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Even if I posted my banking information public, how do you know I am not providing information that belongs to other? Or how do you vertify my information.

I could go online just generate a random bank account number and credit card number.

It is so pointless and stupid.

By the way, it is so easily to apply bank account using false information now days. All you need is some fake IDs. You can open bank account online in few minutes. I can easily do that. And what is point to get that.
So now you're saying you would lie to us and post false account information, in order to protect your valuable real information. Nice dodge. But, LovingTeddy, why would you lie to us? I shouldn't have to verify the accuracy of your information. You should be happy to post your real banking and investment information here, since it's just 1's and 0's, and we only want a copy of the 1's and 0's.
 
So now you're saying you would lie to us and post false account information, in order to protect your valuable real information. Nice dodge. But, LovingTeddy, why would you lie to us? I shouldn't have to verify the accuracy of your information. You should be happy to post your real banking and investment information here, since it's just 1's and 0's, and we only want a copy of the 1's and 0's.

So how do you know if I lied or not?

Oh since you just ask for copy of 0 or 1. Here is my banking information converted to 0 and 1.


11100001110100011100111.

You can decode that
 
It's 15%, and Spotify are free to omit the ability to sign up in-app if they don't like the terms. Part of in-app subscriptions is that you get billed by Apple for all of them and can manage them from the AppStore UI. Its all part of how the feature works.
Sadly, you won't get through to him, you're just getting in the way of his temper tantrum - he's so certain of what is true he isn't going to let mere facts get in the way.
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So how do you know if I lied or not?
How do I know if you lied?!? Teddy, you have the ability to tell the truth - at least I'm hoping you do - why would you lie to us? Are you telling us you are so bereft of moral fiber that you are no longer capable of telling the truth? You are the one telling us that 1's and 0's have no value. So why would you lie to us? What would you have to hide, or protect, by lying to us? I would expect that, when you post all your financial information (websites, accounts, and passwords) in this thread, it will all be entirely truthful and accurate, because you have repeatedly explained to us that 1's and 0's have no value and can and should be copied around freely. This is your opportunity to, quite literally, put your money where your mouth is. Oh, could you also include your complete name, address, phone number, birth date, place of employment, employer's name and phone number, mother's maiden name, names and addresses of all your relatives, credit card numbers, and any other relevant bits, please? It is, after all, just 1's and 0's. Thanks.
 
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Sadly, you won't get through to him, you're just getting in the way of his temper tantrum - he's so certain of what is true he isn't going to let mere facts get in the way.

30% is just money grab no matter how you want defend Apple.

Apple created a rule bans other ap store exists on iOS, bans other way app distribution channel. Then come charge anyone who use its monopolized App Store to charge app developer 30%.

It is just money grabbing and blind Apple fans will always defend Apple. I will never buy app on App Store and I will never subscribed to any Apple services. I only buy refurbished iPhone. Never give this greddy company any my dollars
 
Didn't Netflix have to raise their prices to start making money? And doesn't Netflix lack the free option that is causing Spotify to lose money? And doesn't Netflix have an option to pay through the app where it adds the 30%?
If I am not wrong, a Netflix subscription costs the same regardless of whether you sign up for it through the app store or via the website. Obviously, Netflix gets a smaller cut if you do so via iOS (which is the chief reason I allowed my Netflix subscription to lapse so I could re-sign up for it through their website, as I felt they deserved a larger cut of the profits for their efforts), but I assume it's able to continue turning a profit nevertheless. I guess it also helps that Apple currently doesn't compete with them in that area yet.

It is just money grabbing and blind Apple fans will always defend Apple. I will never buy app on App Store and I will never subscribed to any Apple services. I only buy refurbished iPhone. Never give this greddy company any my dollars

I can't imagine using an iPhone with just free apps (unless you have jailbroken your phone). And I don't understand why you don't simply go with Android and pirate / sideload the apps you want, since you are so averse to paying for content. See what they think of it.

Your actions don't affect me, so I really couldn't care less, and it seems that you are just doing yourself a major disservice simply to prove a rather misguided point.
 
