and they know if the make another proprietary connector it won't be well received by customer or regulators.
 
i’m sorry but none of my usbc cables have ever failed but many of my official lightning cables fail official ones. Also both ports have a habit of getting dirty and needed cleaning in time. don’t know where you are getting your facts from here but there have been already video comparisons of both the cables and ports from Linus Tech Tips showing 1000 plug in and out of both usbc and lightning ports showing usbc to have no wear
I always hear people say they replace lightning cables all the time yet I'm still using the lightning cable that came with my 2015 5S (which is long gone) and have cables still in their boxes from the phones and iPads that I've had over the years. I'm still using the original 30 pin cable that came with my iPod Video 5.5gen which I bought in 2007... I have never had one fail or even fray so either I'm extremely lucky, extremely careful or people treat their cords poorly and that's why they fail.
 
I always hear people say they replace lightning cables all the time yet I'm still using the lightning cable that came with my 2015 5S (which is long gone) and have cables still in their boxes from the phones and iPads that I've had over the years. I'm still using the original 30 pin cable that came with my iPod Video 5.5gen which I bought in 2007... I have never had one fail or even fray so either I'm extremely lucky, extremely careful or people treat their cords poorly and that's why they fail.
Yep. I don't get it either. Over 25 years of constant remote working including a million miles of international travel and I have never had one cable or power supply failure. What do people do with these ? :)
 
There’s no consistency. That’s the problem. It’s a mess
The mess even follows right through to their marketing. When the other devices brought in USB-C they were "the future of connections" and "for professionals" yet the iPhone (which let's not forget has two models that are "pro" or "higher") remain on this old tech. What a joke.
 
I always hear people say they replace lightning cables all the time yet I'm still using the lightning cable that came with my 2015 5S (which is long gone) and have cables still in their boxes from the phones and iPads that I've had over the years. I'm still using the original 30 pin cable that came with my iPod Video 5.5gen which I bought in 2007... I have never had one fail or even fray so either I'm extremely lucky, extremely careful or people treat their cords poorly and that's why they fail.

I suspect that most people having lightning cable problems are careless: yanking it out by not holding the cable grip; excessive bending; wrapping it round the phone etc. A good quality lightning cable treated properly should last for ages.

Now, as for USB-C, over a period of about 4 years I took my laptop to my garden office 5 days a week, and plugged it into a large monitor via USB-C. All was well and good. Then I started to get intermittent display problems. I’m sure the cable connector just got worn out because it did feel a little loose. I got a new cable and the problems went away.
 
Apple did do this years ago, the 2017 iPad Pro had Lightning to USB3.0
They even made a point to bring it up at the announcement.
The fact the iPhone has stuck with 2.0 for all these years is ridiculous.
I was horrified to realize that the iPhone (and even iPhone "Pro") is still on USB 2.0 speed.

It's completely absurd that Apple can't be bothered to put a 3.0 controller in $1000 phones.
 
The main reason that I prefer having the lightning port on my iPhone most of the time is because I’m using the phone while it’s charging and obviously once Apple transitions to wireless charging that will no longer be an option

I also use the Apple smart battery case for my iPhone 11 Pro and unless Apple has a wireless battery case for the iPhone 14 next year, that no longer will be an option- The only thing comparable to that right now is the smart battery pack that works with both the iPhone 12 and iPhone 13 but it’s not the same as the smart battery case which does a great job of protecting the phone
I actually came on to say the exact same thing. I don't use wireless phone charging, so maybe the practicality is different from what I'm thinking, but as far as I can tell using a phone whilst it's wirelessly charging would be a nightmare in most cases. I mean, people have it charging whilst they're using it on a couch, in bed, as a passenger in a car, in airports, on trains, at their desk at work. Sure, in certain instances it's probably advantageous to have it wirelessly charging, like on your desk, but to always have to use this method would be incredibly restrictive I'd imagine.

Sure, there'd be workarounds, but I think it'd generally be one step forward and two steps back. In the way-off future when battery technology has evolved and you only need to charge your phone once every week or so, it'd be a nice idea, but until then I'm doubtful. :rolleyes:
 
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The port will disappear. MagSafe lets you charge your phone while holding it already. Wireless DACs let you use any headphone you want already. The pins on the back of a iPad Pro shoes you can attach magnetic accessories that provide data and power without using a port. There's no actual need for the port anymore for 99% of people. Apple will surely soon enough make a MagSafe charger and iPhone that fast charges faster than the current USB C to lightening cable.

isn't magsafe technically a port?
 
