Apple's New Mac Pro Begins Showing Up in Benchmarks

[derbothaus]

And the "real" pro will be finished with his design work while you're still doing the drawing.

Stop using 'real' pro. Please. The only qualifier is whether you make money. No one is more pro than anyone else. Just pro and non-pro.

 

[Macsonic]

Thunderbolt was waiting for Mac Pro. They will come. Whether welcome or not.

We also don't have any idea on how third party suppliers will respond in coming up with Thunderbolt 2 devices and the time frame and pricing.

 

[greenythebeast]

The fanboys are definitely out in this thread trying to salvage this mess haha.

 

[CIA]

And the "real" pro will be finished with his design work while you're still doing the drawing.

Technically I guess a "real pro" can work on any machine, even a 2008 MacBook. We here are all more arguing what was expected for a top of the line flagship MacPro machine. We got a miniPro, when there could have been so much more. If there ever was a machine to throw everything possible into it, the whole kitchen sink, it's the pro. It sells low numbers already, so why not build it into a monster beast that other computers fear?

Again, I think the machine Apple has shown does have a place in the lineup, I just don't think it should be replacing the current MacPro.

 

[Peace]

Stop using 'real' pro. Please. The only qualifier is whether you make money. No one is more pro than anyone else. Just pro and non-pro.

If you were a "real" pro you would know the difference between the guy that makes a living off selling hacked graphics cards to MR members and a company like Pixar.

 

[derbothaus]

Well, that's kind of my point. It was never widely adopted. It was (and still is) hard to find any options for TB. Of those you can find, they are crazy expensive - and as you say, it is not because TB is new. It has been around for awhile. It just never took off. I don't think it is unreasonable to be skeptical of TB2. There is a history there after all.

Very valid concerns, yes. I personally don't care but I feel it is coming. Lots of goodies at NAB. Lot's of enthusiasm for it.

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

Hi, welcome to the real world. This product is made by Apple. It will cost closer to $2,999.

And HP workstations are cheaper?

 

[diazj3]

The benchmarks look kind of...underwhelming.

I agree... not even 10% improvement!

I hope other tests throw much better results.

 

[handsome pete]

are you speaking for multiple people now? if you don't see the difference between 1 cpu and 2, I don't know what more to tell you.

Do the total core counts not matter at all? Isn't that an important metric? What is it you're trying to claim with your 1cpu vs. 2cpu comparison?

 

[rhuber]

The fanboys are definitely out in this thread trying to salvage this mess haha.

I am kind of a Fanboy too. I am not a fan of the iPhone, but I am nuts over my macs. The new mac pro kinda has my underwear in a munch though. I'm just not quite seeing a step up here. It's a great side-step, but I was really hankering to up.

 

[derbothaus]

If you were a "real" pro you would know the difference between the guy that makes a living off selling hacked graphics cards to MR members and a company like Pixar.

I guess that is a more valid use. But still. Money changes hands due to computer parts and support. Ding ding ding. Pro! I must be more forgiving.

 

[MacVidCards]

The fanboys are definitely out in this thread trying to salvage this mess haha.

You know they're hurting when they resort to personal attacks. Sad really.

 

[blackhand1001]

Ok? I'm not sure what you're trying to say about the mechanical part since I didn't say anything. Did you mean to say the solid state would cost more?

As for GHz, it means nothing. It hasn't meant anything for several years now. All the focus is on multiple cores and GPUs with compute capability. There are GPUs that can do 10x of the computation that a CPU can do in several areas.

This single 12-core 2.7Ghz beats the crap out of two 6-core 3.06GHZ CPUs.

Those two 6-core cpus are like 3 generations old. It better beat them. They are based on the first generation core i7 architecture.

 

[Wreckem]

Technically I guess a "real pro" can work on any machine, even a 2008 MacBook. We here are all more arguing what was expected for a top of the line flagship MacPro machine. We got a miniPro, when there could have been so much more. If there ever was a machine to throw everything possible into it, the whole kitchen sink, it's the pro. It sells low numbers already, so why not build it into a monster beast that other computers fear?

Again, I think the machine Apple has shown does have a place in the lineup, I just don't think it should be replacing the current MacPro.

What they are showing is a $5000 machine. What you are wanting is a $10000 machine.

 

[portishead]

Do the total core counts not matter at all? Isn't that an important metric? What is it you're trying to claim with your 1cpu vs. 2cpu comparison?

yeah man, basic math. 1>2.

