Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
interesting! What specific problems did you have, and for which applications?
I had two SSDs connected over night for a Time Machine backup. Woke up and one was no longer visible to MacOS- I had to use recovery software to even see the disk. This happened twice with different drives.
 
This one?


The CIRP data? Please. Their sampling likely has problems. If look at Amazon sales ranking or BHPhoto or public retailer that will show unit ranking these unit volume rankings don't add up. Those are folks who sell products. CIRP doesn't sell product. And really opaque how they are doing sampling.


The Mac Pro outselling the Mini and Studio combined ... isn't particularly creditable.

Recent Apple presentation said that the MBA 15" is the best selling 15" laptop from anybody.... (coupled to best selling MBA 13" ) and yet MBP sales are outpacing MBA sales. ( the MBP 13 moved up to the substantially higher prices MBP 14" and it sold lots more? Err. really? )


Similarly, last WWDC, the head of Apple marketing at Gruber's meeting makes remark about 'phenomenal' mini sales. And yet CRIP says there are a huge disaster.

Every time Apple gives broad hints at what is the best selling Macs ... CIRP's predictions don't match up. So Apple doesn't know what they are selling? Probably not.

Maybe their sampling for iPhone is better, but their Mac stuff don't much up with either Apple's revenues nor Apple statements.
You can see I questioned the same data too, as it seemed suspicious.
 
The suggestion that Mac Pros outsell Studios and Minis combined 3:2, in unit sales or in terms of revenue or profit, seems ludicrous. 10 years ago I knew companies that purchased Mac Pros, but not now. Who the hell is buying them?! I'd have been less surprised if Apple said they only sold 1,000 a year...
 
For anyone who wants a 27" or larger iMac, I hear a very strong rumor that it will be released exactly 15 days after I bite the bullet and buy an M4 Pro Mac Mini with a Studio Display. You're welcome.
Don't even bother getting it out of the box--just buy it, and return it as soon as they've dropped the big ones!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tdude96
No one is buying the new iMac. I haven't seen 1 in person yet outside of an Apple Store. It has to be the biggest flop ever.

Due to the low sales, they will continue to push it until they sell some before they release a newer model with a bigger screen and hopefully new colors that aren't made for Nickelodeon.

Apple is following the Microsoft and Android business model. Zero changes, zero innovation, just release faster processors every year. That is exactly why Steve Jobs was able to take over the industry and the market. Innovation, low prices, a 1 on 1 relationship with the customers at the store.
 
Because Macs look kinda bad on 4k displays, and it becomes more obvious once you've seen one on a 5k display. Guess what? Hardly anyone makes 5k displays except Apple, and the other options are almost as expensive as the Studio Display with lower quality everything. No, if you do graphical work and you want to experience Macs as Apple intended you need a Studio Display or else you're somewhat compromising.

Sure it's not the end of the world if you don't buy the Studio Display but it's almost the same situation with buying an iPad Air vs the Pro, you don't need ProMotion but boy once you have it it's really hard to go back.
What are you saying? The Studio Display is not necessary for graphical work. Many graphic designers work on the Mac Pro because the company provides it for them. Your every day person in that field of work isn't spending $5,000 on a stupid computer or $1,500 on a monitor.

I know many that use the iMac Pro with a regular iMac side by side. Now if you were comparing it to a $150 HP monitor I'd understand, but to say a $1,500 monitor is necessary is completely BS.
 
Apple is following the Microsoft and Android business model. Zero changes, zero innovation, just release faster processors every year. That is exactly why Steve Jobs was able to take over the industry and the market. Innovation, low prices, a 1 on 1 relationship with the customers at the store.
Apple "innovation" has always been relentless iteration on a new product category, so I don't understand why anyone here is expecting Apple to basically reinvent the wheel ever so often. They don't work that way, nor does technology improve anywhere near-quickly enough, and it would be extremely wasteful to throw out everything you have learnt in chase of the next thing. Especially when consumers themselves are not changing desktop computers every 2 years anyways.

So every year, Apple releases an update that is a little bit better in every year compared to the previous iteration. By themselves, each change doesn't seem like much on paper, but they all tend to add up to result in a fairly notable improvement year over year.

We see it with the iPhone, the iPad, the Apple Watch, AirPods, even more so the Mac and I feel it makes sense.
 
No one is buying the new iMac. I haven't seen 1 in person yet outside of an Apple Store. It has to be the biggest flop ever.

Due to the low sales, they will continue to push it until they sell some before they release a newer model with a bigger screen and hopefully new colors that aren't made for Nickelodeon.

Apple is following the Microsoft and Android business model. Zero changes, zero innovation, just release faster processors every year. That is exactly why Steve Jobs was able to take over the industry and the market. Innovation, low prices, a 1 on 1 relationship with the customers at the store.
Since it is a desktop computer, you are much less likely to see it unless you happen to go to someone's house. Businesses mostly just buy laptops now, so you wouldn't see any at work.
 
What are you saying? The Studio Display is not necessary for graphical work. Many graphic designers work on the Mac Pro because the company provides it for them. Your every day person in that field of work isn't spending $5,000 on a stupid computer or $1,500 on a monitor.

I know many that use the iMac Pro with a regular iMac side by side. Now if you were comparing it to a $150 HP monitor I'd understand, but to say a $1,500 monitor is necessary is completely BS.
Hardly any professional graphic designers need a Mac Pro, but a $1500 Studio Display is an easy expense to justify and not that hard to justify, either.
 
