Apple's New Face ID Biometric System Works in the Dark and When Your Face is Obscured by Hats and Beards

[2010mini]

Can you please provide me a link to say we don't have unique finger prints? Also you might have to tell all law inforcement and legal people they have got t wrong

Uniqueness of fingerprints haven’t been proven. But they are different enough that it can be verified by an expert. Even so, people have been wrongfully accused of crimes based on fingerprint evidence.

Search Brandon Mayfield Madrid bombing. And Shirley McKie, a police officer in Scotland.

 

[Piggie]

Full face crash helmets as most people wear.
Not open face ones!

 

[lordofthereef]

Obviously it does. Do you really think Apple would release a security feature that they didn't spend an immense amount of time protecting one's privacy and security over something they didn't have complete faith in?

Respectfully, I try to keep away from the “top big to fail” mentality. One would assume that yes, they have complete faith in it. But it’s still worth asking the questions imo.

 

[44267547]

Respectfully, I try to keep away from the “top big to fail” mentality. One would assume that yes, they have complete faith in it. But it’s still worth asking the questions imo.

In Retrospect, I also asked does somebody think Apple would really release a product that would compromise someone else's privacy? But then look at the history of this company and what they value. Security. It's not just about making electronics products, it's the technology they invest into features like Face ID that protects your security and privacy. Which is exactly why they would never release something they didn't feel had a maturity To the next level of security.

 

[himanshumodi]

They can sell as hard as they like, for most day to day use cases touch-id is simply better. This will be validated if they ever include an in-display touch-id. There is no reason for them to go down that path, if they genuinely believe that face-id is better. Not that we know for sure that they are exploring that option... But I do hope they are!
[doublepost=1505383760][/doublepost]

This is actually pretty cool. I don't understand why they had to spend so much time showcasing animoji while completely ignoring this usecase. I wonder if they'll go further with the technology and make it possible to control the device with facial gestures. Could be huge for people with disabilities if you think of it.

This has been around for a while now. Some Android devices and apps stop videos when you look away. Super annoying implementation!

 

[opfreak]

Not me.. touch id has been a pain for me.. my hands are sweaty and the home button gets dirty real quik and as a result it wont recognize my finger print.. more ofthen than not i have to resort to polishing the button before it works. Or just use password .

Also if my hand are wetter than a certain amount the touch id does not work.

So all in all i am for face id.. bigtime.

Doesn't faceid still require you to interact with the screen after unlocking?

 

[Piggie]

Could this be incorporated into a human, so that your wife stops talking when you are not looking at her?

 

[macduke]

Yes. Sunglasses.

Glad someone got the joke!

 

[Phonephreak]

I disagree. That would made it a lot more difficult to reach, especially for the Plus models. Which means you have to use your thumb in most cases. One handed use to reach the power button would not be easily accessible, and Apple is about accessibility. Even trying that on my iPhone right now, is not an easy thing to do one-handed.

This is the problem. Accessibility is worse with face ID. You need to look at phone to unlock. Touch ID doesn’t have this problem.
[doublepost=1505392086][/doublepost]

I'm sure people would be excited about this, if that phone was $799.

It's like dating a hot woman, ignoring the wart on her face and the notch on her neck, but then realising, that she already has 4 Kids and no job...

But then she not hot.

 

[flat five]

This is the problem. Accessibility is worse with face ID. You need to look at phone to unlock. Touch ID doesn’t have this problem.

you use your phone without looking at it?

 

[EdT]

Yeah… that's a misconception. Fingerprints are a lot more common than people think. There's at least one other person who has your fingerprints, if not more.

Touch ID stored samplings of your fingerprint, not a 100% accurate copy of it. When comparing it looks for feature matches, and if a high enough percentage of those match the stored samples (it had you take multiple snapshots of your finger during setup and asked you to change finger orientation) it says that you are who you claim to be. I don't know how many points or what the threshold for matching is. But identical twins probably have a good chance of being able to fool their siblings phone. And random close family members have a statistically higher chance than a random person picked at large.

 

[HornbackMD]

Questions (one not as serious as the others):

If I'm sleeping, can someone put the phone up to my face and get in? Do eyes have to be open for it to work?

How easy would it be for a police officer or even a criminal element to just put the phone up to a person's face to access the data?

What about twins? Can a twin open his/her sibling's phone?

 

[Phonephreak]

you use your phone without looking at it?

No but it’s already unlocked by the time it’s out of my pocket.

 

[Jeremy1026]

I'll believe it when I see it. An incorrect scan once a week is enough of a convenience for me to never purchase.

I assume you didn't have a 5s, or even a 6. Touch IDs fail rate on those devices was easily more than once a week.
[doublepost=1505393365][/doublepost]

If I'm sleeping, can someone put the phone up to my face and get in? Do eyes have to be open for it to work?

How easy would it be for a police officer or even a criminal element to just put the phone up to a person's face to access the data?

If only they mentioned this in the article...

Face ID When Unconscious or Sleeping

If someone knocks you unconscious or attempts to unlock your iPhone X with your face while you're sleeping, it's not going to work.

As mentioned above, you need to look at your iPhone for Face ID to grant access to your device.