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Sadly, you won't get through to him, you're just getting in the way of his temper tantrum - he's so certain of what is true he isn't going to let mere facts get in the way.
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How do I know if you lied?!? Teddy, you have the ability to tell the truth - at least I'm hoping you do - why would you lie to us? Are you telling us you are so bereft of moral fiber that you are no longer capable of telling the truth? You are the one telling us that 1's and 0's have no value. So why would you lie to us? What would you have to hide, or protect, by lying to us? I would expect that, when you post all your financial information (websites, accounts, and passwords) in this thread, it will all be entirely truthful and accurate, because you have repeatedly explained to us that 1's and 0's have no value and can and should be copied around freely.


So I give u bunch of 1 and 0. It is up to you to determine.
 
If I am not wrong, a Netflix subscription costs the same regardless of whether you sign up for it through the app store or via the website. Obviously, Netflix gets a smaller cut if you do so via iOS (which is the chief reason I allowed my Netflix subscription to lapse so I could re-sign up for it through their website, as I felt they deserved a larger cut of the profits for their efforts), but I assume it's able to continue turning a profit nevertheless. I guess it also helps that Apple currently doesn't compete with them in that area yet.



I can't imagine using an iPhone with just free apps (unless you have jailbroken your phone). And I don't understand why you don't simply go with Android and pirate / sideload the apps you want, since you are so averse to paying for content. See what they think of it.

Your actions don't affect me, so I really couldn't care less, and it seems that you are just doing yourself a major disservice simply to prove a rather misguided point.


I do and majority of my phone usage is done on Nexus 5X and 6P.

I would buy paid app on Play Store if I incline to pay. But so far, I haven't found any thing worth to pay or there are free alternatives. Majority of paid app on iOS are free on Android with ad support. And I don't mind of ad if i don't pay anything.

I hate Apple bans every other alternative and charge everyone. Apple is biggest bully in town and Tim love discribe Apple as moral upholder.
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Again, proving you want to hide your information, because it is valuable to you. I'm so disappointed in you, Teddy. You had a chance to stand up for what you say you believe in, and you failed miserably.

So how do you know that is not real information. I am disappointed that you can't tell what is real and what is fake.

I gave you what you want and what else do you want?
 
I would buy paid app on Play Store if I incline to pay. But so far, I haven't found any thing worth to pay or there are free alternatives. Majority of paid app on iOS are free on Android with ad support. And I don't mind of ad if i don't pay anything.

We are the opposite then. I hate ads and always pay to remove them.
 
We are the opposite then. I hate ads and always pay to remove them.

To each own. I really don't mind as. Sometimes ads helps to find something I like. Like one time. I brought a good piece of slow cooker from ad that targeted to me. Targeted ads are good, but random ads are bad.

In Android, ads are more targeted and I am fine with that.
 
To each own. I really don't mind as. Sometimes ads helps to find something I like. Like one time. I brought a good piece of slow cooker from ad that targeted to me. Targeted ads are good, but random ads are bad.

In Android, ads are more targeted and I am fine with that.
You logic is so flawed its infuriating (that's probably what your intentions are anyway). You never bought a slow cooker, cut that crap, target ads my behind.

I've spent thousands of dollars over the years on applications, which have benefit to me and the developers deserve this because it serves the intended purpose it was built for. As mentioned before, your way of thinking is unsustainable and you're a leech in every definition of the word.

These "free" apps wouldn't exist based solely on in app advertisements. Nobody would develop quality apps and spend thousands of dollars in not only machine costs but developer time and work. I assume you work at Foxconn or something with an axe to grind to Apple. I would go out of my way to NOT pay for any work you do for a living, just out of spite.

I download thousands of songs too, but guess what I purchase just as much on the iTunes store. It's been shown before that Apple customers have more disposable income and are the highest paying customers in the mobile area. Without us paying for content, and without Apple taking their cut for promoting such content, you wouldn't have anything to use.
 
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To each own. I really don't mind as. Sometimes ads helps to find something I like. Like one time. I brought a good piece of slow cooker from ad that targeted to me. Targeted ads are good, but random ads are bad.

