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So for the price of 6 of these batteries and a charger I can buy close to 150 Kirkland branded batteries from CostCo and not have to worry about charging them and the additional cost of that.

If you recycle the batteries when you're done, what's the big deal? Even that fancy Prius has a battery in it that needs to be disposed of eventually...

There's less waste to be dealt with. Whether your one-use batteries are recycled or not, you're causing more work by tossing (sorry, "recycling") 150 batteries versus reusing 6 x 1000. Multiply that by millions or billions of people doing the same thing as you...

And do the math. 6 batteries x 1000 charges = 6000 normal batteries, effectively. So you'd have to buy 40 packs of those 150 Kirkland brand normal batteries. Still cheaper? :rolleyes:
 
Shocking being as apple has never used things made by another company. Thats why apple doesn't contract LG for displays and even goes as far as to mine its own aluminum. Nor has apple ever acquired another company in order to build off its products. Apple has always dedicated plenty of resources to reinventing the wheel regardless of the plethora of wheels available that could be bought out for less than the actual cost of reinventing the wheel.


Well put. Honestly, what passes for a "story" these days...
 
The charger is designed to automatically reduce power usage to 30 milliwatts once it senses that batteries have been fully charged, the lowest "vampire draw" in the industry and 10 times lower than the industry average.
FALSE

While I applaud Apple for working on energy efficiency, Apple's own literature is misleading here, but let's be clear that the items in this MacRumors article are FALSE. Apple states that the charger "has one of the lowest standby power usage values — or 'vampire draw' — of similar chargers on the market". One of the lowest and THE lowest are not the same thing.

Secondly Apple carefully caveats both of these things by saying they are based on an Apple study from "a selection of similar leading NiMH rechargeable battery chargers". Apple provides no definition of "similar" and for Apple to pick a selection of chargers themselves and call that the "industry average" is absurd.
 
If these are Eneloops, then it may be one reason why Eneloop hasn't made their newest versions (announced in May) of their batteries available for purchased anywhere except Europe.
 
Varta

Eneloops are not good for users with equipment which requires a low internal resistance, such as DigiCams, Flashlights and so on. I tested Eneloops (size AA, Mignon) from Sanyo over two years, and they did not work very long, because they have a very high internal resistance.

I now use VARTA Professional Accus with very good results. I know, now i have to charge the accus again, before i use them, just to make sure they are 100 percent charged. But this is still better than an Eneloop accu which ruins a photo session.

VARTA Professional Accu (AAA & AA sizes):
http://www.en.varta-consumer.com/content.php?path=/1252396150.html&&&domain=www.en.varta-consumer.com

One offer on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Varta-Digital-Camera-Battery-2700mAh/dp/B000A4310M

:)
 
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For $25 at CostCo you can get 8 AA (new colored) Eneloops, 4 AAAs, and a 4-battery charger.

Where is this CostCo you speak of and how are there prices way cheaper than Amazon?

Amazon.com:

8 pack eneloops: $19.92
4 pack AAA eneloops: $8.85

Thats $29 without a charger. Yeah eneloops + charger are cheaper but they aren't THAT much cheaper.
 
You should have done that before this story.

The only thing that makes the Apple batteries and charger worth more than a regular charger and batteries is the inclusion of the Jobs' Reality Distortion Field in every packet.

Or that they draw 10x less energy than the industry standard. But that's inconsistent with us raging against the negative publicity and crying out how Stevie over-priced them but we bought them anyway, so we'll just ignore innovation to soothe our egos.

I'm sure I'll get fanboy'd, but those are just the facts. This product is better than most on the market.

Exactly. The Eneloops aren't the story here: its the charger.

This is small, but stellar example of the Apple tax.

It's just a battery charger.

All of the 5 or 6 chargers I own reduce power draw to 30 or 40 milliwatts when battery is fully charged.

In my current collection, I can immedidately count 6 offhand, half of which set me back roughly $100 each. However, I've never bothered to check to see what my chargers' power draws were when their batteries are fully charged, so I'm not about to claim that they're all the equal of the 30mW one that Apple has put out.

