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The Apple was not the first "personal computer"

There were a few other notable "personal computers" that were out before the Apple. Woz wanted to make one as he was an avid 'geek' and part of "homebrew" clubs.

Most of the hardware that went into the device were purchased from other vendors. The CPU's, chips and technologies. Woz just wanted his "dumb terminal" to be more like a computer, so he built it.

Again, Apple's original idea for a personal computer was neither original, nor were they the first.

What they did again, was make a unique package in an affordable range that seemed to strike a tune with the target market (Computer geeks of the the time).
 
You have fallen for the same impossible standard of invention that overwhelms these types of discussions. Every invention is made of things that were invented/discovered/developed before it. By your standard, nothing has ever been invented. :)

didnt say that (if you read my rant), I said that invention is often more evolution of a foundation that came before it.

Apple innovated in the sense that they took what was out there, and evolved it into something sleek, sexy that people wanted to buy.

Then they took that and put up a silo around it, claimed they built it in a vacuum and completely by themselves, and said nobody can ever evolve anything based on it.

Which is exactly how they got there.

In my opinion, it's dirty, and it reeks of being a poor sport. Apple's ok with "evolving" tech for their own, but refuses to let anyone else do that from their own.

As a geek who's spent most of his entire life playing with computers and technology, I am insulted by apple's business practices, and the claim that they're the king of invention. The fact that they (in not so similar words) actually try and perpetuate amongst the "non geeks" this image pisses me off.
 
The Apple was not the first "personal computer"

There were a few other notable "personal computers" that were out before the Apple. Woz wanted to make one as he was an avid 'geek' and part of "homebrew" clubs.

Most of the hardware that went into the device were purchased from other vendors. The CPU's, chips and technologies. Woz just wanted his "dumb terminal" to be more like a computer, so he built it.

Again, Apple's original idea for a personal computer was neither original, nor were they the first.

What they did again, was make a unique package in an affordable range that seemed to strike a tune with the target market (Computer geeks of the the time).

Surely you can't deny they invented this:

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Again, I'm still not sure it was a good move on Quinn's part to leak the evidence before the Trial was over. Doesn't help Samsung's side of the case in court.

It certainly wasn't a good idea to make the judge angry!

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Oh great. Now I'm stuck with visions of Samsung deliberately trying to make Apple mad and lose control...

Apple designer: You want answers?
Samsung lawyer: I think I'm entitled to them.

Apple designer: You want answers?
Samsung lawyer: I want the truth!

Apple designer: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has patents. And those patents have to be guarded by men with lawbooks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Mr. Quinn? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Samsung and you curse Jonny Ive. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that this lawsuit, while tragic, probably saved some Intellectual Property. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves time designing your own look. You NEED me designing that look!

Samsung lawyer: Did you order the Sony mockup?
Apple designer: I did the job I was sent to do.

Samsung lawyer: Did you order the Sony mockup!?
Apple designer: You're goddamn right I did!!

... or vice versa.
 
It certainly wasn't a good idea to make the judge angry!

--

Oh great. Now I'm stuck with visions of Samsung deliberately trying to make Apple mad and lose control...

Apple designer: You want answers?
Samsung lawyer: I think I'm entitled to them.

Apple designer: You want answers?
Samsung lawyer: I want the truth!

Apple designer: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has patents. And those patents have to be guarded by men with lawbooks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Mr. Quinn? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Samsung and you curse Jonny Ive. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that this lawsuit, while tragic, probably saved some Intellectual Property. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves time designing your own look. You NEED me designing that look!

Samsung lawyer: Did you order the Sony mockup?
Apple designer: I did the job I was sent to do.

Samsung lawyer: Did you order the Sony mockup!?
Apple designer: You're goddamn right I did!!

... or vice versa.

Code Red!!!
 
I love my iPhone Hot Plate. I can make waffles, samiches and calls all at the same time. I just wish this bastard didn't seize my new one at customs!:(

I love mine too - but I keep burning my ear when I make calls. I emailed Tim Cook and he said I was holding it wrong.

And as for you KDarling - you just won the internetz

It certainly wasn't a good idea to make the judge angry!

--

Oh great. Now I'm stuck with visions of Samsung deliberately trying to make Apple mad and lose control...

Apple designer: You want answers?
Samsung lawyer: I think I'm entitled to them.

Apple designer: You want answers?
Samsung lawyer: I want the truth!

Apple designer: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has patents. And those patents have to be guarded by men with lawbooks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Mr. Quinn? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Samsung and you curse Jonny Ive. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that this lawsuit, while tragic, probably saved some Intellectual Property. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves time designing your own look. You NEED me designing that look!

Samsung lawyer: Did you order the Sony mockup?
Apple designer: I did the job I was sent to do.

Samsung lawyer: Did you order the Sony mockup!?
Apple designer: You're goddamn right I did!!

... or vice versa.
 
software is completely irrelevant in this particular lawsuit.

