Apple's New Dock Connector Even Smaller Than Originally Thought

[2bikes]

The more I look at the picture the more clear it becomes that there is the optical illusion that the new iPhone is wider. I think it is just closer to the camera. Clear when you compare how big the headphone hole is.

Speaking of the headphone hole, it also has a metal ring that is present in 4S but not in iPod nano or shuffle. I may not have any special function other than making that area stronger.

 

[djrod]

The more I look at the picture the more clear it becomes that there is the optical illusion that the new iPhone is wider. I think it is just closer to the camera. Clear when you compare how big the headphone hole is.

Speaking of the headphone hole, it also has a metal ring that is present in 4S but not in iPod nano or shuffle. I may not have any special function other than making that area stronger.

Are you sure?

 

[Gdgtguru]

We can each believe what we want, but I can tell you that unequivocally, my phone as well as others charge faster with the iPad charger than they do with the iPhone charger. If I get around to it tonight, I will measure the actual draw for each and tell you the results. The phone also is warmer when charging plugged into the iPad charger further indicating the batter is charging at a faster rate. This may not be the case with older generation iPhones, but it certainly is with my 4s.

Well, perhaps I am insane and it really is the placebo affect, but so far my testing supports the theory that the charging rate is not different between iPad and iPhone chargers. Currently my iPhone still has 65% charge, so I will re-test when it is more drained.

As an FYI on my test method, I am measuring the actual current draw the the phone is using from the charger, not the usage of the AC adapter (like with a Kill A Watt).

 

[mabhatter]

It would be hilarious if all of this was a major red herring.

This is Samsung's next phone!

 

[MythicFrost]

Do I see a metal band around the top and bottom of the 5?

 

[nickelt]

Are you sure?

http://sharpdaily.com.tw/m/article/issueid/20120808/artid/34424209/secid/2959717/audio/1/ this has all your answers

 

[harlequinn]

MicroUSB is much more limited than Apple's Dock connector. It's great for charging and basic data transfer, but not for much more.

What use apart from data transfer and charging does the connector have to have?

Micro USB implements the USB 2.0 standard and can transfer data just as well as the current Apple Dock connector. It can also charge at over 1.5 A.

It also complies with the eu charger standard.

It may be the new USB 3.0 micro port.

Frankly, Apple's Dock connector is a piece of garbage that should have always been a USB mini or micro connector. Proprietary connectors don't do so well in the market place - the only reason the Dock connector survived is because of the popularity of the iPod, etc. and Apple forcing us to have it. Maybe it seemed like a good idea in 2001.

I don't know the stats but I think most people will be syncing via wifi these days, so the only use for the connector is charging (and data for the shrinking group of people who use it for such).

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

http://sharpdaily.com.tw/m/article/issueid/20120808/artid/34424209/secid/2959717/audio/1/ this has all your answers

No, it doesn't. It doesn't provide any proof of actual measurement of the overall width, just the claimed measurement.

We can debate all day whether or not it's actually wider based on photos, but people seem to be ignoring the wider (actual) measurement this site has taken of the new iPhone screen vs. 4S screen (watch the video staring at 1:20).

 

[terraphantm]

Not true: the iPhone draws slightly more than 5w. It doesn't matter if you used the iPhone's 5w charger, iPad's 10w charger or a 10 megawatt charger (at 5v) it will draw 5w. Every iOS portable device charges at 5v so that is a constant and a given.

The iPad most certainly will not draw more than slightly above 10w. So the assertion that "it would likely be able to draw more current if it were available" is not relevant as it will not draw more current.

The iPad 3's battery has a higher capacity than the 11" mb air (42.5 watt-hour Vs. 35). The air can charge faster though, since it is supplying far more current. That is unacceptable for the iPad and needs to be improved in my opinion.

So, again, with a new dock connector I think there is a reasonably good chance that a higher charging rate will be possible (I would guess 20w for iPad, 10w for iPhone).




Michael

Have you ever used your iPad charger with an iPhone? It most certainly charges faster. It reaches 80% extremely quickly. The last 20% takes some time - but that's just a characteristic of Li-ion batteries.

A >10W charger doesn't exist for the iPad - but the battery can definitely draw more - at least when depleted. It's just how batteries work. Now there may be current limiting circuitry in the device - but asides for that possibility, the battery can definitely draw more current. It's only when the current starts to naturally drop is its draw maximized.

Well, perhaps I am insane and it really is the placebo affect, but so far my testing supports the theory that the charging rate is not different between iPad and iPhone chargers. Currently my iPhone still has 65% charge, so I will re-test when it is more drained.