But what I do know is that a single LED typically takes 30mW worth of power, just on its own.

Thus, all of my 'cheapie' chargers that have a pair of these LED indicator lights will consume at least 60mW even before the actual guilty vampire circuit is included. So I know better than to even try to claim that any of my chargers are as power frugal as Apple claims for this product.

Of course, if one actually decides to run the numbers on the cost savings that Apple's "Low-Vampire" (sic) charger offers, it works out to around 35 cents per year if you keep it constantly plugged in 24/7&365.

That's a big Whoop-tee-do from an individual's perspective.

But it does makes for some good marketing in 'Green' against the rants from various Greenpeaceniks.

And realistically, what its probably best at is to promote the adoption of a 'better' rechargeable in the form of the Eneloops, regardless of whose name is on the label --- what's in it for Apple is strategic: it should result in fewer wireless devices that DOA due to batteries, which results in an improved reputation for making good stuff, & better customer satisfaction ratings.


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The only thing that makes the Apple batteries and charger worth more than a regular charger and batteries is the inclusion of the Jobs' Reality Distortion Field in every packet.
Actually, the charger is interesting for its small size and the compatibility with Apple's swappable plugs.

If you consider that Eneloops run at ca. $ 15 / € 15 for 6 pieces, the charger is only $ 15 / € 15, which is… well, it's not a bargain but it's not really expensive, either.

For mobile use: strong buy.

For home use: look at chargers that have more slots and that load all types of batteries (A, AAA, C, D, 9V block).
 
I'm wondering where you got your Eneloops because on the contrary, I found that they have a much lower internal resistance than any other NiMH batteries. I use them in high powered incandescent flashlights and they last longer than any higher capacity NiMH and the light is brighter/whiter. I also never had any problem using them in digital cameras, external flash and high powered LED flashlights.

For moderate powered devices (I think digicam are in this territory), if you discharge a set a day with your needs, higher capacity NiMH may be better. You charge every days anyway. But if your use discharge them in 3-4 weeks or more, any low self discharge NiMH will outperform standard NiMH batteries.

Eneloops are not good for users with equipment which requires a low internal resistance, such as DigiCams, Flashlights and so on. I tested Eneloops (size AA, Mignon) from Sanyo over two years, and they did not work very long, because they have a very high internal resistance.

I now use VARTA Professional Accus with very good results. I know, now i have to charge the accus again, before i use them, just to make sure they are 100 percent charged. But this is still better than an Eneloop accu which ruins a photo session.

VARTA Professional Accu (AAA & AA sizes):
http://www.en.varta-consumer.com/content.php?path=/1252396150.html&&&domain=www.en.varta-consumer.com

One offer on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Varta-Digital-Camera-Battery-2700mAh/dp/B000A4310M

:)
 
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an environmentally friendly charger

An environmentally charger should include a fan because the most environmentally damaging part of the setup is disposal of the dead battery and the best way to shorten your battery's life is to overheat it during charging.

As for "vampire draw" I'm 100% sure that by turning my charger off overnight at the socket (why do Americans not have switches on their wall sockets?) I'm drawing less power than Apple's overnight vampire draw, even if I miss both the green light and the little charging complete LCD indication for a few minutes after it switches to trickle charge mode. And since it runs off 12V DC I can plug it straight into a car, so I don't have to waste more money on already overpriced batteries.
 
Yeah, but Apple's charger has an Apple logo on it! That must be worth the $20 for any fan, boy or girl!

Also, people here said that the more you pay for something, the better the quality you get. :)
 
A 4.5-6h charge won't make batteries heat that much. Even with 1h chargers, the only time where I see batteries heating is with older cells for which the internal resistance increased over time.

An environmentally charger should include a fan because the most environmentally damaging part of the setup is disposal of the dead battery and the best way to shorten your battery's life is to overheat it during charging.

