Same here. Like I said before - if they released them in March I was ready to order. Now, if I'm not "wowed" by new MBP's, I'm gone.
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Same here. Like I said before - if they released them in March I was ready to order. Now, if I'm not "wowed" by new MBP's, I'm gone.
YEah APPLE Just ****ing waiting for my skylake macbook... sick of waiting, would love to buy it damn it.
That is a good question. The Broadwell processors used in the MBA and the 13" MBP were released in Q1 2015 and that is also when Apple updated (March 2015) the latter with the former. The Broadwell processors that one would expect to be used in the 15" MBP (quad-core, 47 W TDP, Iris Pro) were released in June 2015. The 15" MBP, however, was updated in May 2015, ie, one month earlier.
What exactly happened is unclear. Apple released the 15" MBP two months after the 13" MBP, which would indicate that they waited because the chips going into the 15" MBP weren't available yet when they released the 13" MBP. One might think that Apple waited and then lost patience and, merely one month before the appropriate Broadwell chips would have been ready, updated the 15" MBP with the new trackpad (that appeared first in the 13" MBP, MBA and MB) as well as faster SSDs. It is however unlikely that Apple was sitting on its hands and waited for an email from Intel, they must have known in May that the chips would be released in June-ish. Of course, an official release in June of these Broadwell chips could have easily meant that it might have been July before Apple could ship its 15" MBPs in volume.
My best guess is that Apple had other time constraints, maybe in regard to buying seasons that made them update their 15" MBPs in May without Broadwell and not in June or July with Broadwell. This decision might have been helped by the fact that the major improvement of (mobile) Broadwell was lower power consumption and after that a better integrated GPU. Both things matter probably a bit less in the 15" MBP (compared to the 13" MBP) because the larger MBPs probably are on average a bit more desktop-bound than the smaller ones and because the 15" MBP is also offered with a discrete graphic card.
All that isn't meant as an excuse, merely as an explanation. Apple's idea of keeping things simple (for their users and themselves) and trying to make a big a splash as possible which results in only releasing one update per year (or sometimes every nine months or so) and their willingness to cater to possible (internal) time constraints has resulted here in a 15" MBP that still runs Haswell. They could have updated the 15" MBP again in July (or August/September/October) with Broadwell, or they could have waited until June/July. Intel's stretched release of Broadwell was a contributing factor but Apple's general policies were ultimately what is responsible for the 15" MBP still having Haswell processors.
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It's really quite insulting to be asked to pay premium prices for old technology (in the case of the 15in rMBP). I've been waiting patiently, but if thre isn't a significant upgrade in June, I'm moving to the Dell XPS.
You didn't question my recollection, you were accusatory, insulting, and condescending. I've simply responded in kind.
Does this happen a lot of in your life? Do you always go through the roof whenever someone says something that is different than what you believe, before looking into it yourself and having the introspect to realize you might not always be right and maybe you don't know everything?
I mean go back and read your first reply to me. So diplomatic, a real class act:
manu chao said:
I owe you nothing after this post.
Why would you be such an absolute ass in your first reply to me instead of just politely asking what I was referring to? You were a complete ass, plain and simple and after that I owed you zero respect.
But hey, since you can't do the legwork yourself, here, I'll satiate you anyway just to prove you wrong - here's one article (quickly found I might add) about a small speed bump between the Late-08 and Mid-09 MBP in your list of updates. They gave the machines a small speed bump in March of '09:
https://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/0...-pro-speed-256gb-ssd-option-and-new-keyboard/
There were other speed bumps just like this along the way between the larger updates over the last decade. Will you go away now?
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Complaints & arguing... Hopes & wishes... Threats of leaving.
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Recycle and Reuse is their new theme.
More color and marketing tricks than solid products to me.
What kind of specs do you think justify a premium price?
I have a 2013 refurb rMBP that I paid around 3000 CND $
The same computer on Apple.ca is 3649 CND $. It has a few new bells and whistles but I'm not sure I could spend that kind of money on a new computer that doesn't beam hockey scores directly into my head.
I have a 2013 refurb rMBP that I paid around 3000 CND $
The same computer on Apple.ca is 3649 CND $. It has a few new bells and whistles but I'm not sure I could spend that kind of money on a new computer that doesn't beam hockey scores directly into my head.
Yes plenty of strong words and opinions but at the end of the day when a new shinny thing comes out most will roll over and let TC tickle their tummy for $2k and the cycle continues
The boutique appeal of owning a MAC is wearing thin. Yes they popularised the Ali body over carbon fiber, yes they had the best trackpads, yes OSX had some strong points over Windows 7/8/8.1, yes they bundled good service in the USA and Europe, at a price.