 

[EdT]

now seriously if the person suffer some kind of accident that causes some partial temporary disfiguration like being bruise and heavely swollen then they won't be able to use their phone if they have face id on, until their face go back to normal, but what about a permanent disfiguration like a car accident that changes the shape of your face or your head. what about drastically burning your face, you can call apple but i'm sure they are not going to help, the only way to access your data is if you have it in you iCloud drive then you can use your mac or any other device to access that data using your apple id, but if you have 2SA or 2FA enable in the device that has face id enable then how can you allow the other device to access you account, unless by some miracle you already gave permission to that device before, if you clean your history in safari then you have to the whole process again. allow and trust

Your scenario is just as valid for Touch ID. What happens if you horribly scar the fingers you used to set up the feature? Or you lost your entire hand? Trying to program for the exception is a losing proposition. No matter what you provide for there will be some situation or setup that will defeat it.

That's why the password code is there. An entry point when the biometric security fails.

 

[dewski]

As if the touch ID works all the time in all conditions.

it doesnt, thats why i dont use it

 

[lamerica80]

I'm wondering about unlocking a phone that's mounted in a dock in the car. The fingerprint reader is very easily used without taking eyes off the road. FaceID needs to be no worse than glancing down at the radio.

What exactly is it you want to do with your phone when you unlock it in its dock while driving? Read an email?

GPS keeps screen on all the time. Changing songs can be done without unlocking the phone.

Also, if you have an Apple Watch you can set your phone to stay unlocked while connected to the watch.

 

[dewski]

Touch ID gets an incorrect scan once a week

Thats why i dont use it. I dont passcode lock my phone.
[doublepost=1505393855][/doublepost]

Touch ID gets an incorrect scan once a week

thats why i dont use it
[doublepost=1505393927][/doublepost]

Be honest. How many incorrect Touch ID scans do you get? I get at least a couple per day.

I don't use it. I tried it once and it didn't work. I am too impatient for passcodes and touch id so I dont use either.
[doublepost=1505393962][/doublepost]

Touch ID fails for me more than once a week, especially if my hands are a bit wet. Have you never placed your thumb to unlock and been required to try again?

I have, thats why I dont use it. Its too much of an inconvenience.
[doublepost=1505394050][/doublepost]

I assume you didn't have a 5s, or even a 6. Touch IDs fail rate on those devices was easily more than once a week.
[doublepost=1505393365][/doublepost]

If only they mentioned this in the article...

I mean to say inconvenience. Touch ID is terrible and slow and a waste of time. I dont use a passcode because of this.
[doublepost=1505394107][/doublepost]

You are making it sound as Touch ID would never fail!
Like with wet fingers etc?

Meant to say inconvenience. I do not like touch ID and do not use it.

 

[ErikGrim]

Questions (one not as serious as the others):

If I'm sleeping, can someone put the phone up to my face and get in? Do eyes have to be open for it to work?

How easy would it be for a police officer or even a criminal element to just put the phone up to a person's face to access the data?

What about twins? Can a twin open his/her sibling's phone?

These have been answered many times, but for the people down the back:

1) No. Yes.

2) Difficult. You can look away or close your eyes.

3) Yes, probably. Have to be identical, and very very identical. If they do, they are the evil one however.

 

[nikaru]

I'll believe it when I see it. An incorrect scan once a week is enough of a convenience for me to never purchase.

A normal person would unlock his phone several dozens of time a day or hundreds per week. So if Face ID fails to work 1 in a 100 you would conclude that it sucks?
[doublepost=1505397759][/doublepost]

Questions (one not as serious as the others):

If I'm sleeping, can someone put the phone up to my face and get in? Do eyes have to be open for it to work?

How easy would it be for a police officer or even a criminal element to just put the phone up to a person's face to access the data?

What about twins? Can a twin open his/her sibling's phone?

If you have facial awareness function, you cant unlock it without looking at it with your eyes. If you have your eyes closed, the Face ID wont authenticate you. If you disable it, it will unlock with the eyes closed, yes.

The police or criminal can unlock your phone with your face, just like they can unlock it with Touch ID when you are handcuffed or unconscious.

About the twins, they can go to hell.

In summary, any biometric security functions can be tricked. I will chose the most secure one and the fastest one.

 

[dewski]

A normal person would unlock his phone several dozens of time a day or hundreds per week. So if Face ID fails to work 1 in a 100 you would conclude that it sucks?
[doublepost=1505397759][/doublepost]

If you have facial awareness function, you cant unlock it without looking at it with your eyes. If you have your eyes closed, the Face ID wont authenticate you. If you disable it, it will unlock with the eyes closed, yes.

The police or criminal can unlock your phone with your face, just like they can unlock it with Touch ID when you are handcuffed or unconscious.

About the twins, they can go to hell.

In summary, any biometric security functions can be tricked. I will chose the most secure one and the fastest one.

Yes, just like how I concluded that touch ID sucks.

 

[EdT]

These have been answered many times, but for the people down the back:

1) No. Yes.

2) Difficult. You can look away or close your eyes.

3) Yes, probably. Have to be identical, and very very identical. If they do, they are the evil one however.

Are you sure about point 3? I saw a South Park where the alternative universe Cartman was nice.

 

[IGI2]

This article almost sounds like someone cut and paste (or paraphrased) some Apple press info.


Nope. That wasn't the issue. It failed twice, which is the limit for Face ID apparently, according to updated information posted today.

Update: Face ID is disabled after two unsuccessful attempts, requiring the user to enter the device passcode in order to be re-enabled, as described in Apple's developer beta documentation, implying that Federighi was unable to authenticate the first device.

Apple's statement is that the iPhone scanned the faces of people who brought iPhone to this place that's why the attempts were already used out.

 

[EugW]

Apple's statement is that the iPhone scanned the faces of people who brought iPhone to this place that's why the attempts were already used out.

That's still somewhat of a fail with the process. In comparison, that is generally not an issue with Touch ID (unless your kid is mashing on the home button or something).

 

[jujufreeze]

well