That's awesome.
Basically he is "the" best there is. So, if Apple wins this thing. No one can say it wasn't fair.
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Apple's Opening Court Statement Focuses on Samsung's Radical Shift in Phone Design
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That's awesome.
Basically he is "the" best there is. So, if Apple wins this thing. No one can say it wasn't fair.
Hmm.. okay.. You and other's have shown the weakness in my post.. so I now reply with... http://www.gsmarena.com/qtek_2020-1167.php
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Is that not a touch screen phone pre-dating the iphone? If so.. then it is clear that phone styling was already exploring touch screens which dominate the front aspect of a device with minimal hardware buttons! Is the basis of Apple's flimsy court case that ONLY an Apple designer could have come up with a phone which was slab-like, with a touch sensitive flat screen display and few hardware buttons?
And if this lawsuit was about "no other phone with a touchscreen existing before the iPhone" then maybe you'd have a point. But it isn't, so you don't.
Apple is using Morrison-Foerster, whose nickname is "MoFo" (cute!):
http://www.mofo.com/
Here is the co-leader of this case:
Microsoft patented much of their standard.
Macs weren't stable?! Simply not true.
All those iPhone and iPad patents must all be complete lies and none of their innovations are real. OK then. And they're just used for emails and web browsing too.
That's awesome.
So, if Apple wins this thing. No one can say it wasn't fair.
People may not agree with every jury verdict but they are generally reached with both sides being given an opportunity to fully develop their legal arguments. This is a business dispute between 2 of the most successful companies on the planet, each with highly-capable and highly-compensated legal teams presenting their respective cases. The result will undoubtedly leave at least one of them unhappy but you can't automatically conclude that it was unfair.
How do you know that is a Samsung ad? Do you have a link to the original picture?
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MoFo was also used by Oracle in the recent Oracle vs. Google trial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone
down to where it says Intellectual property
The part that got my attention was when Apple started filing for patents on the iPhone (October 2002). Would seem as though Apple was working this even further back then what's currently known?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_(platform)
Add to the fact that the Newton was before pretty much anything (except the Psion) and the name PDA came from it.
I absolutely want Apple to win this thing, like 100% win this case against Samsung. I want them to win because they did it correctly, and not some technical BS. Like Samsung's lawyer screws up or the judge is in the bag for Apple or something like that.
As far as I can tell, its not like Apple just copied anyone. They had the technology to do pretty much everything already (meaning they had prior stuff on which to develop, and build that they actually made). They didn't just have to look at someone else's work and go from there. They had their own stuff. The software to make it work, and work with your finger is a big deal. Plus there ability to design it the way they wanted to. Not to mention "affordably". And if they didn't make it, they bought the tech to do so (Finger works). They even licensed the name of the phone from Cisco. So they are not advert to working or partnering or paying for things they don't own.
Some of the pictures posted here showing the iPhone 3G to whatever model Samsung phone. If you can't see how they look pretty much the same. IDK what else to do. Its right there. The look of the OS is fairly different enough (or at the least can be different enough) that I personally can deal with it. I'm not a fan of Androids OS (the way it looks, it hurts my eyes). But, if Apple feels that features were copied and can prove it, God bless them for it. Even some of whatever OS Samsung was running that looked just like the iOS home screen. I'm babling right now, but geeesssssus people its a freaking copy.
I'm not saying Apple is going to win this. I am saying I hope they do.
down to where it says Intellectual property
The part that got my attention was when Apple started filing for patents on the iPhone (October 2002). Would seem as though Apple was working this even further back then what's currently known?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_(platform)
Add to the fact that the Newton was before pretty much anything (except the Psion) and the name PDA came from it.
I absolutely want Apple to win this thing, like 100% win this case against Samsung. I want them to win because they did it correctly, and not some technical BS. Like Samsung's lawyer screws up or the judge is in the bag for Apple or something like that.
As far as I can tell, its not like Apple just copied anyone. They had the technology to do pretty much everything already (meaning they had prior stuff on which to develop, and build that they actually made). They didn't just have to look at someone else's work and go from there. They had their own stuff. The software to make it work, and work with your finger is a big deal. Plus there ability to design it the way they wanted to. Not to mention "affordably". And if they didn't make it, they bought the tech to do so (Finger works). They even licensed the name of the phone from Cisco. So they are not advert to working or partnering or paying for things they don't own.
Some of the pictures posted here showing the iPhone 3G to whatever model Samsung phone. If you can't see how they look pretty much the same. IDK what else to do. Its right there. The look of the OS is fairly different enough (or at the least can be different enough) that I personally can deal with it. I'm not a fan of Androids OS (the way it looks, it hurts my eyes). But, if Apple feels that features were copied and can prove it, God bless them for it. Even some of whatever OS Samsung was running that looked just like the iOS home screen. I'm babling right now, but geeesssssus people its a freaking copy.
