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these things used to come as part of the box, GOD need to pay even more than what we already are
A 5w charger used to come in the box, did Apple ever include fast chargers with the pro phones? The closest I can think of is that you could use the old iPad chargers to charge your phone more quickly, but it still wasn't PD fast charging IIRC.
 
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Despise these types of prong chargers. Who has an easily accessible plug to plug something like this into? I don't. Usually under, behind or have other things plugged in. I want it on an extension please.
 
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I mean... when you have THIS from Anker, MSRP at $35 but regularly sold for 25-30 bucks, why?
Dimensions are pretty close (1.8x1.78x1.11 for Apple vs 1.65x1.42x1.74 for Anker) and though the Anker brick is about an ounce heavier (3.84 vs 2.82) it's also putting out up to 65w continuous vs Apple's 60w burst. Yes I know that 65w does fluctuate, but guarantee it maintains those higher watts longer and more reliably than the Apple part and for 10-15 bucks less.
This is a step in the right direction, but Apple still has a long way to go when it comes to charging accessories.
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They need to use GaN. I bought a GaN charger from Target on sale for $29, and it charges my MBA at its full rate of 70w until it gets up to about 50% charge. I was surprised, because I thought Apple shipped the Air and other laptops with chargers that supported their maximum charge acceptance rate. I’m curious to try a more powerful charger with a very low battery.
 
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I believe this is Apple's first charger that uses gallium nitride (GaN) technology, which is why it's so small compared to their other chargers. I'm glad they've not only caught up to other chargers but are also on the bleeding edge of offering DPS and AVS implementations that are actually ahead of the curve.
I think the 70W and the 140W are GaN too.
 
I mean... when you have THIS from Anker, MSRP at $35 but regularly sold for 25-30 bucks, why?
Dimensions are pretty close (1.8x1.78x1.11 for Apple vs 1.65x1.42x1.74 for Anker) and though the Anker brick is about an ounce heavier (3.84 vs 2.82) it's also putting out up to 65w continuous vs Apple's 60w burst. Yes I know that 65w does fluctuate, but guarantee it maintains those higher watts longer and more reliably than the Apple part and for 10-15 bucks less.
This is a step in the right direction, but Apple still has a long way to go when it comes to charging accessories.
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This isn’t PD 3.2
 
Why not give the plug two USB-C ports and divide the 40W between them, give the whole thing to one port when charging one device and divide the power up when using both ports. That would be worth getting.
The AVS and DPS requirement are quit complicated for multiport. That is why the Google Pixel Flex is in a other price segment.
 
This isn’t PD 3.2
I get that. My comment was aimed at anyone thinking they can get buy with this part as an all in one solution to their charging needs. If you’re solely buying this to pair with your new 17, sure knock yourself out. If you’re like me though and share one charger for iPad, iPhone and often MBA, yeah stick with the plug I posted.

FWIW PD3.2 is relatively new but I would expect 3rd party options to be available by the holiday season and at cheaper prices than Apple.
 
The article does a poor job of explaining what this charger does and what makes it unique.

All chargers that support USB-PD can vary their power output according to what the device needs, up to a specific limit.

What this particular charger does it it allows the charger to go 20 watts over its charging limit to 60 watts if certain conditions are met (ie: it's not too hot), and it can only do it for a limited amount of time. It's sort of like the turbo mode on a CPU, it can boost to a higher clock speed for certain tasks but it usually can't sustain that maximum speed indefinitely.

So in effect with this version of the USB-PD standard you get the size of a 40 watt charger with the ability to boost to 60 watts for fast charging and similar scenarios.
I get the turbo-mode thing, but why then, would a larger GaN USB-C PD charger that can easily do 60W without over-heating not work?
 
I believe this is Apple's first charger that uses gallium nitride (GaN) technology, which is why it's so small compared to their other chargers. I'm glad they've not only caught up to other chargers but are also on the bleeding edge of offering DPS and AVS implementations that are actually ahead of the curve.
Apple has had GaN chargers for several years now: 2023 Article Reviewing One of Them
 
A 5w charger used to come in the box, did Apple ever include fast chargers with the pro phones? The closest I can think of is that you could use the old iPad chargers to charge your phone more quickly, but it still wasn't PD fast charging IIRC.
I thought the 18w charger was included for one generation?
 
The article does a poor job of explaining what this charger does and what makes it unique.

All chargers that support USB-PD can vary their power output according to what the device needs, up to a specific limit.

What this particular charger does it it allows the charger to go 20 watts over its charging limit to 60 watts if certain conditions are met (ie: it's not too hot), and it can only do it for a limited amount of time. It's sort of like the turbo mode on a CPU, it can boost to a higher clock speed for certain tasks but it usually can't sustain that maximum speed indefinitely.

So in effect with this version of the USB-PD standard you get the size of a 40 watt charger with the ability to boost to 60 watts for fast charging and similar scenarios.
My understanding is there's a little bit more to it than just that. Sorry for the AI overview but I think it sums it up well

USB-C Power Delivery (PD) 3.2 with SPR AVS (Standard Power Range Adjustable Voltage Supply) is a feature in the USB PD 3.2 specification that allows devices and chargers to negotiate and fine-tune power delivery within a voltage range of 9V to 20V, in 100mV increments. This enables more precise and efficient power conversion and reduces heat loss for standard power range devices (27W–100W).

Key benefits of SPR AVS in PD 3.2:
Increased Efficiency - By matching the voltage to the device's precise needs in 100mV steps, it reduces energy loss during the power conversion process.
Reduced Heat - More efficient power conversion leads to less heat being generated by both the charger and the device.
Improved Compatibility - PD 3.2 also includes a refined version negotiation process, preventing failures between new and older devices and cables.
 
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I ended up getting a dual port 67w charger from Innergie rather than waiting for Apple to come out with a higher powered dual port adapter
 
The AVS and DPS requirement are quit complicated for multiport. That is why the Google Pixel Flex is in a other price segment.
It's 60 bucks vs 40 bucks. Would be nice if Apple offered one in addition to the single-port. And imagine a dual one from Apple, larger and with higher wattage. Like 90W or similar. That would be cool.
 
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