Apple's New Dynamic 40W to 60W Charger Has a Key Advantage

[softeky]

Unfortunately the pins are placed symmetrically and, given the distance to an edge, three strip sockets are blocked (most multi-socket strips I’ve used). Shame the pins could not have been offset from center, blocking only two strip sockets. Oh well… perhaps next time .

 

[SactoGuy18]

I wonder why Apple didn't just support the Programmable Power Supply functionality of the USB-IF Power Delivery 3.0/3.1 standard instead. I believe PPS does a lot the same functionality as PD 3.2 SPR AVS.

 

[MilaM]

It's a nice and very compact charger. Lack off PPS is a strange omission though.

I think I'll wait for other reputable manufacturers to start supporting the new AVS protocol. I also prefer chargers with two sockets.

 

[MilaM]

I wonder why Apple didn't just support the Programmable Power Supply functionality of the USB-IF Power Delivery 3.0/3.1 standard instead. I believe PPS does a lot the same functionality as PD 3.2 SPR AVS.

This is very strange indeed. I could not find a good explanation in what respect AVS is superior to PPS.

Since most recent fast-chargeable devices use PPS these days, this charger will be less universal than other options on the market. Maybe Apple thinks that customers will only use it with their iPhone?

 

[jonku]

I found this and ordered it. I'll be testing it out on Saturday (to give me chance to run the battery down on my 17PM): https://store.google.com/gb/product/google_usb_c_67w_charger

I got one of these today in readiness for Friday. I can’t comment on speeds and output.

It’s not gone well, and this post is long and VERY boring but…

I charged my iPad and iPhone with it simultaneously, worked fine.

Then I tried charging my Airpods Max (same lightning as my 13PM). Nothing. Thought the APM might need rebooting, did that, still nothing.

Ungplugged, then used the cable (decent quality Anker cable that worked fine with iPad) to charge my Kindle Paperwhite. Nothing.

Then tried charging iPad Pro again. Nothing.

Unplugged from wall, plugged back in. Still nothing.

It was only after plugging my iPhone in again it started working, as did the other port, started working again with the iPad.

Left iPhone charging, unplugged iPad, plugged in Kindle, it worked. Unplugged both, then plugged in Kindle. Nothing.

Maybe my specific charger is faulty, but I suspect it might instead be something to do with it’s prioritising. Obviously it’s designed for new Pixel phones, not my crusty old 13PM, but there’s something odd going on.

It only got mildly warm when it charged iPhone and iPad, but I figured I would try again when it was definitely cool. Same problem.

Anyway, it’s going back to Amazon.

 

[bluespark]

The article does a poor job of explaining what this charger does and what makes it unique.

All chargers that support USB-PD can vary their power output according to what the device needs, up to a specific limit.

What this particular charger does it it allows the charger to go 20 watts over its charging limit to 60 watts if certain conditions are met (ie: it's not too hot), and it can only do it for a limited amount of time. It's sort of like the turbo mode on a CPU, it can boost to a higher clock speed for certain tasks but it usually can't sustain that maximum speed indefinitely.

So in effect with this version of the USB-PD standard you get the size of a 40 watt charger with the ability to boost to 60 watts for fast charging and similar scenarios.

Helpful explanation, thanks. Is this the same thing, though, as saying this is a 60W charger that throttles when it gets hot? Or is there some other advantage over, say, a charger rated for 60W?

 

[swrobel]

Wrong form factor. This looks like it will block multiple outlets on a power strip

 

[citysnaps]

For about a week or two, until other companies release their version. It's a new standard, and not proprietary.

Are other USB chargers (such as Anker's and many others) UL certified, as Apple's are? I won't use a charger that isn't and marked as such on the charger.

 

[DaniTheFox]

This is very strange indeed. I could not find a good explanation in what respect AVS is superior to PPS.

Since most recent fast-chargeable devices use PPS these days, this charger will be less universal than other options on the market. Maybe Apple thinks that customers will only use it with their iPhone?

PPS must adapt in 20mV steps instread of 100mV for AVS. You think this should be an atvantage. But bad cables fluctuate in this range. This means to much flipping around.

 

[Reason077]

Can't wait for a UK version of this charger. Absolutely love my Apple 20W UK adapter (the one with the folding pins). This 40-60W adaptive version would be the GOAT charger!!

 

[aevan]

The article does a poor job of explaining what this charger does and what makes it unique.

