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not sure what I am going to do when my 2011 peters out

Still getting great service out of my 2011 as well, and I think that's the problem. Apple's Macs across the line, from roughly 2009-2012, were more solid than many rocks; they remain both useable and genuinely useful years and years on. Before that, my average Windows/Linux laptop lasted two years or less; my 2009 MBP's network chip just died, so I'm looking to replace it soon. Not happy with what I see in the current MB"P" line.
 
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Still getting great service out of my 2011 as well, and I think that's the problem. Apple's Macs across the line, from roughly 2009-2012, were more solid than many rocks; they remain both useable and genuinely useful years and years on. Before that, my average Windows/Linux laptop lasted two years or less; my 2009 MBP's network chip just died, so I'm looking to replace it soon. Not happy with what I see in the current MB"P" line.

You are doing an unfair comparison. These laptops died typically due to GPU failures which was a nightmare back then.
 
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Guys, you’re not thinking this through! In 2015 Apple decreased the size of the SSD part in a 1TB Fusion Drive from 128GB down to merely 24GB. Customers of the 2014 Mac mini can be lucky to still get five times the flash storage of what’s build into the new iMacs of the last two years. Yes, Apple screwed us with the soldered RAM, but they are not finished screwing us over some more in the future.

I’m a lucky owner of a Black Friday 2012 Mac mini (500GB HD, 4GB RAM) which I upgraded myself to 2TB Fusion Drive and 8GB RAM. Never again this much storage space will be available in an entry level machine. The whole point of Fusion Drive is to be the cheapest combination of size and speed. But Apple’s idea of a 2TB Mac now starts at 1.249,00 EUR with display, keyboard and trackpad not included.

I’m not waiting for a Mac mini update, because I know the offer will ****.
 
Personally I'm disappointed with Apple. I have had 3 Minis to-date and the latest is a 2011 which I upgraded the RAM to 8gb and installed a OWC 256 SSD. It is still a nice fast machine, however would love to see one that supports 4K. Unfortunately I'm a Drafting Tech so I still need a windows machine capable of running AutoCAD. I could run AutoCAD in a VM like Fusion or Parallels but the duel core 4th Gen. Intel chip in the 2011 Mini is just not able to keep up IMHO. I would like to move to a 5K iMac but then I would need $2,000.00. Just wait and see what they have in the pipeline I guess. I really don't get how Apple can't upgrade these machines on a regular basis, it seems to me like a no brainer.
 
I have a 2012 Quad Core Mac Mini. I've been considering selling it, as I use it basically as a NAS and that's it. On the flip side, it's a pretty dam good NAS.


Same here. I snagged a refurb one in 2014 and immediately hooked it up to my 50" plasma as a media center. I still have the 500GB spinner and 4 GB of ram in it which I keep telling myself I was going to upgrade but really it's fine for a media center as is.
 
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What a huge disappointment Apple. I love my Mac Mini at home and I really want to buy a new Mini and continue to use my monitors, keyboard and mouse. It literally would be simple to make the guts of the Mac Mini the same as one of the Macbooks or one of the iMacs. Not difficult at all. My concern is they are playing a political game to get sales of the existing Macs and are purposefully delaying the mini. Why? By delaying you are just hurting the consumer low end market, neglecting that market longer can hurt you. I think many people in the low budget market will by a PC rather than wait for an updated mini. Do it now Apple!
 
That's what I was thinking also. The only reason they could neglect their Macs is because they were trying to switch to ARM processors. That was two years ago, so no ARM processors and the mini and Mac Pros are still stale.

Yep, I also believe that they tried to even get more profit out of us customers. Switching to ARM on desktop is an interesting idea, but it's not the solution most customers want and need. A decent priced desktop Mac capable of running a x86-Windows VM. That's not really hard to make. They earn billions but can't make a server hardware or desktop? What a shame.
If my old Mac Pro finally dies, I either switch to a hackintosh or toss MacOS/Apple - which I use since my Apple ][. Linux made great progress over the last 10 years, I use Linux on one of my laptop for several years now. I don't need Adobe, so I'm free to switch.
 
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Apple needs to kill off these relics and simplify its product lines.

Kill of the Mac Mini, iPad Mini, MacBook Air, iPhone 6s, Apple TV (non-4K) and the iPod touch along with a bunch of cables and accessories no one ever buys (in-ear Apple earphones that have existed for donkeys, 30-pin cables etc.)


By killing off the Mini Apple will not have any desktop computer(non-all-in-one) for under $3,000. It's seems ridiculous to not even offer that but I agree there seems to be little interest for it.
[doublepost=1508335330][/doublepost]Generally Macs desktop line is only doable now if you buy right when Apple releases them. If you bought a decked out nMP 3.5-4 years ago it's not too bad as those computers should be lasting you for a long time. Same thing with the Mini, buying a 2014 model should last you a while. The real trouble comes when people try to upgrade between the product cycles and because they keep extending these cycles its causing more and more of an issue for more people. Someone with a 2010 Mac Pro is basically in a no win situation as they didn't upgrade to the nMP in late 2013/early 2014 so the are dealing with ancient hardware as the only option for OSX.
 
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Sad. I've found computers in the trash that are faster than it. It was a good product until the 2014 screwup that somehow made it SLOWER than the 2012 models.
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I gave up. Mac Pro is the only desktop option now, and you've gotta buy an old one unless you want to pay a lot extra and not be able to upgrade it. As a bonus, you can buy Jobs-era ones in case you're doubting the build quality of Apple nowadays.

