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Apple's Logic Pro X for Mac and GarageBand for iOS Receive Major Updates
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Wow! Not sure where to start...
"LR is clunky, slow, laggy and the Raw conversion average at best with a UI from the last century to match."
Have you updated your hardware? Because LR for me is fast, responsive, and smooth. And that's with a relatively large catalog of images. UI is great and intuitive with a lot of small features neglected by Aperture.
"I have made the switch to LR a while ago as well, as Aperture was EOLed."
Yet you initially chose Aperture...
I evaluated both Aperture and LR back in 2007. While Aperture had a "cooler" looking UI, it's performance was slow and janky.
Adobe introduced non-destructive localized brush adjustments in LR 2.0, offering MULTIPLE feathered brush masks and the ability to edit exposure, contrast, clarity, shadows, blacks, and highlights - within the Lightroom editor - most typically used for dodging and burning. Local brush adjustments are fast and easily changed as they are parametric non--destructive edits. They could be multiple applied and later edited. Easy.
Apple's response in Aperture 2.1 was their "Edit With Dodge > Dodge and Burn" menu. When invoked, Apertured first created a FULL SIZE tiff of the image in a separate edit window not part of the Aperture UI, where you could then dodge/burn/whatever to your hearts desire, and then bake that edit into the tiff when done. Make a mistake, no worries. Simply render a brand new full rez tiff and start over. And don't forget to get rid of the old rendered tiffs that were no longer useful. That process was slow as molasses sometimes. Imagine needing to carry around tens of thousands (or more) full rez tiffs.
Every single photo I process has at least one, and often many dodge/burn edits, as well as other brushed local edits (clarity, shadows, black point, contrast, etc).
Aperture released 3.0 two years later with a set of localized edit brushes and finally caught up. That was deadly.
But I had no time to wait, nor did I want to fool around with and then keep thousands of edited full rez tiffs with baked in edits.
For the above reason I chose Lightroom and never looked back. Ten years later I have never lost an image or edit. All super reliable, robust, and fast. Every image of mine going back to 2001 is quickly available, with edits intact, and easily re-editiable. All secure.
When Apple released Aperture 3.0 they reduced the price to $79. Still, after a few years of not attracting many serious/pro photographers the handwriting was on the wall. Aperture had fallen behind on features, while Adobe was charging ahead with super useful features like large catalogs of lens (multiple brands of lenses and focal lengths) profiles for automatically removing lens distortions, as well as features for automatically (or manually ) removing perspective distortions - all super easy.
At $79, which likely didn't pay the bills, and with little interest by professionals or serious photographers, Apple had no choice but to cut Aperture. Adobe as a company was built on image processing and algorithm development having thousands of engineers, scientists, and researchers on tap. Apple simply played at it.
Not knocking Apple, I like the company a lot.
You may have singlehandedly kept me from leaving Apple platform. I've been using DAW's a long time even have an old copy of Logic. The last 8 years I've been strictly Ableton Live, but perhaps going back to Logic is the right move.
I love Logic. It's an incredible value and the continued support and improvement is why I buy Macs. It truly is a killer app for the platform.
This update has a couple of huge features for me both things I've been wanting in Logic for a long time.
Track Alternatives looks great. This really fits my workflow and how I think. I've tried to implement something like this in take folders and just regular folders, but it never really worked right and wasn't easy to manage. This looks perfect. No more duplicating tracks just to have this feature.
And MIDI FX on any plugin parameter is amazing and truly something I'll use on nearly every track. Many a time, I've wanted to apply an LFO to something a plugin doesn't have an LFO for. Or do weird changes to plugins but I didn't want to create all the automation to change it.
I'll have to see about the new UI... it'll probably grow on me... but it doesn't look better than the old one just different. Audio applications seem to be the last bastion of skeuomorphic design.
This update has a couple of huge features for me both things I've been wanting in Logic for a long time.
Track Alternatives looks great. This really fits my workflow and how I think. I've tried to implement something like this in take folders and just regular folders, but it never really worked right and wasn't easy to manage. This looks perfect. No more duplicating tracks just to have this feature.