 

[MacVidCards]

If you were a "real" pro you would know the difference between the guy that makes a living off selling hacked graphics cards to MR members and a company like Pixar.

I've been in the film biz since 1987.

Worked my way up from PA to Art Director and moved to Hollywood in 1994.

Somehow, I've made it here. GPUs became a sideline when I went to edit my reel and FCP coughed up a "Non supported GPU" warning. GPUs are a sideline. Just got an email today to design a kitchen set for a new cooking show.

Just designed a big campaign for Amazon for their Kindle and Prime.

Oh, and I was selling 80 column cards for Apple IIs in my dad's store in 1982.

But I'm sure you're much more of a "Pro" then I.

Or ****.

 

[portishead]

If you were a "real" pro you would know the difference between the guy that makes a living off selling hacked graphics cards to MR members and a company like Pixar.

Haha, that is brilliant mate!

 

[derbothaus]

Apple uses UPOD. This was "leaked" to lower expectations.

Yes. Because what they need to do now more than ever is lower expectations.

 

[portishead]

I've been in the film biz since 1987.

Worked my way up from PA to Art Director and moved to Hollywood in 1994.

Somehow, I've made it here. GPUs became a sideline when I went to edit my reel and FCP coughed up a "Non supported GPU" warning. GPUs are a sideline. Just got an email today to design a kitchen set for a new cooking show.

Just designed a big campaign for Amazon for their Kindle and Prime.

Oh, and I was selling 80 column cards for Apple IIs in my dad's store in 1982.

But I'm sure you're much more of a "Pro" then I.

Or ****.

I'm a big time film director. Nobody lies or exaggerates on the internet.

 

[Wreckem]

Those two 6-core cpus are like 3 generations old. It better beat them. They are based on the first generation core i7 architecture.

Westmere EP, Sandy Bridge EP, and Ivy Bridge EP.

There is only one generation between Westmere and Ivy and the Ivy Bridge generation is only marginally faster than Sandy Bridge generation.

 

[portishead]

You know they're hurting when they resort to personal attacks. Sad really.

It's sad when people feel the need to brag on the internet about how successful they are. I don't see many personal attacks.

 

[CIA]

What they are showing is a $5000 machine. What you are wanting is a $10000 machine.

Well, I'm typing this (while waiting on a render) on my top of the line 2008 MacPro. 8x3.2 with 16GB of RAM. It's lasted this long because I've swapped the GPU twice (8800->5870->7950) and slapped in a PCIe eSATA card. It drives a huge RAID, boots off a SSD. (PCIe SSD drive coming when prices drop a teensy bit more). Plus it has a nice Fiber card to connect to the AVID MediaNET network here for other video storage.

Rebuilding this equivalent machine with the new MP will run me at least $3,000 in new Thunderbolt accessories (probably $300 just for thunderbolt cables).
Plus who knows how much the new MP will cost?

I'm looking Hackintosh or Refub top of the line existing MP at the moment. But who knows, maybe they will shock us and sell the new MP for under $3k?

 

[Wreckem]

Well, I'm typing this (while waiting on a render) on my top of the line 2008 MacPro. 8x3.2 with 16GB of RAM. It's lasted this long because I've swapped the GPU twice (8800->5870->7950) and slapped in a PCIe eSATA card. It drives a huge RAID, boots of a SSD. (PCIe SSD drive coming when prices drop a teensy bit more). Plus it has a nice Fiber card to connect to the AVID MediaNET network here for other video storage.

Rebuilding this equivalent machine with the new MP will run me at least $3,000 in new Thunderbolt accessories (probably $300 just for thunderbolt cables).
Plus who knows how much the new MP will cost?

I'm looking Hackintosh or Refub top of the line existing MP at the moment. But who knows, maybe they will shock us and sell the new MP for under $3k?

Maybe the base model, but what they are showing is well over $3k because the processor alone is over $2000 and that is OEM pricing. The graphic chips are $500-$1k a piece, and its quite plausible the PCIe SSD they are using is $1k if it is in fact a 1TB drive. None of that includes Apples markup either.

 

[handsome pete]

yeah man, basic math. 1>2.

C'mon, there's more to it than that and you know it. Stop being so passive aggressive.

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It's sad when people feel the need to brag on the internet about how successful they are. I don't see many personal attacks.

I'm not trying to take sides here, but he clearly responding to someone attacking his credibility.

 

[MacVidCards]

buried by the Fanbois, don't want anyone to forget