You have any links to that or can you elaborate?
The EP-2697 is configured for dual CPU configurations with two QPI. I'm not seeing the conflict, albeit it may be a driver issue of running TB off of both CPU's.
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You have any links to that or can you elaborate?
The EP-2697 is configured for dual CPU configurations with two QPI. I'm not seeing the conflict, albeit it may be a driver issue of running TB off of both CPU's.
Are you sure about that? People said that TB couldn't be used with xeons at all, and that's what these machines are doing. Also, these machines have TB2, is it possible that update changes the restriction (assuming it's a real one)?
monstrous! those scores are really really huge. can't wait for the mac pro, i hope it's not too expensive.
You and I both know that Apple isn't going to be giving us heavy iron systems anymore.
It's all about building an upgrade path from the headless Mac Mini (with 5-6 external boxes connected via USB, FW800, and TBolt) to the iMac (with 5-6 external boxes connected via USB, FW800, and TBolt) to the Mac Pro (with 5-6 external boxes connected via USB, FW800, and TBolt).
Or from a Retina Macbook Pro (with 5-6 external boxes connected via USB, FW800, and TBolt) to a MacPro (with 5-6 external boxes connected via USB, FW800, and TBolt)
In the rare case that someone with an OG Mac Pro with internal capture cards and RAIDed HDDs or SSDs wants to upgrade they'll only have two choices.
1.) Get the new Mac Pro and then spend another $2000 for external enclosures for the PCIe cards and such. Gain an increase of about 10% or even if it was running a goofy benchmarking system in a 32 bit OS you'll get a 20% increase but still have to deal (with 5-6 external boxes connected via USB, FW800, and TBolt).
Or
2.) Spend the same amount of money on a PC system that does have internal expansion yet no Thunderbolt but will have up to a 30% or more increase in performance depending on the money you spend.
Personally, I am hoping the Mac Pro is priced right. I don't have any capture or internal cards, nor any highend internal RAID setups.
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If true, that's a really poor decision. What about the people who recently upgraded to a 5.1 MP? Are they supposed to sell their new machine? Maybe they can use the GPU on their existing machines?
I don't know, it's all speculation. Hopefully They've learned from the FCP disaster though.
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You sound very sure. How many DAWs have you written? Do you even know what's involved?
What you're not understanding is that I'm not going to spend money on a machine with super fast GPUs if I can't use them with the software I need.
How is that silly?
The new Mac Pro is heavy iron, but I'm surprised to learn that it is single CPU... I would need dual CPU to justify an upgrade.
You don't know that because Dell, HP, etc. don't yet have systems based on the new Xeon architecture. This is also not a valid comparison because the single CPU Mac Pro will cost far less than $10k. These are total straw man arguments.
Why are you presuming software currently written for Mac Pros would not be updated to take advantage of the new Mac Pro's compute power? You make up a scenario in your mind and then draw a silly conclusion based upon that. You are also saying something really negative about the maker of your preferred software - that they are essentially lazy and would not want to update their product.
I understand why you and people like you go through these types of rhetorical gyrations. It's a natural defense mechanism when you want control over something, but can't have it. Making up illogical hypotheticals and then freaking out about them or getting upset is nothing more than a way to regain control over a new and unknown situation.
I am confident Apple is going to wow all of you by the time the machine is introduced. You know, I have a suggestion. Before speculating whether the maker of your preferred software will update their software for Mac Pro, maybe you should just pick up the phone and ask them? Perhaps they are going to give you a positive response, then what would you moan about?
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What do you currently use?
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All external GPUs and expansion would be bandwidth limited by TB 2.
It's pretty logical to think Dell and HP would continue to offer dual Xeon configurations with the new chips.
With the higher ram speed and PCIe based SSD I expected major bottlenecks to be out of the way. This may be only a preliminary Geekbench score but lets be honest, they aren't going to get any more than fractional improvment in that score from tweaking the hardware and fixing "issues".
The real difference I think we are seeing here is that a 12 core single processor is not as wide as a 12 core dual processor.
That is probably why the old Mac pro is almost holding even with the new one despite the improved performance of memory and storage subsystems.
One mouth can't chew data as fast as two mouths.
The real difference I think we are seeing here is that a 12 core single processor is not as wide as a 12 core dual processor.
That is probably why the old Mac pro is almost holding even with the new one despite the improved performance of memory and storage subsystems.
One mouth can't chew data as fast as two mouths.
Considering the new Mac Pro has nothing you actually need physical access to post-setup (like no ODD slot/tray to retain access to) just stuff it in a low dark corner.
It's not heavy iron not even by layman definitions.
Even with a single socket, the OG Mac Pro was heavy iron based on the amount of internal expansion it had.
The new Mac Pro is a workhorse, and will be worlds faster than an iMac given the config, but it's more a modular box that can serve many purposes than a heavy iron system whose only purpose is to be as fast and as expandable as technically possible.
There is no Apple exclusivity with Thunderbolt. We have an Asus laptop at my work that we use for field production. It has a TB port that connects to an external PCIe box to output broadcast quality video.
It will be a little while before these ports show up on workstations. Like servers, workstation class hardware tends to lag a little bit when it comes to bleeding edge connectivity.
Oh, I'm fine with that solution. I'm just seeing many touting the reduced size as a feature for clearing desk space.
My experience with DIYs tell me otherwise. The single 12-core CPU should be faster than two comparable six cores if Apple hasn't innovated its way into a hot as hell thermal corner by trying to subtract whats in the box (to take it outside of the box), but forgetting that what's still in the box are still the greatest heat generators. It's a thermal issue that holding back that 12-core Ivy. It should be getting Geekbench 2 64-bit scores of between 32,000 to 36,000 [See post # 4 here: https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=17418625#post17418625 ].