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Apple's Opening Court Statement Focuses on Samsung's Radical Shift in Phone Design

boronathan said:
Yes it is, but it's not a charge for Android. It's already been established that you have to pay for Google services, but Google services is not a part of the Android software. That's free.

Also, you can distribute "legit" apps on slideme or getjar without paying Google.
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There is no such thing as free ;)
 
kdarling said:
Absolutely the iPhone had an influence. Likewise, the iPhone design was not created in a vacuum. It was a result of decades of industry advancements.

While Apple sat on the sidelines for two decades, phone makers had evolved multiple form factors, from clamshell to the basic touchscreen display slab that Apple used. The industry had figured out the best place to put internal antennas, which Apple used as well. The industry had figured out that physical power, volume and home/menu controls were a good idea even with a touchscreen device.

Far more importantly, all the major software elements of a smartphone had been hammered out long before the iPhone implemented them: phone functions, texting, user apps, settings page, camera, video player, web browser, location services, and others like video recording and MMS that took longer for Apple to include.

In other words, the hugely critical, and design time consuming, starting point was already plainly laid out for Apple due to the work of others. They had only to copy and refine from there. And in fact, they added very little new base functionality: offhand, visual voice mail is all that I can think of.

As for the touch UI, don't get me started on how obvious the base design elements were to those of us in the field. The fact that phone makers had not implemented such in mass consumer devices, does not change that. There were no big surprises in the first iPhone demo in this area.

So, considering the entire iPhone, one could argue that Apple was influenced as much or more by the previous smartphone R&D of others, than the relatively surface enhancements that Apple themselves contributed to the smartphone definition.
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Of course Apple was influenced by others. i would never deny that. Again, my point is the lg prada people seem to argue that iPhone had zero influence and that the lg prada is a prime example of why the industry went the way it did. Apple didn't invent the smartphone industry, but those who categorically deny their influence in any way are delusional.
 
boronathan said:
Of course Apple was influenced by others. i would never deny that. Again, my point is the lg prada people seem to argue that iPhone had zero influence and that the lg prada is a prime example of why the industry went the way it did. Apple didn't invent the smartphone industry, but those who categorically deny their influence in any way are delusional.
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I would use the LG Prada/F700 argument to say that Samsung did not blatently copy the iPhone. The industry was heading towards such design, it was only a matter of time. The influence is there for sure but to call it blatently copying is exagerated.
 
ristlin said:
There is no such thing as free ;)
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i can download source, develop, and sell an Android app without google getting a penny. It's free. my time might not be free but that has nothing to do with Google.

If i don't pay for something, that's "free" enough for me! ;)
 
aerok said:
I would use the LG Prada/F700 argument to say that Samsung did not blatently copy the iPhone. The industry was heading towards such design, it was only a matter of time. The influence is there for sure but to call it blatently copying is exagerated.
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I for one never called it blatant copying, and i agree with you that it wasn't. Again, though, if you think when coming up for their designs they looked at the prada solely and not the iPhone for some cues, there's something wrong and that's just delusional denial.

There are some here who seem to believe that and argue it to the death!
 
boronathan said:
i can download source, develop, and sell an Android app without google getting a penny. It's free. my time might not be free but that has nothing to do with Google.

If i don't pay for something, that's "free" enough for me! ;)
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Fair enough :)
 
ristlin said:
Well if its so clear to them that Ochyandkaren is wrong, why bother continuing an argument? The problem with those two is that they argue for the sake of winning not informing. That is self righteous.

And on those rare occasions that you prove them wrong, they simply add you to their ignore list. It makes them seem so desperate to win that they will ignore you just to keep up an illusion of victory in their minds. :confused:
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I had one or two back and forths with Ochyandkaren. I didn't continue the argument. Because there was none. The poster isn't arguing nor discussing.

I don't argue for the sake of winning. There's no winning on a forum. I absolutely engage in discussion to inform and provide factual information. If you choose to see me as self righteous - that's your perogative.

As for my ignore list. I have none. I don't put anyone on ignore because I think an ignore list is silly (to me). For others - they can do whatever they want.

But a perfect example of someone (you here) trying to pass off an opinion as fact. One that is patently false.

The last part of your false accusation, in my opinion, is projection. Perhaps it's you that tries to "win" at all costs - ignoring facts that have been presented very clearly - and repeatedly.
 
boronathan said:
I for one never called it blatant copying, and i agree with you that it wasn't. Again, though, if you think when coming up for their designs they looked at the prada solely and not the iPhone for some cues, there's something wrong and that's just delusional denial.

There are some here who seem to believe that and argue it to the death!
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For one, I would say the dock on the Touchwiz is heavely influenced by iOS. I do also believe without the iPhone, the GS1 would not have a 4in screen.

But what I say is irrelevant because those are not the issue that are brought up in court now.

Knight and Sam are mostly going after crazy Apple fanatics that blurt out senseless arguments without even reading the facts, it seems that 75% of people here are like that.

