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Where do you get this idea that Apple is gearing OS X so it pushes older systems into the unsupported category? From what I can tell, they're doing a fantastic job retaining compatibility with older hardware--certainly better than what I've seen with Windows XP.

I think Apple does an excellent job of supporting older hardware. However, reports have stated that Leopard will NOT support G3 systems.
 
Whatever the case

There are more Macs out there than ever before, and if that quantity keeps rising, the Mac is here to stay (they do need replacing eventually too :) ), so new Macs for us for the foreseable future are guaranteed, and if the get a bigger part of the market, even better :) :apple:
 
For some historical perspective, see the Ars Technica article
http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/total-share.ars/1

in particular:

marketshare.jpg

Thanks for the link. What was interesting to me was the lack of 1975-1984 data in this plot, but I found it in the article. From that it looks like Apple has always had a small share of the pie, even back in the day when the Apple ][ was the computer found in every school computer lab, etc...

Amazing that the Trash-80 share was so much higher. I expected the C64, but not the Trash-80.

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Sales

Does anyone know which big corporations/companies use Macs? Everyone keeps saying there is a move from Windows to Mac in the business world, but I can't think of any companies that use Macs
 
Does anyone know which big corporations/companies use Macs? Everyone keeps saying there is a move from Windows to Mac in the business world, but I can't think of any companies that use Macs

I know Apple is a big company :D

Anyway, I still think apple's biggest computer user base is individual or small business (like 5-20 employees), for big business, its either "double service spending" or "totally switch from windows to macs company-wide", neither is realistic, IMHO.
 
Jeez, I didn't realize how much Gateway had shrunk. I remember back in college they were the PC brand to get, and I thought they were Dell's rival. Guess not so much...
 
In other financial news, Apple's market capitalization has now exceeded that of Dell and Motorola.

Rocketman
Last I looked they were only about $4bn behind HP. Not bad at all considering the gap used to be about $55bn not that long ago, and HP has nearly doubled in value since.
 
It is somewhat disapoining that Lenovo isn't on the list but mixed in with Others, If I couldn't get a Mac my second choice would be a ThinkPad. The Other guys on that list really make me sick to my stomach because all the ones of those brands I have seen and worked with are POS.
 
I always find these numbers interesting because I assume they only include the portion of the market that purchases a "whole computer" or a "whole system". I have always (except in the '80's) built my own system by purchasing components and I'm seeing a lot more traffic on the websites that sell components over the last few years. Just thinking out loud. I wonder what that number is - I think it should definitely be a part of those figures.
Rich :cool:
 
Where do you get this idea that Apple is gearing OS X so it pushes older systems into the unsupported category? From what I can tell, they're doing a fantastic job retaining compatibility with older hardware--certainly better than what I've seen with Windows XP.
What are you kidding? The reason Windows has so many issues is the fact that it supports endless amounts of hardware/software dating back forever. Comparatively, Apple only has to worry about VERY few different hardware configurations. Microsoft, has to deal with almost infinite configurations. Is it as elegant and easy to use as OSX, not exactly, but Windows absolutely dominates the compatibility market.
 
WOW .... not !!!!!

Steve Jobs finally managed to get Apple's share back to where it was when he rejoined Apple. Great Job(s) ...... not


Not to diminish his other great accomplishments of course .....
 
Mmmmm, I'm not sure that's exactly a stiff competition. :p But okay, to your point, they might make good computers, or they might not. They are nonetheless destroying themselves... look at their sliding marketshare, miserable failure excuses for stores, the lack of visibility of the excellent leader they brought over from eMachines. The clock is ticking...those computers you like are not going to be around for much longer at this rate.

That's why we buy from Apple instead. :D
 
Does anyone know which big corporations/companies use Macs? Everyone keeps saying there is a move from Windows to Mac in the business world, but I can't think of any companies that use Macs

Ford Motor Company has been installing Macs on their assembly lines to manage parts flow while assembling cars and trucks. I know that is just a small application, however if they work well maybe they will consider using them in other applications as well.

Link: http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/12/19/miniford/index.php
 
That's nonsense.

I own a 5+ year old iBook G3 (blazing along at a whopping 600 Mhz :rolleyes:) and it has had Jaguar, Panther and Tiger installed. Each of those got progressively more stable and faster. Tiger is amazing on it. There are no noticeable lags during usage. There's no bizarre behavior. It's solid and very responsive. Obviously, I'm not doing any rigorous production work on this thing, but for a casual-use laptop, my iBook is hard to beat. Likewise, I have installed various versions of OS X on older hardware where I work and have witnessed similar performances bumps each time so I know this is not just a fluke in my case.

Where do you get this idea that Apple is gearing OS X so it pushes older systems into the unsupported category? From what I can tell, they're doing a fantastic job retaining compatibility with older hardware--certainly better than what I've seen with Windows XP.

I have a 7-year-old iMac G3 and it runs OS 9 since OSX can't run on it. It's too old and doesn't have enough HD space (6GB) for OSX. It's being replaced whenever the new iMac comes out.
 
I always find these numbers interesting because I assume they only include the portion of the market that purchases a "whole computer" or a "whole system". I have always (except in the '80's) built my own system by purchasing components and I'm seeing a lot more traffic on the websites that sell components over the last few years. Just thinking out loud. I wonder what that number is - I think it should definitely be a part of those figures.
Rich :cool:

I think "independent builders" would be a part of "others".
 
How to get 90% Mac OS X market share:

1. Allow Mac OS X to run on any PC out there. At least on Dell and HP now.

2. Open Mac OS X. As linux is open.

3. Give Mac OS X for free. As linux is free.

Windows will fade away in two years.
 
1. Allow Mac OS X to run on any PC out there. At least on Dell and HP now.

3. Give Mac OS X for free. As linux is free.
Wouldn't this be contrary to Apple's business, which involves selling things? If consumers don't need to buy either their hardware or software, how do they stay afloat while they wait for Windows to fade away?
 
How to get 90% Mac OS X market share:

1. Allow Mac OS X to run on any PC out there. At least on Dell and HP now.

2. Open Mac OS X. As linux is open.

3. Give Mac OS X for free. As linux is free.

Windows will fade away in two years.
...or how to run Apple into the ground.
 
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