Since it is a desktop computer, you are much less likely to see it unless you happen to go to someone's house. Businesses mostly just buy laptops now, so you wouldn't see any at work.
I remember the heyday of the iMac. Back when Steve was in charge, all you had to do was walk down the street and you'd see people carrying their G3s around with them, setting up a G4 in the park to get some work done, etc. Better times.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Tagbert
Wouldn't it be exciting if Apple announced M4 iMac and M4 Mac Mini to show off MacOS 15 at WWDC 2024? The M3 iMac was announced Oct 30th 2023, so it's possible IMHO. With the M4 iPad, Apple likely needs something to juice sales of Macs instead of later or towards the end of 2024.
 
I remember the heyday of the iMac. Back when Steve was in charge, all you had to do was walk down the street and you'd see people carrying their G3s around with them, setting up a G4 in the park to get some work done, etc. Better times.

I think you’re misremembering slightly. Steve was CEO between 1997 and 2011. The iMac G3 only existed for a little over three of those years, and the G4 for even shorter.

They were iconic designs, but they weren’t really around for that long, and their sales paled compared to how Macs sell today.

For example, in 1999, they sold 1.8 million iMacs, and 2.9 million Macs total. In 2023, they sold 21.9 million Macs total.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Chuckeee
What are you saying? The Studio Display is not necessary for graphical work. Many graphic designers work on the Mac Pro because the company provides it for them. Your every day person in that field of work isn't spending $5,000 on a stupid computer or $1,500 on a monitor.

I know many that use the iMac Pro with a regular iMac side by side. Now if you were comparing it to a $150 HP monitor I'd understand, but to say a $1,500 monitor is necessary is completely BS.
I never said it was necessary To do graphical work, I said it was necessary for graphical work on a Mac environment as Apple intended because their OS is specifically designed for those displays. I also summed up in my last sentence that it’s not the end of the world to not have one, but once you do work on their very nice displays, going back to something else is just awful.

Also, to respond to another post you made, I have one of the new iMacs which I use for work. You’ll never see one because it’s a desktop computer, but I’m sure there’s plenty of graphic designers, creators and marketers (like me) that have one. I don’t think I’ll ever buy one again though, unless Apple starts allowing us to use them as displays for Mac minis.
 
Seems like a desperate keypost.

Desktop computers are slowly dying out.

But there is not a fundamental need for them anymore.

All the computer most people need now fits in their pocket.
Amazing statements. I bought my second desktop ever after a twenty-five year gap and have been so utterly happy about it. The affordable large screen real estate provided by a third-party monitor and the silence and honestly power of even my Mac Mini are wonderful, my artistic work has gotten better and more efficient than during my laptop-only days.

Let me assure you there is absolutely a need for desktop computing for many, many people.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JimmyG and Tdude96
Amazing statements. I bought my second desktop ever after a twenty-five year gap and have been so utterly happy about it. The affordable large screen real estate provided by a third-party monitor and the silence and honestly power of even my Mac Mini are wonderful, my artistic work has gotten better and more efficient than during my laptop-only days.

Let me assure you there is absolutely a need for desktop computing for many, many people.
I don't think there's room for me to drop having a desktop anytime soon. The only benefits a laptop offers are portability and a battery in the event power is disrupted. Everything else is a drawback. Laptops have their place, certainly, otherwise I wouldn't own one and have another couple for work. But they're no replacement for a solid desktop.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JimmyG
I don't think there's room for me to drop having a desktop anytime soon. The only benefits a laptop offers are portability and a battery in the event power is disrupted. Everything else is a drawback. Laptops have their place, certainly, otherwise I wouldn't own one and have another couple for work. But they're no replacement for a solid desktop.
Yes, that protection was needed during a disruption last month and I was reminded how laptops are covered in that situation. Thankfully, my backup battery/surge protector kept it going for awhile and I could safely shut it down (power went out when I was running to the grocery store).
 
Since it is a desktop computer, you are much less likely to see it unless you happen to go to someone's house. Businesses mostly just buy laptops now, so you wouldn't see any at work.
Yet I constantly see prior iMac models. How come does didn't vanish according to your logic?

I literally have been to businesses that have 20 iMacs and none are the new ones. Oh, they also provide MacBooks to some if needed on TOP of the desktop.
 
Yet I constantly see prior iMac models. How come does didn't vanish according to your logic?

I literally have been to businesses that have 20 iMacs and none are the new ones. Oh, they also provide MacBooks to some if needed on TOP of the desktop.
All I see at businesses are laptops, these days.
 
Laptops draw less power and are more suitable to hot desk scenarios, and of course meetings.
Yea, at our offices, it’s all laptops, about half Macs. Desks are “hoteled” and each one has a single widescreen monitor.

Even when I go to clients, all I see are laptops these days.
 
Apple, when will we see next gen 32" 6K parts come down in price & come to M4? I want to replace my 2012 iMac 27" 2.5K.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JimmyG
Hello!
I am wondering if there will be an 32 GB RAM option in the M4 iMac.
I need those 32 GB for VFX and I want the iMac's AIO form factor and price tag, compared to a future iMac Pro.
What are your thoughts and predictions?
Thanks!
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.