But for a company with such strong marketing on design can offer the same tin can with mediocre specs and disproportional prices for upgrades etc is just taking the rise out of a strong user base IMO
The experience, the feel, the pleasure or what ever you wish to describe the subjective reasoning and added benefit of owning an MAC may help you justify the premium price but there is only so many times you can be kicked in the nuts, especially for those MBA owners who only wanted a decent screen for the last 4 years
I can only offer my condolences for those of you who do not look at MACS as a hardware platform only, Apple do not deserve your loyalty and patience
Not a bad idea. My Dell Inspiron "gaming" laptop was $849 bucks and could launch the space shuttle without a hitch. Strong processor, 8 GB ram, monster nvidia graphics card, fast SSD, and extremely easy to upgrade with simple accessibility and plenty of room in there. Full 1080p display with great viewing angles and color reproduction too. Backlit keyboard. 15" screen.
To get anything remotely close from Apple would have cost double or more. Nope. You'd be fool to pay the premium for a hunk of fruit on the top cover.
iPads just aren't serious computers. Web browsing still isn't a perfect experience (booking theatre tickets and hotel rooms for example can take an age on an iPad) plus I wouldn't be able to keep track of my invoices on an iPad. There's no real file system.
Plus, the design of a laptop is perfect - when closed it protects the screen and keyboard, when open it sits on your lap/desk with the screen at the perfect angle leaving both hands free to type.
The iPad is a bit awkward, needs holding with a hand and, when typing, you lose half of your screen to a keyboard.
I'm afraid it's a laptop or nothing for me.
$1,300. The Retina Macbook starts at $1,300. Unless it's on sale, which it already is at many 3rd party retailers, because no one is buying them.
Apple designing & engineering systems that`s primary function is to bleed their customers of as much money as possible, neutering systems to force the sale of far more expensive machines, selling ageing hardware at full price, offering in house upgrades with the sole purpose of benefiting Apple. All mechanisms for Apple to boost to it`s margin, while giving the middle finger to the customer. Yeah completely agree Apple is taking the "rise" For the first time ever I am considering completely ditching Apple, the existing systems can just fall into obsolesce, replaced by better alternatives.
For me Apple is very much moving into the past tense. I now only have interest in two product lines; rMB & rMBP, equally I full expect Apple to deliver on the 2016 MacBook Pro, although I rather suspect we will just see "thinner & lighter" no additional utility, no additional functionality, marginal gains in battery life if any, pink no doubt. Add in the decreasing reliability of OS X, Apple`s ridiculous 12 month development cycle, locking users into underdeveloped broken OS versions, non of this adds up to be attractive to continue to remain on the platform as a business user.
Just waiting on WWDC, equally am looking at Windows systems, as I strongly suspect all WWDC will deliver is a bunch of old guys exaggeratingly proclaiming the awesomeness, of what is basically just another mediocre product, that in real world use is hardly of any improvement on previous incarnations.
If I had to sum up Apple in one word it would be underwhelming, therefore no surprise sales are dropping...
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I had a bto, 16GB 256GB and a better processor, but no dGPU. And I still don't regret that.
As someone who is still using a first generation 2008 Unibody Macbook eight years after purchase, Apple has won me over as a laptop customer - likely for life. The usability and durability of this product far exceeded anything on the market in 2008 and even many products out today. I often herald this laptop as one of the best purchases I've ever made.
However, when comparing against modern technology I am acutely aware that my laptop is heavier, slower and less portable than many other laptops on the market.
That said, I remain steadfast with my current computer for the sole reason that unlike the 2008 Unibody, none of Apple's new laptops are revolutionary. The new MB Pros are just slightly lighter, faster evolutions of my current computer and are not sufficiently compelling to warrant giving Apple $2-3K for an upgrade. The rMB is undeniably glamorous with its thin, light chassis, but it lacks the functionality I currently have and I therefore can't justify the purchase.
I know exactly what product would win me over and a neutered version of it has existed on the market for years... the Macbook Air. I understand why Apple has left it at a disadvantage against its siblings. To give it the most modern technology developed for the rMB, and a retina display would damage the standing of the current product lineup and current marketing platform. Apple has backed itself into a corner and seems unwilling to innovate for the sake of hurting its profitability on the laptop segment of the business.
I hope that in June this changes. Apple has all the ingredients it needs to develop a revolutionary product. The thinness of the rMB and proprietary battery technology, the speed and retina display technology fostered in the MB Pros and the combined functionality and portability of the Macbook Air. All they need to do is take these ingredients, add the engineering talent that has turned Apple into a multi-billion dollar giant, and come out with something that has the same magic of the first ipod, ipad and aluminum macbook.
Then again... maybe they'll just release an Apple Pencil 2 and call it a day.
However, when comparing against modern technology I am acutely aware that my laptop is heavier, slower and less portable than many other laptops on the market.
