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Apple's Longtime Design Chief Jony Ive Leaving to Start New Design Company With Apple as a Primary Client
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I laughed very hard at that. Thank you.
Now I'm just confused. I thought I was agreeing with you, but I personally thought Apple's design work lately has been bad or just boring, and it was Ive's fault. Are you saying it was good, and that it will get bad now that Ive is gone?
Phil Schiller. Craig Federighi, Diedre O'Brien, Jeff Williams, Sabir Khan, Dan Riccio, Bob Mansfield => these guys were all part of the Jobs era since 1997
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I actually think the iPhone 5 / 5s / SE design is still the best. Agree with your 2nd best pick
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"It's about Apple being able to determine which of his projects they'll pay for and which they won't."This has nothing to do with Apple no longer liking Ive's work or Ive being discontent with Apple. It's about Apple being able to determine which of his projects they'll pay for and which they won't. Tim Cook really resented that Apple footed the bill for Jony Ive's new design for the human penis when such a project request was never made.
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Change is inevitable and I think it will be a good thing , he hasn't done much in iPhone or iPad in a few years as focused o the new park. New person new ideas that might not equal thinner and less
Correct, I haven't bought any new Apple device in several years. I don't remember exactly when the last one was, it's been long enough that I've forgotten. The last Mac I bought was a refurbished Mac Pro 5,1 from a third party retailer. If you were looking to trap me in some inconsistency because I'm complaining about Apple's recent design decisions, you've miscalculated.
Your information would seem to be rather out-of-date. I suggest you look into it. I know a number of "normal people" who use Linux as their main or a secondary OS now, trouble-free. Hey, at least you conceded it's only "most distros" that are "generally unintuitive", leaving open the very obvious reality that there are some distros that are intuitive, and are suitable for normal people.
Your last point is very true, about Linux becoming popular once it no longer matters what your desktop OS is. What you seem to have failed to realize is that for most people it indeed no longer matters what the desktop OS is. Most software nowadays is cross-platform or has equivalents across every platform. Nobody's locked into Word or Excel anymore. I know businesses that use LibreOffice, even on Windows machines. A lot of businesses are just using web apps these days. Most "normal" people just use a browser for everything, and never load up any other software on their PCs. Linux has browsers, too, and they connect to Facebook and Twitter just fine. All the big games I can think of are on Linux either natively or with a compatibility layer which is point-and-click to set up. If that's too complicated, you can get a Linux distro that has that stuff already installed and sitting there in your dock or app viewer when you boot up for the first time.
Unless you're some Hollywood studio doing high end AV stuff, I can't think of any real reason why OS matters anymore. You can take a look at what people said in MacRumors threads about the new Mac Pro and what a niche that is, if you think that's a typical use case for a computer.
My job is essentially just word processing and email. My hobbies are games and photography. Tell me what part of any of that can't I do on Linux? If you think any of it I can't do, you're simply wrong, because I am, and you need to check out Linux again because like I said, your info is really out of date.
I've been thinking about this more. Having design report to operations makes some amount of sense from a DFM (design for manufacturing) perspective. In the end it's important that the product be attractive, but when you're building millions it's even more important that you can assemble them cheaply and reliably.
Most of the Ive videos have focused on the interplay of aesthetics and manufacturing and a lot of the advances rely on innovative manufacturing technologies that need to be scaled to massively mass production.
Design could report to engineering, but then we'd be likely to get overly functional design. They could report to marketing, but I don't think Apple's marketing really focuses on product appearance and if they did it would push too far towards form over function. With a separate "chief design officer" the design team is subject to no other constraint and becomes design for design sake.
Reporting into operations keeps the emphasis on DFM and structures the thinking as "here's something we can make, now fill it with electronics, install the code and get it out the door".
I dunno, still musing...
I haven't really noticed much of a performance hit. Honestly most of the games I want to play are just native Linux straight from Steam or another source. I've only had to use Wine for basically one thing, Starcraft II, and that runs so well on my hardware I can't tell any difference. Maybe if I was a pro Korean, I would insist on using Windows, or I was playing some super brand new AAA game that was really intensive, the difference would be noticeable. I'm not doing really detailed benchmarking stuff, so I can't give you some kind of frame rate difference. A good rule of thumb is that if it's noticeable, it's usually because something's wrong with the configuration of Wine.
WineHQ actually claims that some software runs faster in Wine than natively on Windows, because Linux does things differently than Windows like memory management, and generally because Windows is fairly bloated compared to Linux and so there's more baseline overhead for anything you do on Windows. I think it's fair to say that there's going to be some kind of performance hit in many apps, but most of it is driver-based, and it probably won't be something you really notice or care about unless you're really obsessed with FPS numbers.
Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed my very long post, and you should definitely give Linux a try sometime. Ubuntu or Mint are quite good for beginners. I was always kind of a Debian guy but I recently switched to Ubuntu because I wanted some newer packages. If you want a very Mac-like experience, there are distros specifically for that. If you are a gamer, there are distros that are specifically meant for gamers that have things like Steam, Wine, and Lutris/PlayOnLinux installed by default, and even a bunch of old console emulators and stuff.