I'm not saying Apple is going to win this. I am saying I hope they do.
I'm sure the outcome will not please everyone. But, in the end if Samsung hired "the" best there is to defend them. Then at least they did everything they could do to win.
I'm an Apple Fan, and I don't hide that. I want them to win if they are right. And so far I don't see them as being in the wrong. I don't know everything that's going on in that court room, but from what we do know and have seen over the past decade. I'm favoring Apple in this case. Now, if they are wrong, I can live with it. And so long as they are able to make things I like, I will continue to buy there products. No different then when Apple went after Microsoft over Windows way back when. Microsoft won, I would have preferred they lose. But, it didn't stop me from buying Apple products.
Oh good grief. We see image screwups in ads all the time, from Radio Shack to Apple.
Very few are deliberate. Most are accidental.
Remember when Apple posted supposed iPhone Safari screenshots of National Geographic and the NY Times, but somehow magically the missing large Flash menu and video areas were filled in with nice still photos? Jobs himself used such versions in his demos. Now those photoshops were deliberate, authorized at the highest levels. (Later, Jobs grew more confident in the lack of Flash, and eventually came to be rather proud of showng off the blue blocks in the Safari mobile browser.)
In most cases, however, it's just the result of some lower employee's screwup. Here it was an webpage for a Galaxy Pro 50 media player. It was no doubt the fault of some copywriter who was too lazy to make or find a correct GMap screenshot. (The ad was created in 2011, but the map shot apparently came from a girl's 2008 blog entry.)
Heck, reportedly Apple's law staff violated copyright when they likewise grabbed an iPhone unboxing photo from someone's blog without permission, to include in this exact same Samsung lawsuit.
Everyone goofs up at times. Drives bosses crazy, and has nothing to do with deliberate copying.
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Yes let's ban the Galaxy S3 so Apple can make $16 billion EBITA every quarter.
There are other phones you can buy other then the iPhone, or Android. You can buy Windows, or BlackBerry, or some cheap @$$ China knock-off iPhone... .....
Yes, they did. So did Apple.
Macs were stable? Clearly you've NEVER had to use System 7, OS 8 or OS 9. They were terrible.
They aren't lies, but in case you didnt notice. Apple tends to lose most of its court cases and gets a good number of its patents invalidated
Obviously
"Samsung's Radical Shift in Phone Design" was not caused by iPhone design. Their shift was caused by the switch to capacitive screens. When this switch happened, all phone manufacturers switched to a new format. LG and Apple were the first and others followed. Just like TV industry switched to a new TV set design with the advent of LCD screens. Does anybody here really believe that iPhone with resistive screen would look the same as it did?
Apple is clearly bending the truth here. They might argue about the specifics of the design but not about the major shift.
"Samsung's Radical Shift in Phone Design" was not caused by iPhone design. Their shift was caused by the switch to capacitive screens. When this switch happened, all phone manufacturers switched to a new format. LG and Apple were the first and others followed. Just like TV industry switched to a new TV set design with the advent of LCD screens. Does anybody here really believe that iPhone with resistive screen would look the same as it did?
Apple is clearly bending the truth here. They might argue about the specifics of the design but not about the major shift.
Yes, they did. So did Apple.
Macs were stable? Clearly you've NEVER had to use System 7, OS 8 or OS 9. They were terrible.
They aren't lies, but in case you didnt notice. Apple tends to lose most of its court cases and gets a good number of its patents invalidated
Sorry, have to comment here. I used System 7.5, OS 8-9. I used Pro Tools, and Digital Performer during those times on Power Macs (603, 604, G3, G4).
I didn't have issues with it. Definately not more then Windows 95, 98, 98 SE, ME). Things got better with Win2k, but that was most likely there best OS at the time. XP sucked at the start. It was slow and demanded better hardware to run it well. As time pasted (what 12 years), XP is there best OS to date. But, that's due to it lasting so long between a better version. Vista is well, was a waste of time. And Windows 7 is pretty good. Not complaining about it, as far as stability goes.
But, to say that OS 7-9 wasn't stable is madness. I was burning CD's on those OS's on a LaCie SCSI 1x DVD-RW drive, and Toast. Mixing audio and midi tracks, and playing games (Unreal, I miss that game). I was hooked back then.
wonder if they will go after the makers of this phone
probably not because they don't really pose serious competition
probably not because they don't really pose serious competition
Not so much the touch screens, but a way to use them that would work for a phone (smart phone). Just having the touch screen doesn't give you software to make it work intuitively. There were still stylus's being used on touch screens. Or extra buttons to activate menus or settings for the phone. There were other ways to interact with a touch screen.
