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Man I'd love a small form factor M1 Max Duo.
It would be the perfect set-up for me as I work with motion graphics, but no insane hollywood-style compositing.
That said I'll probably stick to the M1 Max Mac Mini Pro for now, and I may upgrade to a better computer next year.
 
Man I'd love a small form factor M1 Max Duo.
It would be the perfect set-up for me as I work with motion graphics, but no insane hollywood-style compositing.
That said I'll probably stick to the M1 Max Mac Mini Pro for now, and I may upgrade to a better computer next year.

As my sig shows, I am also awaiting a M1 Max Mac mini (Pro)...

But when the second (or maybe even third) gen of ASi Mac Pro desktops hit the market, I will be hoping for a Mac Pro Cube with a dual (or maybe even a quad) SoC configuration...!
 
Anyone paying attention to the whole "GPU integrated into the SoC" format that the M1-series (low-end/Pro/Max/whatever) has been pushing will know discrete GPUs are (most likely) a thing of the past...

Smart that you did at least table that with a "(most likely)"

We still need to "see it" for sure
 
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I'm excited to get one! Hopefully they'll have a really great Mac Pro option in the $2,000-$4,000 range this time...

Haha! Add a zero to those. This is APPLE INC.

Else, if you are feeling lucky, add a zero and then divide the numbers by 2.

My guess: iMac Pro is a real thing that is going to return and re-fill the Mac price range of about $5K-$10K. Mac Pro Jr. is probably going to be a notch up from there and then Mac Pro is probably going be right up in about your range... with that added zero.

However, I'll hope with you. Superpower at MBpro pricing would be terrific.
 
As my sig shows, I am also awaiting a M1 Max Mac mini (Pro)...

But when the second (or maybe even third) gen of ASi Mac Pro desktops hit the market, I will be hoping for a Mac Pro Cube with a dual (or maybe even a quad) SoC configuration...!
Considering that a 1TB, M1 Max 32 Core 64GB RAM Mac Mini Pro would be very expensive (I'd also plan to get the rumoured middle-tier apple display), I'll just stick with it while I save money with work.
I might eventually graduate to the next generation of pro chips (M2 Max Quadra?) when the time comes.
It's not outside of this world to think Apple upgrading the mac pro to the M2 generation once the pro chips will come (I expect this happening by spring 2023)
 
Two separate CPU architectures in one system...? Not gonna happen...

All Intel Macs with a T2 are essentially that, though. It's basically a full-featured A10 with less GPU cores, according to Wikipedia.

While I don't expect Apple to go that route, it's not in the realm of impossibility that they would expand on that concept and further continue the hybrid route with a more powerful T* chip (if not an actual M* chip) that gets to do more tasks.
 
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The Trashcan is cool and all, but I would rather see an ASi Mac Pro Cube, following in the footsteps of the G4 Cube and the NeXT Cube...!

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Put some 2021 ASi MBP-style feet under there, just to raise it up ever-so-slightly and give a nice shadow line; something like a 200mm Noctua fan (chromax black, thx) intaking from the front 3D venting & exhausting out the back, blowing thru a 2019 Intel Mac Pro-style heatsink on the SoCs...

Mac mini-style PSU (just taller & more output) up one side of the chassis, double-sided main logic board up the other; mobo has NVMe M.2 slots for SSD expansion on backside of mobo...

Maybe a couple of half-length single-slot PCIe slots in there; end user could run RAID/networking/capture/PCIe expansion chassis cards from there...?
 
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For comparison between the two; and yeah, the original from MacRumors is way too large...!

And fi Apple were to keep the feet & handles, those could also be scaled down in size/mass...
 
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I would love a smaller Mac Pro for those that want a more modular computer where you can upgrade the hard drive (hopefully), RAM, and CPU and get it to last a few more years than the typical iMac. And get a nice screen and keep it separate. iMacs are nice but no ability to upgrade anything really.
 
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I would love a smaller Mac Pro for those that want a more modular computer where you can upgrade the hard drive (hopefully), RAM, and CPU and get it to last a few more years than the typical iMac. And get a nice screen and keep it separate. iMacs are nice but no ability to upgrade anything really.
Never going to happen.

Apple is moving to sealed devices.
 
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My 2 cents:

New Mini will be smaller and "less pro" and some will be unhappy.

Pro iMac will have a notch.

New Mac Pro will be Intel.
 
Most rack mounted ARM servers are dark colors for the front panel not silver. But this example shows how silver could look like if Apple moves to sell a rack based Mac Pro server.

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They could also just pick up where they left with the Xserve:

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The current Mac Pro has a 5U rack mount version, which can be used in headless configuration.

