Apple's Mac Sales Drop in Q4 2018 Amid Worldwide PC Shipment Decline

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  1. dominiongamma macrumors 65816

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    With outdated specs and higher prices can’t blame people.
     
  2. calzon65 macrumors 6502a

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    Love IOS on my iPhone and iPad, but I still use Windows 10 on my computer. I know MacOS has been innovative but Windows 10 ain't that bad.
     
  3. Icaras macrumors 603

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    Wow, that name is just...blah.
     
  4. coolX macrumors member

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    so many exciting pc laptops at CES. apple's designs look old and outdated by comparison. somebody has got to do something to punch things up.
     
  5. Handsome Bacon macrumors regular

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    I bit the bullet and bought a spec'd out 15" MBP a few weeks back. My mid 2012 was working great but I use mine with AE at times and it was agonizingly slow. Their prices are ridiculous.

    Now I get random kernel panics, the machine tried twice to set itself on fire in my laptop bag (fans running full speed after I put it to "sleep"), it randomly shuts down, I get occasional audio drop outs with my audio interface...and that's in two weeks. I don't mind the touchpad, though, I just wish it worked with Ableton.
     
  6. magicschoolbus macrumors 65816

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    These prices are killing the Mac line. But that’s what Tim Cook wants.

    The new design is also plagued with problems.
     
  7. oneMadRssn macrumors 601

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    As someone who uses a Lenovo Thunkpad X1 for work and wants to throw it out the window at least 4 times per day, don't.

    I don't know if it's the hardware (Core i7, 16GB ram, 256GB SSD) or the operating system (Windows 10), but it's a piece of crap compared most Macbooks I have ever used. Frankly I don't care why it sucks, because all that matters is that it sucks. I would literally take a pay cut if it meant I could use a Macbook Pro instead.
     
  8. Breaking Good macrumors 65816

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    This is pure speculation on my part. But I can't help but wonder if Apple might just spin off the Mac division of the company into a separate business. Laptops and desktops have become passé now that the smartphone and to a lesser extent the tablet have become the new "personal computer".

    You can argue all you want about the Mac being Apple's heritage. But Apple didn't hesitate at all to kill the iPod once it was obvious that sales were on the wane.

    Apple will not continue to invest money into a declining product line.
     
  9. cppguy macrumors 6502

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    I'm ready for a high-end iMac, but no refresh means no sale. I'm currently on the first gen 5K iMac, and the GPU is getting long in the tooth. But no way I'm buying a June 2017 machine. I could get a 5K monitor, Mac mini + eGPU, but it would cost more than an iMac Pro. The iMac Pro is an overkill with its Xeon CPU and ECC RAM.

    The lack of frequent refresh definitely puts people into a permanent state of waiting. I don't know if they're going to redesign the iMac, with smaller chin, maybe OLED/MicroLED display, but at least a 6-core CPU and a Vega 64 GPU is necessary. Now not everyone is going to buy it fully loaded, but refreshing once every leap year still doesn't help Apple.
     
  10. falainber macrumors 65816

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    The only difference between the two is the user base and if we were to go on the basis of your post I am not sure what the conclusion should be.
     
  11. cppguy macrumors 6502

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    You are talking about the most basic consumers. As long as I can't open two Word documents side-by-side, the iPad is not a viable alternative. No mouse, and no file system, not even a simple Documents directory, and all photos and movies piled in a single folder. Sorry, no way. At the minimum, give us project folders, access to external drives, and FinalCut for iPad, so we can start doing rough editing on an airplane, and pick up the job later at home.

    Computers will be needed for a very long time to come, because the mouse and keyboard is the preferred productivity environment for anything except watching Youtube. The iPhone is declining as well, especially at that price. A few years old iPad works just as well (or just as bad) as the new one.

    iOS needs to be updated with at least the following: basic file system, external drives, two of the same apps side-by-side, a bunch of Pro apps. Not everybody can be satisfied with browsing Instagram and playing Candy Crash all day long.
     
  12. Freida macrumors 65816

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    Same here, I'm waiting for an update to buy as I can't stand this 15" MBP. Too small etc.
    I won't go as extreme as PC but perhaps hackintosh if Apple keep ******** on us. Lets see whats announce march/wwdc
     
  13. nebo1ss macrumors 68030

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    Its interesting how you have to be in a recession for months before the experts admit it.
     
  14. BornAgainMac macrumors 603

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  15. npmacuser5 macrumors 65816

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    You could be a poster child for why buy a Mac! ;)

    Your experience fully supports IBM's statement Mac's are cheaper then PC's by $543 dollars a year. In your case a total savings of $5,430. The Total Cost of Ownership or Return On Investment what really counts. In your case, awesome ROI.

    Take the money, buy a new Mac, have a nice weekend at the beach, put the remainder into investments. Then put that MBP on the shelf of honor.

    Mac's really are less expensive in the longterm hands down. Apple supports the hardware longer then anyone in the business.
     
  16. sirozha macrumors 6502a

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    I bought a 2018 MacBook Air just to see if it was sufficiently powerful for what I do. I used to always buy MacBook Pros in the past, but at the current prices, they were just way too expensive. My only solution was to either buy a 2015 MacBook Pro or the 2018 MBA. Guess what? The 2018 MBA is powerful enough for what I do. I can even run two VMs concurrently on it.

    So, I think most users would be fine with the MBA. It’s still overpriced, but at least its price is manageable.
     
  17. s15119 macrumors 68000

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    We are in the midst of a worldwide financial slowdown.
     
  18. pika2000 macrumors 601

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    Interesting point.
    When you see numbers from the likes of HP, Dell, etc, one has to remember that these OEMs get their numbers from contracts, not direct consumer sales. Meanwhile for Apple, I would think the proportion of direct to consumer sales would be higher than these OEMs.
     
  19. Blackwell macrumors newbie

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    Sold my 2009 MB pro after seeing the updates last September, I budgeted $2400 for a new MBP. Got $250 for the little bugger. Went to Amazon for the prime day sale and spent $220 (costs more now) for a 14 inch Acer 4/32 with two USB C ports an HDMI and headphone jack. Two days to my front porch, I am so happy. Apple is out $2,250!
     
  20. jscooper22 macrumors regular

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    I still like them (and use them at home and at work) but I like them less MORE (if that makes sense) than a decade ago.
     
  21. Baymowe335 macrumors 68040

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    It did for iPhone.
    --- Post Merged, Jan 10, 2019 ---
    Don't just read the headline.

    They grew market share and the entire industry declined worldwide. Apple declined less than the industry, indicating they are doing better.
     
  22. pat500000 macrumors G3

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    Why is this news? last time i remember, Apple was a phone company.....
     
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  24. mac_in_tosh macrumors 6502

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    Just curious - are you working for a company that requires you to use a PC? Where I used to work they gave us Dell laptops that were full of add on software put there by the IT department. It took forever just to boot up, which I had to do somewhat frequently because of required software updates. I'm sure the laptop would have been easier to use had I purchased it for private use.
     
  25. Hank Carter macrumors 6502

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    Does anyone really want to run Photoshop or any other professional software on a 10 or 12 inch screen?
    Did we stumble into a wormhole and pop back out in 1984? If so, maybe they can make a special green screen edition.

    The iPad is a giant iPhone, not a computer.

    Does anyone in Apple management ONLY work on an iPad?
     

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