Apple's New Dock Connector Even Smaller Than Originally Thought

[terraphantm]

Probably because induction chargers are *horrifically* inefficient. For example, your typical wall-wart is about 50-70% efficient. (Apple's are near the upper end of that, and in some cases better.) An induction charger is more often in the area of 25-40% efficient.

Does efficiency matter all that much when we're talking about about a 15Wh battery?

The iPad's battery is what - 50 Wh? Let's assume that next year it increases to 60Wh. Assuming you go through a complete charge cycle every day, this hypothetical iPad would consume 22kWh in a year. At 25% efficiency, that'd be 88kWh from the mains. And at 20 cents / kWh (most places are lower), we're talking $18/year to charge by induction. That's not a lot of money. And an iPhone would cost considerably less to charge.

 

[BvizioN]

To anyone who is saying the width is an optical illusion on the photo... i don't think it is. I am a photographer and i can tell you for sure, a close up photo like that would not have any great optical illusion. It's almoust clear that the leaked part on the photo is wider then the actual 4S.

 

[DaffyDuck]

If they are gonna change why not just do usb.

For the same reason they chose not to use USB on the 1st iPhone. After seeing the huge iOS only accessory market spring up, do you really think they are going to switch to a standard connector?

 

[Sir Ruben]

Sorry to disappoint but the new iPhone is NOT wider, it was the perspective

http://www.nowhereelse.fr/nouvel-iphone-5-video-photos-69127/iphone5-1-3/

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To anyone who is saying the width is an optical illusion on the photo... i don't think it is. I am a photographer and i can tell you for sure, a close up photo like that would not have any great optical illusion. It's almoust clear that the leaked part on the photo is wider then the actual 4S.

Can't believe none of you went to the link watermarked one the pic. There are more pics there. Sorry but your photography skills let you down this time.

 

[tbrinkma]

Does efficiency matter all that much when we're talking about about a 15Wh battery?

The iPad's battery is what - 50 Wh? Let's assume that next year it increases to 60Wh. Assuming you go through a complete charge cycle every day, this hypothetical iPad would consume 22kWh in a year. At 25% efficiency, that'd be 88kWh from the mains. And at 20 cents / kWh (most places are lower), we're talking $18/year to charge by induction. That's not a lot of money. And an iPhone would cost considerably less to charge.

To most manufacturers? No. To Apple? Possibly. They did, after all, release their own AA battery charger which draws virtually no power when it is not actively charging batteries.

Induction power transfers are only common when one (or both) charging element has a real need to be shielded from conductive liquids, like water. That's why you'll see it on electric toothbrushes, but not cameras.

 

[Tinmania]

Charging rate will depend on the voltage and the size of the battery itself. The iPad's battery is larger than early MacBook airs - when it's depleted, it would likely be able to draw more current if it were available. Similarly, the iPhone does charge (slightly) faster when connected to an iPad charger.

Not true: the iPhone draws slightly more than 5w. It doesn't matter if you used the iPhone's 5w charger, iPad's 10w charger or a 10 megawatt charger (at 5v) it will draw 5w. Every iOS portable device charges at 5v so that is a constant and a given.

The iPad most certainly will not draw more than slightly above 10w. So the assertion that "it would likely be able to draw more current if it were available" is not relevant as it will not draw more current.

The iPad 3's battery has a higher capacity than the 11" mb air (42.5 watt-hour Vs. 35). The air can charge faster though, since it is supplying far more current. That is unacceptable for the iPad and needs to be improved in my opinion.

So, again, with a new dock connector I think there is a reasonably good chance that a higher charging rate will be possible (I would guess 20w for iPad, 10w for iPhone).




Michael

 

[BvizioN]

Sorry to disappoint but the new iPhone is NOT wider, it was the perspective

http://www.nowhereelse.fr/nouvel-iphone-5-video-photos-69127/iphone5-1-3/

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Can't believe none of you went to the link watermarked one the pic. There are more pics there. Sorry but your photography skills let you down this time.

You are right, i did not check the link.
Now that i did, it still looks a bit wider to me.

 

[burnside]

Sorry to disappoint but the new iPhone is NOT wider, it was the perspective

http://www.nowhereelse.fr/nouvel-iphone-5-video-photos-69127/iphone5-1-3/

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Can't believe none of you went to the link watermarked one the pic. There are more pics there. Sorry but your photography skills let you down this time.

First off, I'm not saying that this is a legit representation of the next iPhone, so who knows if it will be wider or not.

The fact is that the photographer is correct. It is evident from the photo that the two phones are not flush at the bottom, however, the amount of differentiation in the width of the two phones should not be that substantial if they were the same width. You can try this for yourself by stacking cards or identical objects on top of each other and recess the top object back an inch. There may be a slight difference due to the illusion, but not to the amount we see in the leaked shots.

 

[Sir Ruben]

First off, I'm not saying that this is a legit representation of the next iPhone, so who knows if it will be wider or not.

The fact is that the photographer is correct. It is evident from the photo that the two phones are not flush at the bottom, however, the amount of differentiation in the width of the two phones should not be that substantial if they were the same width. You can try this for yourself by stacking cards or identical objects on top of each other and recess the top object back an inch. There may be a slight difference due to the illusion, but not to the amount we see in the leaked shots.

burnside click on the link I posted. It shows a different comparison pic where you can clearly see they are the same width. There is no debate. The pic confirms it.

 

[Blakjack]

Taller.....NO

TALLER AND WIDER......YES!

The phone being wider has never been mentioned before.

 

[Akarin]

Why is it always these nearly unknown sites that gets "leaked" photos?

