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Apple's Longtime Design Chief Jony Ive Leaving to Start New Design Company With Apple as a Primary Client
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I have to admit...Johnny Ivy sold me on my first iPhone. The iPhone 5...check out the video..this got me to buy my first iPhone. The phone is just beautiful chamfered edges just a work of art.
I miss those days when I was excited about a new iPhone. My 2nd and current iPhone is a 6s closest thing to my original iPhone 5. The new phones don’t excite me but I know I need to upgrade soon.
I miss those days when I was excited about a new iPhone. My 2nd and current iPhone is a 6s closest thing to my original iPhone 5. The new phones don’t excite me but I know I need to upgrade soon.
this is a great example of his and tim cook's unacceptable mess
how can that look means that today is selected when it looks like a pushed out button meant to be
clicked on to bring the today panel???
Cue, Schiller, and Employee #8 Chris Espinoza!
You really don’t know your Apple history so you?!
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I’d say 80% of this is true.
iMac Pro
Watch from S1-4 thus far shown incredible innovation: consider Sony was the initiator in this business some 12 yrs ago when feature phones ruled, Samsung had 3 cellular capable smart watches some 5yrs before the S1!
They can still innovate with great hardware but their choices are odd.
I was referring to DESIGN DNA. Of course Schiller and Cue were there. Next time, read a little more comprehensively before popping off at the mouth.
Reading is fundamental!
I miss the old times. The best of . I feel the company has grown a lot, but so has its complexity and now it's becoming very difficult to manage. There's something about the simplicity and the amount of collaboration from the folks that are part of the Steve Jobs era that made Apple special.
I'm still a fan and I hope that it will be new exciting times for the company.
IMHO Jony Ive has likely gotten Apple into a lot of trouble...all for the sake of superficial external style at the expense of functionality/reliability. Let's take a look at what's happened while Ive strived for the thinnest systems (ALL!!!) at the expense of functionality/reliability:
In my opinion, Jony Ive has been all about external appearance and appearance only. The thin, sleek, shiny objects he has designed are in direct opposition to devices that are functional, upgradable, and at least reasonably rugged. I don't expect "combat rugged units" to come from Apple, but an iPad shouldn't warp all on it's own, an iPhone shouldn't break because someone put it in their pocket, and a computer shouldn't need a complete logic board replacement because commonly replaceable components (such as RAM or SSDs) have failed. CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, ANYONE???
Some of Tim Cook's comments are likewise, not comforting. Anyone who pays attention to what he's said will remember his wisecrack about "why would anyone need a computer when there's an iPad" comment (paraphrased). This clearly tells me that the Cook/Ive team has no clue about hardware. They don't understand what professionals use it for (NO, Tim and Jony...Kim Kardashian, Bono, and Snoop Dog are NOT power users, and neither is the guy who makes 50 Facebook posts a day.) Our company has some customers that deal with medical imaging. They need memory, they need storage, and frequently they need to replace/upgrade it. Believe it or not, albeit some time ago, they loved the old MacBooks where the drive and memory could be replaced or upgraded by just removing the battery and a few screws. This could be done on a case by case needed basis. Some of the imaging for cancer patients could be quite intensive. They now can't use or rely on the "sleek and thin 'Pro' systems, because they're anything but!!!
But then again, what's more important....
...Kim Kardashian striking a pose for a tabloid magazine holding an ultra sleek, stylish looking, ultra thin MacBook Pro, or some, apparent, "throw away," whose trying to process images of a cancer patient. For some strange reason, pancreatic cancer comes to mind!
- We have an iPad that warps. Who knows how long it will be before such systems show damage, if they do, but for the price of the devices, this should be downright unacceptable. CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, ANYONE???
- For the sake of thinness, decent keyboards on laptops have been replaced with cheap feeling, clacking sounding, dysfunctional keyboards that aren't reliable. Most people find the keyboards quality in terms of "feel" quite inferior, not to mention the fact that they're unreliable. CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, ANYONE???
- Apparently some of the newer "extra thin" iPhones warp and bend if someone puts them in their pockets and put strain on them. The result can be logic board and/or display failure. CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, ANYONE???
- The new, ultra slim Mac notebooks, as well as some of the iMacs generally have RAM and SSD storage soldered into the the logic boards. RAM fails, not often, but it does. SSDs, unlike old HDDs can suffer from WRITE CYCLE DEPLETION. HDDs could suffer from mechanical damage and wear, but they were: a)replaceable and b)not limited by the number of writes the media takes. A typical user that writes the average number of bytes of data to and SSD, typically in small chunks, could likely go a decade without a problem with an SSD, but someone that writes gigabytes of single file data (think imaging or video) frequently can deplete the SSDs write cycles, sometimes in a year or two. The solution: Replace the logic board INSTEAD of buying parts that would typically cost less the $200. CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, ANYONE???