That said, I remain steadfast with my current computer for the sole reason that unlike the 2008 Unibody, none of Apple's new laptops are revolutionary. The new MB Pros are just slightly lighter, faster evolutions of my current computer and are not sufficiently compelling to warrant giving Apple $2-3K for an upgrade. The rMB is undeniably glamorous with its thin, light chassis, but it lacks the functionality I currently have and I therefore can't justify the purchase.
I know exactly what product would win me over and a neutered version of it has existed on the market for years... the Macbook Air. I understand why Apple has left it at a disadvantage against its siblings. To give it the most modern technology developed for the rMB, and a retina display would damage the standing of the current product lineup and current marketing platform. Apple has backed itself into a corner and seems unwilling to innovate for the sake of hurting its profitability on the laptop segment of the business.
I hope that in June this changes. Apple has all the ingredients it needs to develop a revolutionary product. The thinness of the rMB and proprietary battery technology, the speed and retina display technology fostered in the MB Pros and the combined functionality and portability of the Macbook Air. All they need to do is take these ingredients, add the engineering talent that has turned Apple into a multi-billion dollar giant, and come out with something that has the same magic of the first ipod, ipad and aluminum macbook.
Then again... maybe they'll just release an Apple Pencil 2 and call it a day.
120gb or so. My music and photos are on iCloud. I find it silly to put films on my hard drive. Either I want to see it once (rent) or I want to buy a real copy, but nothing in between.
Most of my memory goes to apps, mail (need to clean that up actually) and files for work, but that's temporary.
I've been highly critical of Apple in this thread and I read comments like these and thought "I'll check out these fantastic Dell Machines". So I did. They aren't very impressive and actually seem just as pricey when you add anything of value to them. It's like all sizzle and no steak. Even if I'm dissatisfied with Apple's product development, I'll stick with them and wait until they offer what I want. As for Dell, "meh".
What did you expect? Those are still Windows machines with a few more or less debatable downsides (e.g.touchpad, chassis, battery life). But if you compare the specifications from the XPS 15 4K with the base 15'' rMBP, it's imo not bad: Skylake i7 6700HQ (Haswell i7 4770HQ), 16GB DDR4 2.133Mhz (DDR3 1600Mhz), 960m (Iris Pro), 512 pcie ssd (256 nvme) low bezel 4K touch Display (Retina), TB 3 (TB2) and the user can replace storage, ram to 32GB, battery etc (battery glued, ram soldered..). Retail price is also 300€ lower than the rMBP in my country.
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Recycle and buy another Mac a couple of years later lol. With no user replaceable parts, we'd be forced to buy a new machine rather than try to fix our current system.
I bought a refurb 15" MacBook Pro a year ago for $2700 AUD. 2.3ghz 16gb/512gb with graphics card.
Current model equivalent is $3799 AUD. Only improvement is 2.3ghz>2.5ghz.
Prices have gone up dramatically over the last year while the technology has stalled. No wonder people aren't buying.
However I did buy a runout MacBook 1.1ghz for $1439 when the new model came out which I'm really loving the portability and snappiness of as I travel around Japan on holidays but the new model at $1999 is a real stretch as a value proposition.
All their computers are looking like they are $500 overpriced here in Australia atm.
Current model equivalent is $3799 AUD. Only improvement is 2.3ghz>2.5ghz.
Prices have gone up dramatically over the last year while the technology has stalled. No wonder people aren't buying.
However I did buy a runout MacBook 1.1ghz for $1439 when the new model came out which I'm really loving the portability and snappiness of as I travel around Japan on holidays
but the new model at $1999 is a real stretch as a value proposition. All their computers are looking like they are $500 overpriced here in Australia atm.
Riding the crest of the wave of the most successful company of recent times is not always rewarded as a user when the basis of success is highly dependent on popularity in a niche sandbox.
Apple products have never been cheap for many reasons but non more so than it's consumer base
Apple exploited a desperate market in the US due to it's more unique set-up of restrictive practices of it's telco providers
Apples clever marketing in the US was echoed around the world via the internet due to a US dominance of presence in the English speaking community
Apples success steamrolled other products over it's competition
Apple ECO is a double edged sword
Apples US based model is not as easily transcribed across the world
Apple fashion status is victim of it's own successes
Apple core foundation is neglected as diversity increases and shifts
Apple innovation is hard to continuously repeat
What ever had drawn you to OSX/MACS, 5/10/15 years past, be it the underdog with unique and boutique appeal or a fresh style/appeal to consumer comms and laptops of recent times cannot keep pace with the ability of others to catch up and surpass in a market where the latest has a lifespan of <12 months
This is all PHD in stating the obvious
and many are happy, all be it possibly with indifference or ignorance I think what is different about Apple is the polices between devices and services that includes upgrades and new releases are cleverly constructed to increase yields with less perceive value to it's consumer or have catches and induced restraints to propagate purchases and worst still to those that feel they supported Apple over the years and had a connection now feel detached to the new Apple monster driven by other factors than it's once more true values led by one man.
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