And MIDI FX on any plugin parameter is amazing and truly something I'll use on nearly every track. Many a time, I've wanted to apply an LFO to something a plugin doesn't have an LFO for. Or do weird changes to plugins but I didn't want to create all the automation to change it.
I'll have to see about the new UI... it'll probably grow on me... but it doesn't look better than the old one just different. Audio applications seem to be the last bastion of skeuomorphic design.
You can still get Lightroom 6.7 as a standalone app (as well as CC). Not sure how long that is going to last, though. It's currently $142.99 at B&H.
Korg Gadget is a great alternative and many benefits over GarageBand... well, for iOS I mean.
Personally, no - also not a Logic user. I was expressing the hope that Apple will (finally) update its desktops, because the Mac Pro and Mac Mini have turned into bad jokes. Updating Logic gives hope that Apple has not closed the door (yet) on the people who need something like the MP or the MM.
Amen, bro! The thing about digital multitrack audio is that the data is "sequential" and your tracks must stay in sync with each other while running whether you run this plugin or that plugin, or none at all. That's why CPU core performance is more important for audio folks than for the gaming/3D/video folks: With a DAW, you can't take processing shortcuts by using the brute force of a GPU as you can with "spatial tasks" like video and 3D rendering. But if someone figured out how to do that, they'd probably win a Nobel Prize in Computational Physics or some such thing.
So my question has always been if I buy Logic Pro X now for how long will I be eligible for free updates? So I don't want to pay 200 euros today and next year Apple comes out with logic pro 11 and I would have to buy it again!
I guess that's a risk you're gonna have to take at some point, although I don't think Logic Pro 11 will be released next year... Apple doesn't have an upgrade policy like other companies, there's no grace period or whatever. But if you think about it, 200 euros is really not much for such a package. Say Logic Pro 11 is released 2 years from now, 200 euros is often what you'd pay for another company's major upgrade...But then you'll get free updates (and huge new features along the way) for several years until the next major revision. Compare Logic's ridiculousy low full price to other DAWs' and the choice is pretty clear.
Warping algorithm is not good at all, and you can't do either multitrack warping, or "slicing" (as in logic), so it doesn't affect transients. (You can do that manually by chopping up regions in million little pieces).
you can't do reversing inside take folder unfortunately, but you can paste/move entire parts with take folders and retain waveform view and editing inside arrange itself..
if you are willing to sacrifice waveform view , you can pack a "take folder" instead folder, but then you have to use the bottom "track editor" to work with it, you can then work as you would in arrange. This should achieve everything you need, I enclosed both screenshots. It's not dot by dot the same as in cubase, but as far as I worked with "slices inside parts" its pretty similar.
You can also pack several tracks/channel strips inside a folder, but in that way you will have to double click to get inside, and wont be able to edit it directly in place via "track" editor.
I didn't say it doesn't work on a retina screen, it just looks jagged and horrible
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Nothing impressive, nothing introduced that would make me upgrade from 7.5 for now, especially not for the horrific prices for updates versus abysmal content with every upgrade. The Pro 9 is playing catch up with logic more than anything else
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It looks like an awesome update — but did anyone else lose all of their custom tones? I've got some, but not all of them saved in songs, but they are not accessible from the tone selection window — the Custom tab has disappeared.
This is a major, major bummer. I had a dozen or more saved amp/effects combinations designed for particular songs that have just disappeared.
This is a major, major bummer. I had a dozen or more saved amp/effects combinations designed for particular songs that have just disappeared.
lol, since the last FCPX update I expected Logic to follow soon (flat UI, MBP's touchbar compatibility...), and since it involved the UI I was kinda hoping for a refresh of some kind for EXS24's antique UI...next time I guess!
Having said that 10.3's fixes and improvements is pretty impressive!
I wish I had a better understanding of WHY Apple abandoned Aperture, yet still supports FCP and Logic. Aperture is STILL better in a lot of ways than any option out there. And that should tell you something.
It seems they thought they could realistically combine it w/ iPhone to make Photos. But we all know how that ended up.
I hope they don't eventually decide to combine Garabeband and Logic into "Music" or something silly.
And speaking of those updates, apparently this is the 15th update since Logic Pro was updated to 10.0 three years ago. Stunning how much support Apple is throwing at Logic.