As an FYI on my test method, I am measuring the actual current draw the the phone is using from the charger, not the usage of the AC adapter (like with a Kill A Watt).

Try to drain the battery completely. The current should definitely be higher in the beginning. As the charge gets higher, the maximum current draw does become less.

 

[*Calypso*]

It also complies with the eu charger standard.

So does Apple, as long as the other end of the cable has USB A.

It may be the new USB 3.0 micro port.

The USB 3.0 B Micro Port is even harder to attach to a device than the 2.0 one and significantly larger than the smaller Dock Connector.
http://www.coolgear.com/images/USB3-MAMB.jpg

What's wrong with a Micro Mag Safe Dock Connector that comes with USB 3.0? It's easy to attach and you only have to have the cable with you in order to charge it with any USB-charger or computer.

 

[Gdgtguru]

Have you ever used your iPad charger with an iPhone? It most certainly charges faster. It reaches 80% extremely quickly. The last 20% takes some time - but that's just a characteristic of Li-ion batteries.

A >10W charger doesn't exist for the iPad - but the battery can definitely draw more - at least when depleted. It's just how batteries work. Now there may be current limiting circuitry in the device - but asides for that possibility, the battery can definitely draw more current. It's only when the current starts to naturally drop is its draw maximized.




Try to drain the battery completely. The current should definitely be higher in the beginning. As the charge gets higher, the maximum current draw does become less.

I'm working on that. It's not an Android so it is taking a bit to drain I've been running SlingBox since my last post and am currently at 48%. Last current test still revealed exact same draw +- 1 mA

 

[haruhiko]

http://sharpdaily.com.tw/m/article/issueid/20120808/artid/34424209/secid/2959717/audio/1/ this has all your answers

Sharp Daily is a newly opened tabloid in Taiwan and Hong Kong operated by Next Media from Hong Kong which is famous for its sensational writing style. Some (if not most) of their tech related news are copied from foreign websites including MacRumors.

 

[sulpfiction]

It would be hilarious if all of this was a major red herring.

Still holding on, huh? Lol...I was hoping too...But I gave up over a month ago. What we've been seeing is what we are getting. There have been ZERO leaks to suggest something else might be in the works.

I don't think I like the stretched version we've been seeing lately. But, I do have faith in Apple that this next iphone is going to be a LOT nicer then we expect. It might not be wider, but I'm still betting that it's going to be a blockbuster. Apple has too much riding on this launch with all the competition lately. iPhone is apples most important product. They are NOT going to disappoint.

Bring on September.

 

[rcha101]

This pic show the iphone 5 wider if you measure both on your screen.

OK, I've seen enough, release it already!!

 

[*Calypso*]

Still holding on, huh? Lol...I was hoping too...But I gave up over a month ago. What we've been seeing is what we are getting. There have been ZERO leaks to suggest something else might be in the works.

I don't think I like the stretched version we've been seeing lately. But, I do have faith in Apple that this next iphone is going to be a LOT nicer then we expect. It might not be wider, but I'm still betting that it's going to be a blockbuster. Apple has too much riding on this launch with all the competition lately. iPhone is apples most important product. They are NOT going to disappoint.

Bring on September.

How can the next iPhone be "a lot nicer than we expect" if - as you say yourself - "zero leaks suggest something else". I mean, we saw all the parts except for the internals.

Of course, it will looks nicer when photographed in a studio and when you can actually hold it in your hand. Also, the internals might blow us away and iOS 6 might look a lot better in 1136x640 than all the mockups suggested.

But besides that, it looks like this is what we're getting and there are some issues with the design that give people a headache. On the other hand, the iPhone 4 leak showed us how opinions quickly changed from "this doesn't look like Apple at all" to "best smartphone design ever".

 

[russofris]

9 pins could be arranged like:

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and female:

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and the connector could then tell which way it was inserted if it had an extra connection on the other side.

In addition, with news of "19 pins" coming from other sources, they may have meant 9 tip-sleeve-esque pins, with the 19th conductor being the outer ring for ground. This ensures that gnd is the first connection made.

F

 

[MattInOz]

What use apart from data transfer and charging does the connector have to have?

Well in the first instance the dock connector is 2x USB 2.0 ports
One for charging and data connection to the host computer. Sure data syncing is mostly wireless but still needed for some sticky situations.
the second is a USB host port for the phone to talk to accessory devices.

If they want to retain the ability to connect an accessory and a host computer at the same time then they need at keep both ports. So at least 9 pins.

 

[Tinmania]

Have you ever used your iPad charger with an iPhone? It most certainly charges faster.

Of course I have. How do you think I measured the draw?