In my opinion, Jony Ive has been all about external appearance and appearance only. The thin, sleek, shiny objects he has designed are in direct opposition to devices that are functional, upgradable, and at least reasonably rugged. I don't expect "combat rugged units" to come from Apple, but an iPad shouldn't warp all on it's own, an iPhone shouldn't break because someone put it in their pocket, and a computer shouldn't need a complete logic board replacement because commonly replaceable components (such as RAM or SSDs) have failed. CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, ANYONE???
Some of Tim Cook's comments are likewise, not comforting. Anyone who pays attention to what he's said will remember his wisecrack about "why would anyone need a computer when there's an iPad" comment (paraphrased). This clearly tells me that the Cook/Ive team has no clue about hardware. They don't understand what professionals use it for (NO, Tim and Jony...Kim Kardashian, Bono, and Snoop Dog are NOT power users, and neither is the guy who makes 50 Facebook posts a day.) Our company has some customers that deal with medical imaging. They need memory, they need storage, and frequently they need to replace/upgrade it. Believe it or not, albeit some time ago, they loved the old MacBooks where the drive and memory could be replaced or upgraded by just removing the battery and a few screws. This could be done on a case by case needed basis. Some of the imaging for cancer patients could be quite intensive. They now can't use or rely on the "sleek and thin 'Pro' systems, because they're anything but!!!
But then again, what's more important....
...Kim Kardashian striking a pose for a tabloid magazine holding an ultra sleek, stylish looking, ultra thin MacBook Pro, or some, apparent, "throw away," whose trying to process images of a cancer patient. For some strange reason, pancreatic cancer comes to mind!
I can’t say Apple today seems like a company in a lot of trouble. Except if there is a perception a company’s execution less than a 100% is trouble. Steve Jobs didn’t meet that bar.
Just get the successor of the IPhone XS this year, I’m running on an X still and it’s an insanely nice device!!
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This is nonsense. I guess you didn’t read the Isaacson biography and how he behaved during the early days.
Did you think Apple had discovered an entirely new construction material?
Yeah, they discovered aluminium thanks to Jony Ive.
Well at least he'll profit off his crappy designs now. The problem with being a contractor is you're generally liable for faults.
Apple will make out on this like a bandit: "Oh, we've discovered that Ive's butterfly keyboard design is flawed due to Ive's Co, Inc. need for thinness. We are suing him for damages to Apple."
Apple will make out on this like a bandit: "Oh, we've discovered that Ive's butterfly keyboard design is flawed due to Ive's Co, Inc. need for thinness. We are suing him for damages to Apple."
But but ... who's going to say "al u min i um" in that particular British way now?? WHO??
Perception is also fundamental. You stated Apple DNA and nothing about Design DNA. Although Ive & Forstall designed products, Jobs only led design teams not designing himself of Apples products (patents aside regarding building). My quote of yours earlier showed no inference of Design just employees left from the Jobs era.
You should state clearly what you mean before assuming someone hasn’t read what you posted. You assume much that others would inference what you intended vs what you actually stated.
Sadly he will not be remembered for the good things he did in the first half of his career. Instead he will remembered for his form over functionality decisions (related to "thin" obsession) in the 2nd half of his career. These include removing home button and headphone jack, the butterfly keyboard, war on legacy ports, removal of Mag-safe, the useless "touch bar" on the laptops, etc.
If your idea of perfection is a blank white super thin piece of plastic (or metal), almost everything looks like a candidate for removal.
If your idea of perfection is a blank white super thin piece of plastic (or metal), almost everything looks like a candidate for removal.
Where did I read about Ive's new company having an actual presence, as in offices at Apple Park?
That his input to date will show in products for many years, and that Apple is client ONE from the start seems to get past people in some respect. This looks like the softest "Exit" in many respects.
Even Cook has stated something along the lines of "Looking forward to working with him for many years" Looks more like a sidestep that people in his position can make. He made quite a team over the years, so why not step aside? It looks like he's not going anywhere for quite some time in my view. Not drawing a check from Apple next year? Darn, I hope he can afford the power bill in either country where he lives
That his input to date will show in products for many years, and that Apple is client ONE from the start seems to get past people in some respect. This looks like the softest "Exit" in many respects.
Even Cook has stated something along the lines of "Looking forward to working with him for many years" Looks more like a sidestep that people in his position can make. He made quite a team over the years, so why not step aside? It looks like he's not going anywhere for quite some time in my view. Not drawing a check from Apple next year? Darn, I hope he can afford the power bill in either country where he lives
We've already seen the fruits of Ive's lesser involvement. Some good, some bad, but it's clear he's needed a break for a few years now - ref: the comment about being really tired after Apple Watch launch.
Starting a new company doesn't sound like reducing his workload, especially if Apple is his number one client. Apple has a design team, LoveFrom has… a design team? consultants? micromanagers? Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Thinness makes devices easier to handle. MacBooks of all flavours are thermal limited by Intel's design, not Apple's. iPhones are getting thicker (glass backs) because of the totally unnecessary wireless charging. We can only hope a more practical hand (Jeff Williams) from the Ops guy will steer a better course.