In Android, ads are more targeted and I am fine with that.
It's not so much about whether ads are well-targeted or not, but moreso that I hate how they take up a portion of my display, which in turn means less useable space and less information displayed. It also spoils the whole immersive experience. Like I am using a chess app on my iPad to show my students how to play chess, and there is an ad that keeps promoting a freemium MMO game, and you can't help but wonder how much it is distracting them.
 
You logic is so flawed its infuriating (that's probably what your intentions are anyway). You never bought a slow cooker, cut that crap, target ads my behind.

I've spent thousands of dollars over the years on applications, which have benefit to me and the developers deserve this because it serves the intended purpose it was built for. As mentioned before, your way of thinking is unsustainable and you're a leech in every definition of the word.

These "free" apps wouldn't exist based solely on in app advertisements. Nobody would develop quality apps and spend thousands of dollars in not only machine costs but developer time and work. I assume you work at Foxconn or something with an axe to grind to Apple. I would go out of my way to NOT pay for any work you do for a living, just out of spite.

I download thousands of songs too, but guess what I purchase just as much on the iTunes store. It's been shown before that Apple customers have more disposable income and are the highest paying customers in the mobile area.
Without us paying for content, and without Apple taking their cut for promoting such content, you wouldn't have anything to use.


I don't care if it is sustainable for app developer. I all care is free app. I don't care about ads, but I won't spend money on app.

Heck I never brought single application ever. If Microsoft charge me money for Windows, I use Linux. If Microsoft charge me for office, I will use Open Office. If there is free alternative, why not use free one?

"Without us paying for content, and without Apple taking their cut for promoting such content, you wouldn't have anything to use."

That's bull. I have used Linux for years, there are lots of quality application. Linux develop do not take cut. Cut that bull about Apple taking cut. Apple is greedy company and it is only for money.
 
I've explained it before in these threads, I'll try one more time:

Apple charges 30% across the board for initial app purchases, in-app purchases, and subscriptions. This is arguably reasonable for purchases of apps (Apple's handling distribution, billing, taxes, security/anti-theft, etc. across hundreds of countries - I've heard multiple highly placed people in the industry say it's reasonable), it's probably a little high for in-app purchases (though, if there were no App Store, there would be no in-app purchases in the first place, because there would be no apps), and is, indeed, pretty high for subscriptions (and this whole sentence is simply my opinions on the pricing, obviously). But... if any of the three avenues for collecting money had a substantially different deal than the others, the developers would all tend to flock to using that method (whether it was a good fit for the app and for the consumer - anyone want to pay monthly subscriptions for calculator apps?) in order to maximize their profit. The other avenues for payment would effectively cease to exist. So, they have historically needed to keep the price the same without exception. Yes, they have recently instituted the bit where subscriptions go from 70/30 to 85/15 after the first year. This doesn't upset the Apple cart (so to speak) very much, because it is a good deal for legit subscription services like Netflix and HBO (and Spotify, if they played along), but very few calculator app developers will find people willing to subscribe for 2+ years just to get the developer a better cut after the first year. So the rest of the App Store is unlikely to slide towards subscriptions because of this new rule - you have to have an app that people will genuinely want to subscribe to for multiple years, to benefit from it. I was actually kind of surprised by how slick and simple the 85/15-after-a-year rule is, in this respect.

Say Apple did what you suggest, let everyone use outside payment methods in apps, while still keeping their pricing at 30% for initial app purchases and Apple-serviced in-app purchases. What happens then? Eventually, nearly every app would switch to free-in-the-store-but-pay-us-through-our-website (because, of course, companies would like as much of the money as possible to stay in their hands). At that point, the App Store has nothing actually for sale, they only have "free" apps (no cost to download and the developers collect their money offsite), and the App Store brings in no income - it becomes unsustainable and perhaps eventually goes away (it does get crazy amounts of traffic, and that does cost quite a bit to maintain). Is that an outcome you want?

Explain again then why this only applies to digital content? I can buy all kinds of stuff in the Amazon app that doesn't give 30% to Apple. Also apps aren't required to offer IAP. Spotify wanted to start a fight but they'll just take away the IAP option and any reference to alternate payment methods in their app and their app update will get approved.