 

[xgman]

This pic show the iphone 5 wider if you measure both on your screen.

 

[zer0th]

why don't you guys just read the whole thread instead?? if you check at this quote (a previous post by "gatearray" where you can see the difference between both phones)

it's a pretty good illusion.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/15425426/

 

[mrtune]

I agree with some of the others. The leaked parts sure look wider to me.

 

[dlastmango]

First off, I'm not saying that this is a legit representation of the next iPhone, so who knows if it will be wider or not.

The fact is that the photographer is correct. It is evident from the photo that the two phones are not flush at the bottom, however, the amount of differentiation in the width of the two phones should not be that substantial if they were the same width. You can try this for yourself by stacking cards or identical objects on top of each other and recess the top object back an inch. There may be a slight difference due to the illusion, but not to the amount we see in the leaked shots.

Someone should try this shot with 2 iphone 4s. and see if they can recreate the same look.
I dont have 2... so i cant

Chris

 

[Gdgtguru]

Not true: the iPhone draws slightly more than 5w. It doesn't matter if you used the iPhone's 5w charger, iPad's 10w charger or a 10 megawatt charger (at 5v) it will draw 5w. Every iOS portable device charges at 5v so that is a constant and a given.

The iPad most certainly will not draw more than slightly above 10w. So the assertion that "it would likely be able to draw more current if it were available" is not relevant as it will not draw more current.

The iPad 3's battery has a higher capacity than the 11" mb air (42.5 watt-hour Vs. 35). The air can charge faster though, since it is supplying far more current. That is unacceptable for the iPad and needs to be improved in my opinion.

So, again, with a new dock connector I think there is a reasonably good chance that a higher charging rate will be possible (I would guess 20w for iPad, 10w for iPhone).

Michael

I don't think this is necessarily correct. When I charge my iPhone using the 10w iPad charger, it charges significantly faster than it does with the iPhone charger. This would certainly imply it has the ability to charge at higher currents given they are available.
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[thrilllho]

I agree that the new iPhone looks wider from the photos...but that's pretty major news. They measured the thickness (7.6mm) which is thinner than today's phone, why didn't they measure the width & height?

 

[Gdgtguru]

I agree that the new iPhone looks wider from the photos...but that's pretty major news. They measured the thickness (7.6mm) which is thinner than today's phone, why didn't they measure the width & height?

Because Apple didn't want to reveal too much with their controlled leak!

 

[Tinmania]

I don't think this is necessarily correct. When I charge my iPhone using the 10w iPad charger, it charges significantly faster than it does with the iPhone charger. This would certainly imply it has the ability to charge at higher currents given they are available.
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I'm sorry but that is only "placebo effect." I have measured the current draw. It is most definitely not charging "significantly faster." Not unless your normal iPhone charger/USB is delivering less than 1 amp.

Not hard to measure this. (And anecdotally observing charging times is not the way to measure it.)




Michael

 

[gadgetguy08]

Is no one else concerned by the fact that this new connector, MagSafe or not, will offer little to no support when used in docking accessories? Think for example of the Bose SoundDock (especially the portable one). Such a small connector on the new iPhone, especially if it is a magnetic connector, will allow the device to easily fall out of the accessory (and onto the floor, into the sand, or off the deck depending on where you're using it).

 

[lobster68w]

I'll take micro USB.

 

[gatearray]

Sorry to disappoint but the new iPhone is NOT wider, it was the perspective

http://www.nowhereelse.fr/nouvel-iphone-5-video-photos-69127/iphone5-1-3/

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Can't believe none of you went to the link watermarked one the pic. There are more pics there. Sorry but your photography skills let you down this time.

sorry to post this again, but what do you make of this pic? it's just my crappy photoshop job sourced from this picture, but it clearly shows the new iPhone is larger than the 4/4S:

http://www.nowhereelse.fr/nouvel-iphone-5-video-photos-69127/iphone5-back/

 

[speedyg256]

Because Apple didn't want to reveal too much with their controlled leak!

They did measure the width and height.....

1. The phone is much bigger, measuring 58.47 mm wide, 123.83 mm high and 7.6 mm thin. The screen is 4″.
2. The earphone jack has been relocated to the bottom of the phone.
3. The dock connector is much smaller, similar in size to micro USB.

Here's the specs right from apple for the 4S for those thinking the New iPhone is wider...

Height: 4.5 inches (115.2 mm)

Width: 2.31 inches (58.6 mm)

58.47 < 58.6

 

[Gdgtguru]

I'm sorry but that is only "placebo effect." I have measured the current draw. It is most definitely not charging "significantly faster." Not unless your normal iPhone charger/USB is delivering less than 1 amp.

Not hard to measure this. (And anecdotally observing charging times is not the way to measure it.)




Michael

Nope, not a placebo effect, sorry. Multiple folks in this thread http://att.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1375075 seem to agree as well.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

They did measure the width and height.....

1. The phone is much bigger, measuring 58.47 mm wide, 123.83 mm high and 7.6 mm thin. The screen is 4″.
2. The earphone jack has been relocated to the bottom of the phone.
3. The dock connector is much smaller, similar in size to micro USB.

Here's the specs right from apple for the 4S for those thinking the New iPhone is wider...

Height: 4.5 inches (115.2 mm)

Width: 2.31 inches (58.6 mm)

58.47 < 58.6

Except those measurements are contradicted by detailed measurements of the front panels taken by a different site. If you watch the video, you'll see that the width of the new iPhone screen is wider than the 4S screen (unless they took the measurements wrong or they're using thinner metal band to make the overall width different).