What's been overlooked is Williams is touted as the natural successor to Cook, when the time comes. If Williams proves himself 'a product guy' this will indeed be good training for the CEO role. Many will be happy to see 'a product guy' at the helm of Apple once again. Seeing how Williams takes the reins of the design team will be the more interesting thing to watch, for the future of Apple.
Starting a new company doesn't sound like reducing his workload, especially if Apple is his number one client. Apple has a design team, LoveFrom has… a design team? consultants? micromanagers? Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Thinness makes devices easier to handle. MacBooks of all flavours are thermal limited by Intel's design, not Apple's. iPhones are getting thicker (glass backs) because of the totally unnecessary wireless charging. We can only hope a more practical hand (Jeff Williams) from the Ops guy will steer a better course.
What's been overlooked is Williams is touted as the natural successor to Cook, when the time comes. If Williams proves himself 'a product guy' this will indeed be good training for the CEO role. Many will be happy to see 'a product guy' at the helm of Apple once again. Seeing how Williams takes the reins of the design team will be the more interesting thing to watch, for the future of Apple.
BS! Of course he’s gonna be remembered for his amazing design work, just like a Dieter Rams will always be remembered and will inspire generations of young designers.
All this hate about the so called obsession for thinness and the keyboard is a thing that mainly is discussed in these forums.
Good riddance hopefully Apple can see their miles behind Samsung in the rest of the bunch and get someone that can bring their phones up today and not two years behind everyone else.
So do I, as computers should be functional tools first and foremost not aesthetic toys as some need to get work done...
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Good riddance. I'm tired of this "designer" that has consistently put form before function. "Thin" is a lame pursuit if it means taking an other wise good product and making it unbearable to try and use. The keyboards on today's MacBooks are an absolute laughingstock, possibly the worst in the industry, and for what? Two millimeters saved on the thickness? And a giant trackpad that is so large that merely having hands in the normal typing position causes unwanted mouse movements when skin comes in contact with the pad, not to mention having made the action of pushing the trackpad a recipe for carpal tunnel syndrome. And that stupid bar at the top of the keyboard that takes unwanted key strikes just from having a finger glance it?
Is all of this considered "progress?"
I'm typing this on a 4-months-old 2018 MacBook Pro, a $4,000 machine that should be a joy to own but is instead a constant $4,000 reminder that Apple strayed too far with blind obedience to this "designer." Yes, it might be an elegant machine to look at, but those gorgeous advertisements never show the nightmare of the stupid dongles and adapters required just to connect it to all of the tech the customers currently own. A standard USB connection is not even close to being considered legacy technology, and the inclusion of not even a single USB-A port on the latest "Pro" line was a slap in the face. What's so "Pro" about needing to find a dongle or adapter every time to need to use a USB memory stick?
And how many millimeters were saved by not including an SD card reader on this current product line? Last time I checked, those SD cards were pretty thin already.
The only time I enjoy using this newest laptop of mine is when it is in desktop mode at home, connected to an external monitor with a USB mouse and keyboard. It is an absolute chore to use on the road.
So, yes, let's bid a very less than fond farewell to that idiot on his way out. Thanks for taking a great product line and making it terrible. I should get 2-3 years out of this machine before needing to replace it, so hopefully Apple gets back on track with some good sense to actually make a useable laptop again, even if it means (gasp!!) being slightly thicker. If not, I'll be switching to a Windows machine, and I say that as someone who very much does not like Windows...
Good riddance, Jony Ive. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you. Or do. I don't really care. Just go away.
Is all of this considered "progress?"
I'm typing this on a 4-months-old 2018 MacBook Pro, a $4,000 machine that should be a joy to own but is instead a constant $4,000 reminder that Apple strayed too far with blind obedience to this "designer." Yes, it might be an elegant machine to look at, but those gorgeous advertisements never show the nightmare of the stupid dongles and adapters required just to connect it to all of the tech the customers currently own. A standard USB connection is not even close to being considered legacy technology, and the inclusion of not even a single USB-A port on the latest "Pro" line was a slap in the face. What's so "Pro" about needing to find a dongle or adapter every time to need to use a USB memory stick?
And how many millimeters were saved by not including an SD card reader on this current product line? Last time I checked, those SD cards were pretty thin already.
The only time I enjoy using this newest laptop of mine is when it is in desktop mode at home, connected to an external monitor with a USB mouse and keyboard. It is an absolute chore to use on the road.
So, yes, let's bid a very less than fond farewell to that idiot on his way out. Thanks for taking a great product line and making it terrible. I should get 2-3 years out of this machine before needing to replace it, so hopefully Apple gets back on track with some good sense to actually make a useable laptop again, even if it means (gasp!!) being slightly thicker. If not, I'll be switching to a Windows machine, and I say that as someone who very much does not like Windows...
Good riddance, Jony Ive. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you. Or do. I don't really care. Just go away.