My argument though is really around Apple getting a cut of recurring subscriptions. Apple doesn't host any Spotify content. Even if you could argue that Spotify is acquiring customers they wouldn't otherwise have because of Apple and the App Store does Apple really deserve a cut of the monthly fee these customers pay to Spotify (outside of what it costs to process iTunes billing) vs maybe a one time cut when the customer first subscribes? And once I download an app to my phone is it really part of Apple's store anymore? Outside of iTunes billing what's the difference between signing up for Spotify in their app vs signing up via the browser? I still downloaded the app from the App Store. I'm still using an Apple device. I dunno it seems to me the premium Apple charges for its hardware should in part be supporting the App Store and all the free apps available, not Spotify.

*sigh*. Spotify can remove IAP and deal with browser subscriptions all day, Netflix does. By not complaining I mean they accept the rules of the court (App Store). Google takes 30% off a $4.99 app, how's it different from Apple? Apple clearly states to use their IAP you can't double dip and tell your customers to get it cheaper on the website, ESPECIALLY when they're jacking the price up for the consumer on the IAP to begin with. Spotify can't take a loss for a platform that basically built them and that's why their business model sucks. If they don't get rid of the free tier they won't last.

But Google Play store also allows for alternate payment methods so if someone like Spotify has their own billing they don't have to use Google's IAP option. It's there for smaller developers that don't want to deal with the hassles of credit card support. And of course if Spotify is paying Apple a 30% tax (or whatever you want to call it) they're going to pass it on to the consumer. They know the App Store rules. Spotify did what they did to make noise and call attention to something they think is unfair. They'll fix their app, remove IAP and their app update will get approved by Apple.
 
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Applies equally well to everything you've said. Or do you secretly own and run Google and Spotify?

No, I stated a claim and cited the example where it works. Google play store exists and allows 3rd party payments. And it works, it's not going away like you suggest. You instead cited a hypothetical and act like it's a fact.

Apple would still maintain an app store even if it wasn't as profitable as now, because Apple is primarily a hardware company and selling iPhones is the primary revenue source. So maintaining the app store either way is in Apple's best interests.
 
Explain again then why this only applies to digital content? I can buy all kinds of stuff in the Amazon app that doesn't give 30% to Apple. Also apps aren't required to offer IAP. Spotify wanted to start a fight but they'll just take away the IAP option and any reference to alternate payment methods in their app and their app update will get approved.

My argument though is really around Apple getting a cut of recurring subscriptions. Apple doesn't host any Spotify content. Even if you could argue that Spotify is acquiring customers they wouldn't otherwise have because of Apple and the App Store does Apple really deserve a cut of the monthly fee these customers pay to Spotify (outside of what it costs to process iTunes billing) vs maybe a one time cut when the customer first subscribes? And once I download an app to my phone is it really part of Apple's store anymore? Outside of iTunes billing what's the difference between signing up for Spotify in their app vs signing up via the browser? I still downloaded the app from the App Store. I'm still using an Apple device. I dunno it seems to me the premium Apple charges for its hardware should in part be supporting the App Store and all the free apps available, not Spotify.
It applies to digital content because it's written in the contract agreement like that. You're also using your Amazon account to facilitate the transaction. Spotify can take the IAP away yes, Netflix takes a small loss by providing the same price as the website, Spotify seems to not be able to justify this loss therefore are increasing the price on the customer of the App Store. If you use the IAP, you agree to the cut. You are not forced to use it.

It doesn't have to "make sense" in the price breakdown, the iPhone is sold at an incredible markup which costs nowhere near what it does to make. That 30% does indeed support the free apps too, it supports everything under the umbrella, it's an arbitrary revenue split to give Apple incentive to continue to make the store function the best it can. Spotify is free to use their own billing, which Apple won't get a dime of, they just need to follow the rules they knew were there when they decided to publish their application on the App Store.

No, I stated a claim and cited the example where it works. Google play store exists and allows 3rd party payments. And it works, it's not going away like you suggest. You instead cited a hypothetical and act like it's a fact.