All chargers that support USB-PD can vary their power output according to what the device needs, up to a specific limit.

What this particular charger does it it allows the charger to go 20 watts over its charging limit to 60 watts if certain conditions are met (ie: it's not too hot), and it can only do it for a limited amount of time. It's sort of like the turbo mode on a CPU, it can boost to a higher clock speed for certain tasks but it usually can't sustain that maximum speed indefinitely.

So in effect with this version of the USB-PD standard you get the size of a 40 watt charger with the ability to boost to 60 watts for fast charging and similar scenarios.

But would a larger charger, like a 100 watt one charge the iPhone 17 Pro just as fast? Because I see people mentioning a new standard.... I know almost nothing about chargers

 

[MilaM]

PPS must adapt in 20mV steps instread of 100mV for AVS. You think this should be an atvantage. But bad cables fluctuate in this range. This means to much flipping around.

Thanks for this explanation. Even though I have no background in electrical engineering, it does make (some) sense to me.

Since many devices use PPS, would it not still be beneficial to have a charger that supports both protocol versions?

 

[trip1ex]

The key advantage is the downward facing USBC port when plugged into a wall outlet


...like, for example, if you have a printer in the corner of your office on a room spanning ~15" high media shelf that is ~4" from the wall outlet that your phone charger is often plugged into.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

I imagine using a regular 40w charger should still be faster than iPhone 16 pro, since this one was limited to 31w

 

[MacRumorUser78]

Why not give the plug two USB-C ports and divide the 40W between them, give the whole thing to one port when charging one device and divide the power up when using both ports. That would be worth getting.

More ports preferred. I get that some (many?) will want faster charging and two ports complicates that a lot. But I'll forgo that for two or more ports. iPhone 17 coming will be a big step to getting me out of Lightening and other USB. But it will be many years before all USB-A and micro/mini devices are history. Some aren't heavily used and will probably be in use five years from now.

 

[Reason077]

I am guessing it’s kind of pointless to purchase this to use with any iPhone models that are older than the 17s? I already have a USB C charger that can output up to 60W but didn’t know if this one did something with the iOS to let it charge the phone faster…

It won't charge your iPhone any faster than your existing 60W charger. But it'll almost certainly be more compact and portable than any existing 60W charger you have.

 

[Reason077]

Wrong form factor. This looks like it will block multiple outlets on a power strip

It's based on the form factor of Apple's existing UK 20W adapter. UK plugs are much larger with more clearance between plugs on a power strip, so no concerns there. The US version of the 20W adapter was notably a completely different design, probably for exactly the reason you suggest.

 

[lmlphx]

The website ChargerLAB today published a teardown of Apple's new 40W Dynamic Power Adapter with 60W Max, which has a key advantage over one of its other chargers.

Specifically, the teardown shows the new 40W to 60W charger is roughly the same size as Apple's 20W charger, despite its higher wattage for faster charging speeds. In other words, you are getting more power from a smaller charger, although the 40W to 60W model costs $39 in the U.S., while the 20W option costs $19.

Apple's 40W-60W charger on left and 20W charger on right (Image: ChargerLAB)​

To achieve this, the charger supports USB-C Power Delivery 3.2 with SPR AVS (Standard Power Range Adjustable Voltage Supply), according to ChargerLAB.

The teardown confirms the charger can approach its 60W limit, but this will only be in short bursts, due to the thermal limitations of its compact design.

In addition to the U.S., the 40W Dynamic Power Adapter with 60W Max is available to order in Canada, China, Japan, Mexico, Taiwan, and the Philippines. It appears to be the spiritual successor to Apple's discontinued 30W adapter, which is still included with the base-model 13-inch MacBook Air and the Apple Vision Pro for now.

iPhone 17, iPhone 17 Pro, and iPhone 17 Pro Max models can be charged up to 50% in 20 minutes with a compatible charger, including the 40W to 60W one.

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When might a wireless charger Qi2 be coming out that is more than 15 or 25 W provided for the iPhone? For my iPhone 15 Pro I had a three and one charger but it only provides 15 W for the iPhone. And I haven't been able to find anyone doing a wireless charger with more wattage maybe than 25 W for the iPhone.

 

[Beau10]

I've had a slim 65watt GAN charger (Trebleet) for at least a couple years that does a similar kick down from 65 -> 45 watts after about 10 minutes.

It's exactly the same weight at 80 grams, half the price, has two ports, and is in a more convenient form factor.