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Ahhhh, they should.
Looks exactly the same as a 4. Are there more photo's of that? Back, sides, and with it on?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone
down to where it says Intellectual property
The part that got my attention was when Apple started filing for patents on the iPhone (October 2002). Would seem as though Apple was working this even further back then what's currently known?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_(platform)
Add to the fact that the Newton was before pretty much anything (except the Psion) and the name PDA came from it.
I absolutely want Apple to win this thing, like 100% win this case against Samsung. I want them to win because they did it correctly, and not some technical BS. Like Samsung's lawyer screws up or the judge is in the bag for Apple or something like that.
As far as I can tell, its not like Apple just copied anyone. They had the technology to do pretty much everything already (meaning they had prior stuff on which to develop, and build that they actually made). They didn't just have to look at someone else's work and go from there. They had their own stuff. The software to make it work, and work with your finger is a big deal. Plus there ability to design it the way they wanted to. Not to mention "affordably". And if they didn't make it, they bought the tech to do so (Finger works). They even licensed the name of the phone from Cisco. So they are not advert to working or partnering or paying for things they don't own.
I'm not saying Apple is going to win this. I am saying I hope they do.
this is funny to read. it's exactly the fanboy commentary that those of us who attempt to be unbiased laugh at.
Because that is exactly what apple didnt do.
None of the technologies in the iphone were invented by apple. I'm not saying apple is bad, or that what they did to make the phone was bad. It is what it is, and everyone does it.
But to fool yourself ot believe that Apple completely built the technology from the ground up.
Lets look:
The Screen is not apples invention. The Panels themselves are purchased from outside manufacturers... mainly samsung (shock face!).
The glass is made and invented by Corning.
the CPU technology was designed by ARM and implemented by whichever company Apple decided to buy from (I forget which).
Capacitive touch was purchased from other companies, with arguments showing that capacitive touch being in development long before phones.
Touch screens themselves were around long before apple made their first handhelds.
iOS? it's a semi dumbed down modified core akin OSx, which, believe it or not is not an apple invention either. OSx was developed by steve jobs while he was at NextStep, which Apple purchased. So again, the OS itself isn't even purely Apples invention. Neither is the grid based layout which dates back to virtually any GUI, which also, was not apples invention in the computer industry.
See where i'm going with this?
I am agnostic as to manufacturers. I use the products that best serve my needs. I have apple products and love them. I also have something from just about every other segment.
But I won't fool myself to believe that Apple is some grand inventor. What they've always been from day 1. Since the day Apple opened their doors and built the Apple, Is a innovator of design. They are masterful at taking a geeky, non everyday concept, and repackaging it in a sleek, sexy, and ergonomically functional concept. They're far far ahead of the pack on that than I would say anyone else.
But the grand inventors? That's just delusional. Off the top of my head, I can only think of ONE actual invention Apple has had that I think was "innovative". MagSafe. And surprisingly, it's the only invention you haven't seen copied everywhere else because it's Patent WOULD hold up well in court. Everything else seems to be wishy washy. But here's the thing.
I Don't fault Apple for doign this.
Everyone does this. They innovate by taking whats out there and evolving it to meet needs. Apple just hates it when anyone else does this too them.
Update to the Evidence Leak from yesterday: "Apple seeks 'emergency' sanctions against Samsung" http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57484757-37/apple-seeks-emergency-sanctions-against-samsung/
Again, I'm still not sure it was a good move on Quinn's part to leak the evidence before the Trial was over. Doesn't help Samsung's side of the case in court.
I don't think it will affect the overall outcome. I think it doesn't necc make Samsung look like they are playing fair. But it's also possible that after Apple smeared their name - Samsung wants to piss off Apple during this whole process as much as they can. Who knows
Thank you for taking this away from me
Now i honestly cannot think of a single technology apple has invented in house
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Thank you for taking this away from me
Now i honestly cannot think of a single technology apple has invented in house
Well they might have invented it and Presto copied.... It's a good thing their fryer looks nothing like an iPhone!
Thank you for taking this away from me
Now i honestly cannot think of a single technology apple has invented in house
Does this count?
Or this?
Thank you for taking this away from me
Now i honestly cannot think of a single technology apple has invented in house
You have fallen for the same impossible standard of invention that overwhelms these types of discussions. Every invention is made of things that were invented/discovered/developed before it. By your standard, nothing has ever been invented.