Apple would still maintain an app store even if it wasn't as profitable as now, because Apple is primarily a hardware company and selling iPhones is the primary revenue source. So maintaining the app store either way is in Apple's best interests.

So much wrong, maybe give it a break trifid, you're really missing the point.

Apple set the revenue split from the start of the App Store, this has always been the way. If you have a good product to sell, it's very attractive to developers. I can go on and on but it's mentioned before, all apps would take the less expensive avenue of payments if there was 3 different ways to do so, this would not be a big incentive for Apple to provide the same service the App Store currently does. It's in the developers interest to develop for the App Store not the other way around.

Mostly though, the App Store makes more money than the Google store, this is what's attractive to developers. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...akes-twice-the-money-googles-play-store-does/

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So much wrong, maybe give it a break trifid, you're really missing the point.

Truth hurts I know ;) How in the world can Google allow 3rd party payments whereas Apple resorts to censorship? Because that's what it is, Apple censors developers about informing users they can subscribe directly. Google doesn't. That's a fact.
 
Truth hurts I know ;) How in the world can Google allow 3rd party payments whereas Apple resorts to censorship? Because that's what it is, Apple censors developers about informing users they can subscribe directly. Google doesn't. That's a fact.
Truth right, nothing what you said was "truth" by a long shot. Censorship? I'm really laughing my behind off right now.

Spotify doesn't offer "in app purchase of subscription" on Google Store. I've checked, and I wonder why. However Spotify is double dipping in using Apple's IAP to gouge their customers for $12.99 to retain their bottom line. Only way to purchase Spotify on the Google store app is through Spotify's website. Spotify is free to do that and forcing you to subscribe on their website, just like they do with Google store app.

Honestly, trifid, you should get a little more education.
 
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Spotify doesn't offer "in app purchase of subscription" on Google Store. I've checked, and I wonder why. However Spotify is double dipping in using Apple's IAP to gouge their customers for $12.99 to retain their bottom line. Only way to purchase Spotify on the Google store app is through Spotify's website. Spotify is free to do that and forcing you to subscribe on their website, just like they do with Google store app.

Honestly, trifid, you should get a little more education.

Of course it doesn't, but unlike Apple's app store, Spotify can inform the user or link to their site where the user can subscribe. Apple censors giving such information. Get a little more education yourself buddy.
 
Of course it doesn't, but unlike Apple's app store, Spotify can inform the user or link to their site where the user can subscribe. Apple censors giving such information. Get a little more education yourself buddy.
Spotify willingly chose to participate in the IAP contract. Spotify can provide their application free of charge and have users create an account with Spotify, what's prohibited is using the IAP and doing so at the same time. It's cut and dry, what don't you get?

You can't use Google's billing to purchase a Spotify subscription, Spotify can do the same thing on the iOS app, yet they aren't? Educated my behind.
 
Yeah, it will be much better for the consumer when they have a choice of Apple or Apple. We know how Apple loves to pass on the savings to their loyal followers.

And the beautiful thing is Apple isn’t doing anything except making a proposal to the governing body that DOES set the rates and policy. And if that body accepts the proposal there isn’t a darn thing Elizabeth Warren can do about it. I bet that pisses you iHater/Freetards off big time. Free music streaming is on its last legs. Spotify will have no choice but to get rid of free streaming and raise its rates and deal with real live competition from Apple.
 
Spotify willingly chose to participate in the IAP contract. Spotify can provide their application free of charge and have users create an account with Spotify, what's prohibited is using the IAP and doing so at the same time. It's cut and dry, what don't you get?

Right, but if Spotify would have chosen to not use IAP, Apple censors developers from including any link or information in the app to inform users to subscribe outside. Google doesn't impose such censorship. Get it?
 
Right, but if Spotify would have chosen to not use IAP, Apple bans developers from including any link or information in the app to inform users to subscribe outside. Google doesn't impose such censorship. Get it?
It's quite clear that if you can't buy the subscription with IAP that you can signup on Spotify.com. Are you this uninformed? Netflix and Amazon did this for a long time. You need a Netflix or Amazon account, same goes for Spotify.
 
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