The mess even follows right through to their marketing. When the other devices brought in USB-C they were "the future of connections" and "for professionals" yet the iPhone (which let's not forget has two models that are "pro" or "higher") remain on this old tech. What a joke.
You’re dead on.
 
The current wireless technologies are not even near to what they'd need to be (speed, latency etc) to completely replace the cable. Not to mention all of the accessories we currently CAN use (in addition to carplay in all of those millions of cars that only support the cabled version). "Can", as many don't. I love being able to use for example iRig. Works with USB and lightning just the same, but I cannot imagine a wireless version that would actually work the way it should. Maybe at some point in the future, but right now I've no use for a portless iphone.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I'm already tired of having to charge 10+ devices. I don't want to have to constantly charge half a dozen accessories, too.
 
The current wireless technologies are not even near to what they'd need to be (speed, latency etc) to completely replace the cable. Not to mention all of the accessories we currently CAN use (in addition to carplay in all of those millions of cars that only support the cabled version). "Can", as many don't. I love being able to use for example iRig. Works with USB and lightning just the same, but I cannot imagine a wireless version that would actually work the way it should. Maybe at some point in the future, but right now I've no use for a portless iphone.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I'm already tired of having to charge 10+ devices. I don't want to have to constantly charge half a dozen accessories, too.
one day i hope wireless will compete against wired , but damn 4k from my sony alpha 6400 to my iphone is so slow , had to bring my ipad pro 2018 for faster imports
 
The mess even follows right through to their marketing. When the other devices brought in USB-C they were "the future of connections" and "for professionals" yet the iPhone (which let's not forget has two models that are "pro" or "higher") remain on this old tech. What a joke.
“Old tech”
Lightning: 2012
USB-C: 2014

So old… and by the way, USB 3.1 is from 2013. And you could have USB 3 with Lightning too.

I’d say no one could argue that USB-C is a better (maybe for some it’s more convenient) connector than Lightning. It’s bigger, more prone to failure, etc. They just have different use cases.
 
I am never short of amazement of all the advocacy of abandoning what is a clearly better connector and port for a mobile device. USB-C is far more prone to wear, breaking and contamination.
Maybe because it's technicaly inferior to the USBC standard and serves as apples excuse to print money through MFi programs as apposed to embrace a standards that exists on almost every other apple device from macs to ipads, which is clearly good enough and lives up to apples standards as far as durability goes. There is no excuse, period. Further, it's a reach to call into question the arbitrary durability of a charger from a brand notorious for inferior quality lightening wires included with theor products. So, in conclusion, no, durability is a none issue and is honestly not the issue relating to the exclusion of USB C.

Just as a side, It's also laughable to imply ligtening speeds are good enough, because I actually honestly encourage you to transfer a pro res video via ligtening and enjoy that process! +
 
“Old tech”
Lightning: 2012
USB-C: 2014

So old… and by the way, USB 3.1 is from 2013. And you could have USB 3 with Lightning too.

I’d say no one could argue that USB-C is a better (maybe for some it’s more convenient) connector than Lightning. It’s bigger, more prone to failure, etc. They just have different use cases.
Talk about missing the point. Lightning was already outdated when it was introduced in 2012. USB-C was the forward-thinking standard when introduced in 2014. Lightning communicates via a USB standard from the year 2000. How much tech from the year 2000 do you still rely upon in your day to day life?
 
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Look, I think in the end Apple will finally ditch the Lightning port for USB Type C port with Thunderbolt 4/USB4 connectivity on the iPhone. They've pretty much ditched Lightning for the majority of Apple products already; why not apply that to the iPhone and iPhone accessories like the AirPods so every device uses a singular connector?
 
Talk about missing the point. Lightning was already outdated when it was introduced in 2012. USB-C was the forward-thinking standard when introduced in 2014. Lightning communicates via a USB standard from the year 2000. How much tech from the year 2000 do you still rely upon in your day to day life?
When Lightning was launched, we were using microUSB, which wasn’t even reversible.

Among other things, why Lightning is superior to USB-C for phones:
- The cable has a male conector, while USB-C has it floating on the phone, much more prone to failure.
- Better waterproofing.
- Smaller.

As I said “outdated” is not an argument if the newer conector is worse. Ah, and let’s differentiate between the connector (Lightning or USB-C) and the USB standard.
 
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