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The only thing I’m worried about is longevity. These Macs don’t seem to be upgradable in any way and I wonder how good they will perform in 5 or 10 years.

I own a 2008 iMac and still works kind of fine to this day. My A4 iPod is no longer usable.

LOL. You running a 13 year old computer, for Christ's sake. Really, try to upgrade if you can
 
The RAM is upgradable to 16gb. If you’re running Docker, Windows or video compositing that may be a little on the low side but even then it’s enough for most people.
Are you sure about this? It looks like the ram is built into the SOC. How would that work exactly, and I didn’t see any options on the order page for more than 8gb
 
I guess we expect sourgrapes for people who have bought the Intel Macbook Air and Pros this year. That is normal I guess, I had it too in previous purchases.
 
So, the only things that make the Pro a Pro are the touchbar and more weight? I can't imagine someone saying, yeah I really want a touchbar and I'm willing to pay $300 for it... and I really prefer a heavier laptop.:rolleyes:
The same chips can have dramatically different performance depending on the thermal profile and power. An i5 running in a MacBook Air does not perform the same as an i5 in a desktop, for example.
 
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This is welcome but I think they could promote even longer battery life if they maxed out the battery. Real world runtime is usually 1/2 the advertised amount under optimal scenario so by my calculations, double the battery would still be admittable on an airplane and bring true 24-hr battery life.
 
Are you sure about this? It looks like the ram is built into the SOC. How would that work exactly, and I didn’t see any options on the order page for more than 8gb
I just went through the order process and found the option for 16gb. You can't upgrade once you've bought it but you can order that option.
 
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Ooh, I missed that - where does it say that? That is indeed deal breaker.

The product specs page mentions it.


Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display at millions of colors and:
One external display with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz
 
With all this extra battery life, why not add cellular built in ? I was surprised by it missing this. Isn’t that the point of an always connected world and an optimized ARM chip?
 
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The product specs page mentions it.


Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display at millions of colors and:
One external display with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz
That’s quite crap.

Speaking of that page (and the store page), I don’t understand the difference between the storage options.

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Isn’t the right one just one of the Configurable to options in the left one? Why is it also a separate column?
 
Another nice advantage is you only need a 30W charger instead of the older 45W or 61W gigantic ones. You could use the Anker 30W Compact with these and travel very light.
 
That’s quite crap.

Speaking of that page (and the store page), I don’t understand the difference between the storage options.

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Isn’t the right one just one of the Configurable to options in the left one? Why is it also a separate column?

They’ve done that sort of thing in the past. Just a different starting point, and most people don’t customize beyond the pre-canned configurations.
 
That’s quite crap.

Speaking of that page (and the store page), I don’t understand the difference between the storage options.

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Isn’t the right one just one of the Configurable to options in the left one? Why is it also a separate column?
There are 2 basic versions that have a base amount of storage. In this case it looks like the difference is minor, in addition to the added 256 GB SSD, one additional GPU core (8 vs. 7). You can add additional storage to the lower end model, but it would cost you $50 more than selecting the higher model, and you get (apparently) slightly better GPU performance. So it's not a major difference but definitely select the right-side version if you want the extra storage anyway. The low end one really just exists so they can display a bare-bones low price, but it's almost never a good deal to choose it if you're not really strapped for cash.
 
Never touch a first gen product. Also, not enough RAM in the Pro, and battery life in all my Pros has been less than half, usually 1/3rd advertised. Also, there is no fixing these computers after warranty.
I don't know, I've had pretty good luck with first-gen Apple products. The original iPhone was really great in it's day and so was the original iPad.

I had the original 128K Macintosh. It was amazing and for me at least, reliable, used it for years. Had the first 233 MHz iMac and it too was fantastic...with the one exception of the hockey puck mouse, which I hated. Had the first generation G5 dual-core Power Mac from 2003, incredible machine that again, served me well for many years. Also had the original Pismo PowerBook G3 and titanium PowerBook G4 laptops...both great. Original Apple Aipods Pro...wonderful.