 
The current Mac Pro has a 5U rack mount version, which can be used in headless configuration.

Yes I know that. It's still too big. A 1U rack mount case is huge when you consider how much of a AS SoC design they could incorporate into that space.
 
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The title should read "What we believe". There is no knowledge. It will not be a refresh either, it will be completely different device.

At any rate, this will be very interesting to follow. Which technological path they will take and what markets they will address.
 
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Nope I think Apple could easily make 1U rack models given the size (width, depth). The Mac Pro in that representation is using just shy of 5U.

Not easily make with the same motherboard. This rack model is just rotated 90 and a new container built for essentially all the same internal components.

The hard part would be getting another motherboard "green lit" as a project with relatively small volume. The XServe disappeared because Jobs said "Nobody was buying". That is probably not literal, but on the weekly dashboard of Mac sales the Apple execs do if the pie chart slice so small you can't see it ... that amounts to "nobody". Apple isn't run like Dell/HP/Lenovo.

The Mac Pro 2009-2012 was "rack hostile" with the handles getting in the way of rotating and inserting into a standard width rack. This 2019 "rack option" is mostly just an option of a better optimized container for the horizontal position. Other than that it isn't trying to be a different product. There is a use-case where folks put Mac Pros into equipment bays , utility carts , etc. The racking here is just to enable that. (same target group that wants several cards , but mounted horizontal. Mostly this is not super hard core data center temple folks. More ruggedized Macs than trying to fit in next to the Mainframe. Similar for the sky high priced wheels for the tower version. Folks rolling it from place to place. )

Similarly, the Mac Pro 2009-2012 had a CPU tray not so much because Apple worships at the alter of ultra-modularity , but so that they could do a single socket and dual socket versions with one shared logic board and chassis. Apple didn't want to build multiples. Apple isn't out to build everything for everybody with dozens of Mac products to choose from.


macOS isn't trying to be a scale out pizza box operating system. So not sure who these 1U models would really be gear too. Likely some of the first complaints will be that it doesn't have dual , hot swappable power supplies. Can't native boot VMware VSphere/ESXi ... etc. etc.


As far as microserver density ....

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https://www.macstadium.com/virtualization

23 Mini per shelf. 10 shelves ... 230 Macs per rack side. Double sides that 460. 1U pizza boxes isn't going to beat that. Granted a bit abnormal tall.
[ standard 42U rack would if had double Max count SoC , that would be 84 and two side-by-side => 168. Still several hundred of that 460 mark. Even at 3 x 42 = 126 1Us. ]

If put a M1 Max in each of those , then that 460 Max's in a rack. That is probably enough for a sizable number of folks and workloads.


If the "half sized" Mac Pro shaved off half the box height, then they could fix two 5U on custom slider mount that took two side by side. In a 42U rack, they could get up to get in 16 systems instead of 8. If had need for a set of systems with dual socket 40GbE and a large inerternal SSD those would probably be "good enough" for a decent number of folks.

As a 1U that is out to displace generic Supermicro , Inspur , Dell , HP 1U boxes running some non-MacOS hypervisor on bare-metal , I highly doubt Apple is interested in that.



Apple could design larger models though. Since we haven't seen how Apple is implementing non-intel cooling such as ARM its will be interesting to see how small Mac Pros are when transitioned.

the size of the "Mac Pro" box is probably more going to be driven by which and how many PCI-e cards they want to throw out the "supported" window. If it is 'all of them' then the that 3-stack-mini would be about the right size.
If throwing out true full length and aux powered cards then can shrink each dimension of the current MP 2019 case.

If they are trying to hold onto the full height , full length cards ( e.g. a large multiple M.2 SSD holder RAID card. ) that will be at least as large ( or bigger ) constraint that the cooling issue. Although 4 x 85W => 340W would not be a "laptop like" thermal problem.

Is there a gap between a Mac Pro and Mini for servers? Yes. Is it big enough for Apple to do yet another product? Probably not. Apple is not going to be poor house if they skip that product.
 
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The irony is that all the enterprise grade electrical engineering software that Apple uses to design and simulate their PCB and chip hardware runs on Intel so if they get completely rid of Intel Macs they will have to buy PCs from Dell, HP etc. or build custom PCs to run the engineering software to design their own products.
There is no irony at all. Macs are well behind in lots of areas such as engineering software and especially specialised software for running instruments and fabrication machinery of various kinds. A pro choses the computer that can do the job and that is Win PC in most cases. Remove Windows and the world would literally stop. Remove MacOS, nothing significant will happen to our daily life.
 
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