As for "vampire draw" I'm 100% sure that by turning my charger off overnight at the socket (why do Americans not have switches on their wall sockets?) I'm drawing less power than Apple's overnight vampire draw, even if I miss both the green light and the little charging complete LCD indication for a few minutes after it switches to trickle charge mode. And since it runs off 12V DC I can plug it straight into a car, so I don't have to waste more money on already overpriced batteries.
 
I beat you, we do not have a tv... instead we go hiking every day and enjoy nature's 3D graphics and animation/sound effects...


to be fair... 1) thats pretty cool, 2) i dont personally use the big TV's in my house, I just turn them off when their not in use (but from the power point),
 
It's just batteries lol....Who really cares? Big surprise Apple didn't make them themselves. I like looking at tear down photos of technology, but cmon...batteries? lol

Must be a slow day...
 
As for "vampire draw" I'm 100% sure that by turning my charger off overnight at the socket (why do Americans not have switches on their wall sockets?) I'm drawing less power than Apple's overnight vampire draw, even if I miss both the green light and the little charging complete LCD indication for a few minutes after it switches to trickle charge mode. And since it runs off 12V DC I can plug it straight into a car, so I don't have to waste more money on already overpriced batteries.

How many switches do you actually have on your wall?

If your charger turns on the 'done' LED, but has switched into trickle charge mode, it isn't complete.
 
glavoie84 said:
Even with 1h chargers, the only time where I see batteries heating is with older cells for which the internal resistance increased over time.

If you don't perceive any heating of batteries in a 1 hour charger, something is wrong with your fingertips! Consider heat output at efficiency of, say, 70%.

How many switches do you actually have on your wall?
One per socket, as everywhere in Britain. And extension socket blocks are individually switched where necessary. Why wouldn't you?

If your charger turns on the 'done' LED, but has switched into trickle charge mode, it isn't complete.
Well, "complete" is hard to measure and the delta-V calculation performed by the microprocessor before switching to slower charging isn't going to be 100% accurate. After that a charger might trickle at slightly above the self-discharge rate, topping up and relying on the cell chemistry and/or user intervention to deal with overcharging, or to trickle at the discharge rate until the end of days and maintain charge. Or all of the above, with a timer as failsafe transition.
 
If you don't perceive any heating of batteries in a 1 hour charger, something is wrong with your fingertips! Consider heat output at efficiency of, say, 70%.

I do perceive heating, but it's warmish, not hot. Not enough to be bad for batteries as they heat almost as much during the discharge process. I understand that a fan is needed for a 15 minutes charger bot those are literally cooking batteries. There's a reason why they keep the fan on for around 5-10 minutes after the charge process, batteries are hot enough to burn you. No 1h charger will cook batteries like this unless it misses charge termination or batteries have a very high internal resistance. They are either crappy batteries or very old.
 
they should have made pulse charger if they were really serious about the environment... it's just another charger w/ white body
 
That's quite funny.

Yea, I'll stick to the Sanyo batteries and my unbranded super-fast battery charger thanks.
 
Good. Eneloops are great. Good choice. It's not like they were going to make their own anyway, but it's probably the best third party batteries they could've gone for.

The batteries might be the same as eneloops, but the charger is proprietary. I don't believe you can get a charger with those features anywhere else.
What features? The 6 hour charging time? Any 1990's bargain bin charger can pull that off. Or are you talking about the silly "vampire draw" thing? Who cares? We're talking about miniscule amounts of power that couldn't even begin to match the draw of all those things you have on standby in your home, and I don't know about you but when I'm done charging batteries I pull the charger out of the socket and put the batteries in whatever I needed them for.

Apple's pretentious marketspeak about materials and designs reminds me of the Crunchy Frog sketch by Monty Python:

Praline: What, a raw frog?

Milton: We use only the finest baby frogs, dew picked and flown from Iraq, cleansed in finest quality spring water, lightly killed, and then sealed in a succulent Swiss quintuple smooth treble cream milk chocolate envelope and lovingly frosted with glucose!

Praline: That's as maybe, it's still a frog.
 
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