Believe what you want but it is 100% placebo effect. You believe it will charge faster, and so it does.




Michael

 

[DOWNSIDEUP]

phone looks wider by a bit also...

Not really. Did the math myself.
The dock on the iPhone 4/4S in the image is 6.5 mm, while in reality, it is around 2.7 mm. That means the dock connector is 2.4 times larger in the image. Now, on the iPhone 4/4S, if you compare the dock to the 3.5 mm headphone jack, you will notice that in reality, the jack is 1.3 times larger (in diameter). That means if the iPhone 4/4S had a headphone jack next to the dock, it would be exactly 8.45 mm in the picture (simple ratios). If you measure the jack size on the iPhone on the bottom, it is 9 mm in diameter. It is larger, which means it is closer to the camera lens.
Now, if you have a different resolution and different pixel density on your display, the numbers will be different, but the conclusion will remain the same. Try it.

 

[Gjwilly]

Yes, believe what you want. But I find it interesting that no one says the same thing about charging on a (fairly current) mac, when that also will deliver the same current as the iPad's charger.

As far as measuring the draw, I honestly don't think you are going to find your iPhone 4S--same model as mine--draws more current than other tested iPhones (including my 4S). I think you are in for a surprise.





Michael

A USB port has 4 pins, 2 for power and 2 for data.
Apple uses the data pins in their chargers to tell the iOS device how much to draw.
They do this by outputting a specific small DC voltage on the data pins.
The iPhone looks for the voltage and sets its charge rate accordingly.
That is why an iPhone will draw 1A when connected to an iPhone charger (or any other charger built to Apple's specs) but only draw .5A from a computer port.
The iPad does the same and draws 1A from an iPhone charger and 2A from an iPad charger.
It would not surprise me in the least to learn that the iPhone has a 3rd setting in its firmware that allows it to draw 2A when it sees that it's connected to an iPad charger.

 

[tdtran1025]

Wider body?

 

[Gdgtguru]

A USB port has 4 pins, 2 for power and 2 for data.
Apple uses the data pins in their chargers to tell the iOS device how much to draw.
They do this by outputting a specific small DC voltage on the data pins.
The iPhone looks for the voltage and sets its charge rate accordingly.
That is why an iPhone will draw 1A when connected to an iPhone charger (or any other charger built to Apple's specs) but only draw .5A from a computer port.
The iPad does the same and draws 1A from an iPhone charger and 2A from an iPad charger.
It would not surprise me in the least to learn that the iPhone has a 3rd setting in its firmware that allows it to draw 2A when it sees that it's connected to an iPad charger.

As much as I want to be right about this and to find evidence that it does charge faster using the iPad charger, I so far am unable to prove it. The draw using the iPhone or iPad charger are identical (averaging around 910 mA starting with the phone at 33% charge). It did just occur to me that I can't remember the last time I actually charged my phone with the iPhone charger, it is almost always with my car USB port, a Griffin dual charging dock, or the iPad charger. I just looked at the Griffin power adapter and it is only rated at 400 mA, much lower than either the iPhone or iPad adapter. Typically there is a second iPhone charging on that dock too further reducing the available charging current for either phone.

I am going to have to come to the conclusion that while it is not a placebo affect because there IS a difference in charging time between the iPad adapter and my other common charging method, there is in reality no difference (that the current draw numbers reflect anyway) in charging the iPhone with either adapter. Now if Apple is doing some sort of other charging magic, I am yet to discover it.

Tinmania, you have my apologies

 

[iSayuSay]

I really really don't like speaker and mic vents of the new iPhone. Seems cheap, seriously cheap.

 

[2bikes]

Are you sure?

Never sure with all the rumors but on the image you posted, you are missing the metal band around 4S. That will bring significant thickness (times 2). And also simple math always gets you closer (below).

Not really. Did the math myself.
The dock on the iPhone 4/4S in the image is 6.5 mm, while in reality, it is around 2.7 mm. That means the dock connector is 2.4 times larger in the image. Now, on the iPhone 4/4S, if you compare the dock to the 3.5 mm headphone jack, you will notice that in reality, the jack is 1.3 times larger (in diameter). That means if the iPhone 4/4S had a headphone jack next to the dock, it would be exactly 8.45 mm in the picture (simple ratios). If you measure the jack size on the iPhone on the bottom, it is 9 mm in diameter. It is larger, which means it is closer to the camera lens.
Now, if you have a different resolution and different pixel density on your display, the numbers will be different, but the conclusion will remain the same. Try it.

 

[NismoRoadster]

How convenient the photo with the earbuds are blocking the words on the back of the case. Probably says designed apolle Assemboled in china.