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samcraig said:
I had one or two back and forths with Ochyandkaren. I didn't continue the argument. Because there was none. The poster isn't arguing nor discussing.

I don't argue for the sake of winning. There's no winning on a forum. I absolutely engage in discussion to inform and provide factual information. If you choose to see me as self righteous - that's your perogative.

As for my ignore list. I have none. I don't put anyone on ignore because I think an ignore list is silly (to me). For others - they can do whatever they want.

But a perfect example of someone (you here) trying to pass off an opinion as fact. One that is patently false.

The last part of your false accusation, in my opinion, is projection. Perhaps it's you that tries to "win" at all costs - ignoring facts that have been presented very clearly - and repeatedly.
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This ^, as long as they stay respectful in what they say and avoid 2 words baseless statements, what is there to hate?

If you get offended by their facts, then there is serious need to re-evaluate your life... Taking it personal is wrong, we're talking about corporations here, not family members.
 
aerok said:
For one, I would say the dock on the Touchwiz is heavely influenced by iOS. I do also believe without the iPhone, the GS1 would not have a 4in screen.

But what I say is irrelevant because those are not the issue that are brought up in court now.

Knight and Sam are mostly going after crazy Apple fanatics that blurt out senseless arguments without even reading the facts, it seems that 75% of people here are like that.
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Agreed. There are crazies on all sides and i think 75% is a good estimate on the Android side too lol.
 
Sora said:
"As we all know it is easier to copy than to innovate," he told the court. "Apple had already taken the risks."

The core reason why competitors who refuse to innovate fail.
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As we all know, Apple has never "borrowed" or stolen any ideas from anyone.

Ever.

In their entire history.

Not once.
 
boronathan said:
Indeed.







Lol yep. I've seen just as bad there as I've seen here. After a while you learn to tune out the fanatics and find the posts with substance. Not easy, though!
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If it wasn't for the custom roms, I would avoid XDA like the plague lol
 
aerok said:
If it wasn't for the custom roms, I would avoid XDA like the plague lol
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You know xda is not as bad as some of the other Android forums because xda is not solely Android and it's been around forever. The places like phandroid, androidcentral, droidlife etc are way worse. Avoid those like the plague lol
 
faroZ06 said:
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The current iPhone costs $649. Rounded to the nearest 100, that would be $600.
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Actually. no :p Hope you're not an accountant!

649, if you were rounding to the hundred, would be $700.
649 to the tenth would be 650, and 650 would round to 700.

Plus, Nobody in their right mind when they're out 650, is going to say "I only spent $600. Its a completely erroneous statement.

Add in that a lot of places do have taxes. In Ontario Canada, that 649 phone, will actually cost 733.37 out of pocket :eek::eek:
 
LordVic said:
Actually. no :p Hope you're not an accountant!

649, if you were rounding to the hundred, would be $700.
649 to the tenth would be 650, and 650 would round to 700.

Plus, Nobody in their right mind when they're out 650, is going to say "I only spent $600. Its a completely erroneous statement.

Add in that a lot of places do have taxes. In Ontario Canada, that 649 phone, will actually cost 733.37 out of pocket :eek::eek:
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Yeah, I live in Quebec and that's about the price I paid for my 4S :(
 
samcraig said:
I had one or two back and forths with Ochyandkaren. I didn't continue the argument. Because there was none. The poster isn't arguing nor discussing.

I don't argue for the sake of winning. There's no winning on a forum. I absolutely engage in discussion to inform and provide factual information. If you choose to see me as self righteous - that's your perogative.

As for my ignore list. I have none. I don't put anyone on ignore because I think an ignore list is silly (to me). For others - they can do whatever they want.

But a perfect example of someone (you here) trying to pass off an opinion as fact. One that is patently false.

The last part of your false accusation, in my opinion, is projection. Perhaps it's you that tries to "win" at all costs - ignoring facts that have been presented very clearly - and repeatedly.
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Here we go again :rolleyes:
 
LordVic said:
Actually. no :p Hope you're not an accountant!

649, if you were rounding to the hundred, would be $700.
649 to the tenth would be 650, and 650 would round to 700.
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You all do some strange math learnin' up in Canada. :)

649 rounded to the nearest hundred would be 600.
649 rounded to the nearest tenth would be 649.0.
 
Ochyandkaren said:
You are the one who know all. AH!

This is phony. WHEN YOU advice people against Apple machines if you never used any.
Receiving commission to sell machines instead of telling people go do some research and to choose Themselves.
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you have no bloody clue at all what you are saying and should do yourself a favour. The best way to save face is to keep the lower half shut.

(obligatory smiley face ;))
 
Samsung designed and sold the F700 before Apple did the iphone. FACT.

http://www.ipadjailbreak.com/2011/04/f700-iphone-comparison.html

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So, hopefully Apple will tell its lawyers to stop wasting everyone time.
 
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