I can only speak for myself but I've bought a lot of first-generation Apple gear and nothing but good experiences with them. Yeah, of course there are things you wish they had and things that will certainly be added and improved later, but that's always the case.
 
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the people who bought MB Airs before will be happy as will those who bought the entry level Pro before ...
the folks you are talking about will get they new Macs next year ...
Where Apple is starting with this transition, and the target audience - makes total sense
I just ordered the new Air to replace my 2007 13" MacBook Pro. It'll be faster (probably by a lot since mine is only a dual-core), slightly lighter, and totally silent without a fan (big problem on the MBP). Additionally it'll have the more reliable scissor switch keyboard (although I personally haven't had a problem with the butterfly design) and the cherry on top of all that is way, WAY better battery life, like 2X...I'm lucky to get 4-6 hours on the MacBook Pro and that's on a good day.

The point is I'll be getting a big upgrade even by going down to a "lower level" machine.
 
I just ordered the new Air to replace my 2007 13" MacBook Pro. It'll be faster (probably by a lot since mine is only a dual-core), slightly lighter, and totally silent without a fan (big problem on the MBP). Additionally it'll have the more reliable scissor switch keyboard (although I personally haven't had a problem with the butterfly design) and the cherry on top of all that is way, WAY better battery life, like 2X...I'm lucky to get 4-6 hours on the MacBook Pro and that's on a good day.

The point is I'll be getting a big upgrade even by going down to a "lower level" machine.

Yes this should be the perspective.

If Apple released an Intel laptop today that is claiming to 3x faster, with 17 hours of battery life and called it their high-est end Macbook Pro, jaws will drop.

But suddenly its meh because it is not upgradeable as if Macbook Air has always been the king of upgradeability.
 
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Meh. Disappointed they didn't put an M1 in the 16" MBP. 13" is way to small to be productive on the go (when I don't have monitors). Will we have to wait till March or June for that upgrade? I hope by that time it's an M2 chip, because if it's no faster than the 13" but $4k more, it's kinda ridiculous.
 
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I just ordered the new Air to replace my 2007 13" MacBook Pro. It'll be faster (probably by a lot since mine is only a dual-core), slightly lighter, and totally silent without a fan (big problem on the MBP). Additionally it'll have the more reliable scissor switch keyboard (although I personally haven't had a problem with the butterfly design) and the cherry on top of all that is way, WAY better battery life, like 2X...I'm lucky to get 4-6 hours on the MacBook Pro and that's on a good day.

The point is I'll be getting a big upgrade even by going down to a "lower level" machine.

The real test comes when trying to load up all your software and doing everything you’re accustomed to doing. That’s the price of m1.

Apples stuff will probably be ok. You’re good with safari. But at some point you’ll actually need worthwhile software or want to connect devices. Photoshop? Sometime next year you may see a lite version of it. Some iPad crap may run on it.

Good luck.
 
Meh. Disappointed they didn't put an M1 in the 16" MBP. 13" is way to small to be productive on the go (when I don't have monitors). Will we have to wait till March or June for that upgrade? I hope by that time it's an M2 chip, because if it's no faster than the 13" but $4k more, it's kinda ridiculous.
I think it's a pretty good bet there will be a different chip (new one or a variant of the M1) for the higher-level MBP. Will need at least 6 and probably 8 high-performance cores, capability to use at least 32 GB of RAM, and a beefier GPU (maybe 16 GPU cores). There's no way they're going to give some minor bump to these M1 machines and sell it at that level, there's no going back. It's going to be a beast.

That said, I just ordered the new Air and it's going to be great for everyday use. Will wait for an Apple Silicon Mac Pro for the heavy lifting, although the new Mac Mini looks pretty nice in the mid range. There have been rumors about a smaller-sized Mac Pro, I could see this being an M1X or M2 (or whatever) chip (the one they'll use in the 15"-16" MacBook Pro) shoved into a small Mac Pro style case, that would be very appealing for desktop use, although it is squeezing the product line a bit between the Mini and full-sized Mac Pro so not sure it'll happen. Essentially this is the place where the iMac Pro sits now but it seems a one-and-done product destined for obsolescence.
 
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