Gotta replace my Mac I bought in 2012. I'll soon have a used 2009 Mac Pro for $100 (unusually good deal) and upgrade it to 12 cores of 5670 processors for another ~$70 (typical deal). It'll be the fifth fastest* Mac on Geekbench, behind the latest top-of-the-line iMac (i7-7700K) and three high-end 2012-2013 Mac Pros. I'll move in my old parts, maybe add an extra SSD. This should hold me over until I get my rMBP dock stuff sorted out in a few years.

* in terms of multi-core CPU performance

That’s what I did too. I just have the single socket (which is easier to upgrade since the two socket 2009s use lidless CPUs), but with the extras I’ve added, it’s absolutely fast enough for me. Something more modern might save more energy, but my MP sleeps most of the day. I think you’ll be very happy when you are all done, and you can have a ludicrous amount of RAM on those 2 sockets with x-series Xeons.
 
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I think that if apple refresh the mini with the latest tech like coffee lake. The wait will be well worth it. Or who knows they might put a zen in it.
 
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“On that I’ll say the Mac Mini is an important product in our lineup and we weren’t bringing it up because it’s more of a mix of consumer with some pro use. … The Mac Mini remains a product in our lineup, but nothing more to say about it today.”

That sounds like the same thing he'd tell you if you asked him about the AirPort Extreme or Time Capsule.
 
I wonder what they do with their billions in profit every year. How hard is to come up with a new Mac?
What do you have your 100,000+ staff doing everyday? Even if you have a 1/50 of your staff working on the Mac thats still 2000 people...
 
I wonder what they do with their billions in profit every year. How hard is to come up with a new Mac?
What do you have your 100,000+ staff doing everyday? Even if you have a 1/50 of your staff working on the Mac thats still 2000 people...
They'll start buying countries and invalidating all of their competitors patents in those countries. ;)
 
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Apple is having a difficult time trying to stuff the Mini guts into a Apple TV case. However once done this new Mini will be even smaller and only cost $200 more!!!!

I really don't see what the problem is and why it's taking them so long. Intel just released the newest NUC, which has Kaby Lake (Intel 7th Gen Core) processor, an M.2 slot for a blazing fast SSD, 2 SODIMM slots for up to 32GB of dual-channel memory, Gigabit Ethernet port, 802.11ac WiFi + Bluetooth, HDMI 2.0, 7.1 sound (with audio jack), USB C port (supporting Thunderbolt 3, USB 3.1, DisplayPort 1.2), plus 4 standard USB 3 ports. All of that is in a 4.5 x 4.3 x 2 inch form factor! How is it that Intel is able to outdo Apple in form factor?!? And it looks great too!

If Apple lets us all down by continuing to delay a new Mac Mini then I might have no choice but to buy one of those NUCs and go the Hackintosh route. After all, I ponied up for a 30" Apple Thunderbolt display a few years ago and I don't intend to throw that away when I need more desktop horsepower.
 
I see a couple of scenarios:

1) Generally when an Apple product goes neglected this long, it's for the chop. It's a reasonably priced, low volume and probably low margin Mac so they're not going to be particularly interested in investing R&D into it.

2) However sometimes they do have a long gap when they're trying something new. Perhaps the first ARM based Mac, with a more locked-down system (e.g. Mac App Store only, no downloaded applications) so that the money they don't make from the tight margin is replaced with app store revenue.

Could be, but seems like a lose-lose for all of us Mac mini fans.

I think a lot of Mac Mini and Mac Pro buyers don't want either machine, they want the non-existant "Mac" - a mid-level desktop with no built in monitor.

I ended up buying a 2017 27" iMac to replace my 2006 Mac Pro, but I really hate the all-in-one concept (especially with no Target Display Mode).

Yes, that would be ideal (heck, the current Mac Pro would be fine if it had TB3 and cost a bit less). But, just something like the 2012 Mini with current processor and ports would be just fine.

I also agree with the rest of what you said about the iMac. I had one, but sold it as I don't want a single-use display. It's great for most people, I suppose.

Apple is really leaving us computer enthusiasts (who don't use iOS) no choice but to Hackintosh or leave the platform altogether.
This is getting ridiculous.
I'm serious, why stay?

Because the grass isn't greener. :( If it were, I'd be long gone.

Does Apple really have that much power over your life? Why do you willingly give a tech company that much power?

If Chevrolet does not offer an automobile that meets my needs, I would look at other automobile manufacturers and find one that does.

I don't, but what's the alternative? There are only two viable choices, and the other had plenty of problems too. What we're here screaming about, is seeing the one option that used to be pretty much truly a great option, degrade so rapidly.

As others have noted, the analogy doesn't hold, as in the automotive world, there are a ton of choices and the switch is easy. That isn't the case with computers and OSs.

Do they sell enough SE iphones? I hope it doesn’t go the way of the mac mini. I tried to find a used SE and there are almost none for sale in my area. 6 and 7s? Lots.

The problem is that the way they rigged it, they won't know. They made the SE the high-end-budget device instead of the 'good form factor' device. So, if it sells a lot, they'll conclude it's because of the lower price. If it doesn't sell that well, they'll conclude people want the main iPhone line as is.

You're right but as far as Im aware. Majority of the apps and other things work fine on Windows including iTunes just as they do on MacOS.

It's about so much more than that, though. Workflow, UI/UX, etc. and yes, sometimes specific apps that aren't available.

I wonder what they do with their billions in profit every year. How hard is to come up with a new Mac?
What do you have your 100,000+ staff doing everyday? Even if you have a 1/50 of your staff working on the Mac thats still 2000 people...

Poo emojis, Car Karaoke, Apple Car, 'space ship' buildings....
There are just so many more important things to do if you don't care about the Mac any longer.
 
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