I feel like this is all way off topic, so I don't want to post too many more times about Linux in this thread, but if you or anyone else want advice or have some other questions, feel free to PM me here on the MacRumors forums. I'm not super active on this site anymore, but if you PM me, I'll probably get back to you reasonably quick.
I hope he doesn’t get the final say, we need new design ideas which accommodate bigger battery at the very least!
I'm sure it is. The last time I used linux on the desktop, I had to type a command in the terminal to eject the cd drive. There was no GUI for doing that. Ironically, there were even more people back then insisting that Linux was a good choice.
As for a desktop OS not mattering anymore-- yes, that has mostly come true and tablets/phones seem to have absorbed most of those people. I suspect that will only continue until a desktop pc is longer a thing.
In the meantime, macOS and Windows is still the better choice for most people simply out of necessity. Ask any typical computer user to go buy a linux pc and they will probably come back empty handed. There are no Linux laptops for sale at Best Buy or Dell, there are no neighbourhood Linux experts available for most people, and there are no Linux download buttons for the vast majority of popular software. LibreOffice may work for some people but that's also available on Windows along with Office. The same goes for Gimp. No matter what software you look at, the choices on Windows (or Mac) are always at least one more than on Linux.
If you squint hard enough, Linux does indeed look just as user-friendly as Windows but I have to ask-- why? Why would someone switch from a perfectly good OS like Windows, that does everything they need, to an unknown OS that offers no obvious benefit and an unknown quantity of potential problems? It seems like change for the sake of change or some sort of misguided crusade to "stick it to the man". I've never heard a Linux supporter say why they use it other than those silly reasons I mentioned (or simply being broke, but that's an unrelated problem).
Myself, I lost the will to tinker and maintain machines years ago. I have settled for the status quo and I'm happy with that. It's the reason I use an iPhone and the reason I will probably continue to use macs. I also require Adobe CC for work and highly prefer it for personal use.
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None of this applies to power users or IT pros.
I’m kinda amazed by how many people on here seem to revere Ive, and you assert he’s a ‘genius’.
I agree some of his design ideas were fairly nice, but if you look at his recent track record, its pretty much minimalization at all costs, which, as we know, has caused a fair bit of problems.
To me a ‘genius’ design is one that elevates the ‘function’ of a product to its greatest levels, while also making it attractive.
Ive’s recent designs clearly did not accomplish that.
Its obvious you didnt read between the lines. They would never say hes being fired, nor would they say hes grown sick of apple and wanted to leave. So they craft a nice narrative that everyone loves each other and hes just going to be doing the same thing for apple at his new company. Sure, thats possible .... but some of are looking at this a little more skeptically.
That's the million-dollar question => Did he get fired or did he voluntarily leave?
Crash? No, it won't. )) Market has already responded very marginally after hours. It is up like .04 percent as I write this. There is the weekend to absorb the news. Much more is affecting AAPL stock than Jony Ive.
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I believe Apple has actually been transitioning to this for awhile. Ive stepped down (or up depending on how you look at it) as chief day-to-day designer about a year ago and two other cats were doing that. Ive got a new title and was like just overseeing things in general.
He was ready to go home in early 2011 according to an interview. He knew Steve was on his way out and was depresed.
It's time. Let him uncork some ideas he has had in his head
It's time. Let him uncork some ideas he has had in his head
I really don’t think Jony was sitting around at Apple with nothing to do for half his day and was looking to find a way to fill his day.
I mean perhaps he could spend a couple hours a day looking at some designs and offering some opinions on the project but he won’t have time to over see all the projects he was over seeing on a daily basis and start a company too. He was probably working 12 to 14 hour days at Apple with his daily tasks.
I see him having less and less influence as the weeks roll by. Apple can’t work on a project for weeks and then wait for Jony to get around to looking at it for Apple when he will have his own company to grow.
These are all just words to reduce people's fears over his leaving as he has meant so much to Apple for so many years. Especially the stock market.
Number pads - no no no no no no no. A laptop without the keyboard centred is a disaster. You either have the keyboard centred to your body, and screen offset to the right, or the screen centred, and the keyboard off to the left. How can anyone in their right mind think this is possibly a good thing.
Funny to see how these billionaires are always dressed up in casual clothing to "connect" more with the people who made them that rich.
Hopefully the next person in line will ditch the butterfly keyboard and make the MacBook Pro thick enough to be able to handle 75mAH battery and proper cooling of the processor.
What a concept that would be. Function over idealistic beauty.
We've reached thin enough, we get it. You can do it. Fine. Time to make it work too.
Hopefully the next person in line will ditch the butterfly keyboard and make the MacBook Pro thick enough to be able to handle 75mAH battery and proper cooling of the processor.
What a concept that would be. Function over idealistic beauty.
We've reached thin enough, we get it. You can do it. Fine. Time to make it work too.
I buy Apple products.
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He was a part-timer who’s been far more noticed for his mistakes than his achievements lately. At any rate, he’s been heading for the door for a couple of years now, putting the market on notice to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that markets often make, and his continued involvement is designed for similar effect (he won’t really be involved long-term).
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Some deign choices have really sucked. 1st gen Apple Pencil charging, Magic Mouse 2 charging port, butterfly keyboards to name a few. Doesn’t make me sad.
Lol, and I used to be excited by this box. I mean it has a 32x CD-R.