Apple is sueing Samsung on the concept that they are copying the look of the devices.

Basically apple is saying "nobody else can make a phone that features a prominent touch screen with glass surface, one button and rounded corners"

thats all this sums up to.

iOS and android is completely irrelevant in this particular case. Apple is arguing that Samsung changed their entire design strategy post iPhone to rip off the iphone and steal sales

knock offs happen all the time. Wonder why Apple wait so long to sue?
 
Apple designer: You want answers?
Samsung lawyer: I think I'm entitled to them.

Apple designer: You want answers?
Samsung lawyer: I want the truth!

Apple designer: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has patents. And those patents have to be guarded by men with lawbooks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Mr. Quinn? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Samsung and you curse Jonny Ive. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that this lawsuit, while tragic, probably saved some Intellectual Property. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves time designing your own look. You NEED me designing that look!

Samsung lawyer: Did you order the Sony mockup?
Apple designer: I did the job I was sent to do.

Samsung lawyer: Did you order the Sony mockup!?
Apple designer: You're goddamn right I did!!

... or vice versa.

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Just the facts? I don't think so, if it was so clear that countless manufacturers have copied Apple and if it were and obvious ripp off we didn't need such complicated trials.

And, please, don't say that you need to see all the evidence when you clerarly have decided who is guilty when the trial has only started and we haven't seen any evidence


Like the other guy, you seem to know something that us mere mortals do not. Enlighten us.
 
Like the other guy, you seem to know something that us mere mortals do not. Enlighten us.

No. I think you have that in reverse. Since you stated "If I were a juror in this case, after seeing that before and after slide for 3 seconds, I'd instantly rule in Apple's favor and be done with the trial in minutes."

Those poor jurors and the judge who have to sit through an entire trial to discover the truth and rule on all the evidence when you have decided guilt and innocence from your very arm chair.

Bravo!
 
I can not imagine how apple will get laughed at in the technological history if apple loses this trial. Apple seems to have its case but you never know what will happen in such a high profile trial.
Remember the Oracle-Google case. Somehow Google came out with no penalty. You never know when God will play a big joke with you, even in the court.
Could not wait to see how this turns out!
 
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No one cares.

I asked a simple thing in response to the utterly irrelevant phones you mentioned that have nothing in common with the iPhone.

Before the iPhone who intro'ed and sold a capacitive, multi-touch, minimalist designed, numeric-keypad-less/keyboard-less smart phone?

We know a lot suddenly appeared after the iPhone was a success.

Hahaha I called your bluff and you totally tried to back track out of it hahaha. You don't know anything about smart phones or touch screen phones, as far as you are concerned apple invented the touch screen smart phone and you won't let anyone tell you different right?
Shame because it makes all your arguments invalid in every respect... Lay off the koolaide mate. Because if you think apple came out with the first ever keyboard less smart phone then you are utterly deluded and everyone is wasting their time talking to you, and you don't come across as very knowledgeable at all.
 
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Hahaha I called your bluff and you totally tried to back track out of it hahaha. You don't know anything about smart phones or touch screen phones, as far as you are concerned apple invented the touch screen smart phone and you won't let anyone tell you different right?
Shame because it makes all your arguments invalid in every respect... Lay off the koolaide mate. Because if you think apple came out with the first ever keyboard less smart phone then are utterly deluded and everyone is wasting their time talking to you, and you don't come across as very knowledgeable at all.

And yet you are still incapable of naming a capacitive, multi-touch, minimalist designed, numeric-keypad-less/keyboard-less smart phone that was released before the iPhone.
 
knock offs happen all the time. Wonder why Apple wait so long to sue?

Because they are losing money to Samsung. They could have gone after a number of companies who have an rectangular touch phones. Samsung wasn't a threat until galaxy s2 was released and galaxy tab 7
 
No. I think you have that in reverse. Since you stated "If I were a juror in this case, after seeing that before and after slide for 3 seconds, I'd instantly rule in Apple's favor and be done with the trial in minutes."

Those poor jurors and the judge who have to sit through an entire trial to discover the truth and rule on all the evidence when you have decided guilt and innocence from your very arm chair.

Bravo!


No need to go through the dog and pony show when some things are obvious. Bravo!
 
Apple designer: You want answers?
Samsung lawyer: I think I'm entitled to them.

Apple designer: You want answers?
Samsung lawyer: I want the truth!

Apple designer: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has patents. And those patents have to be guarded by men with lawbooks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Mr. Quinn? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Samsung and you curse Jonny Ive. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that this lawsuit, while tragic, probably saved some Intellectual Property. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves time designing your own look. You NEED me designing that look!

Samsung lawyer: Did you order the Sony mockup?
Apple designer: I did the job I was sent to do.

Samsung lawyer: Did you order the Sony mockup!?
Apple designer: You're goddamn right I did!!

... or vice versa.

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Because they are losing money to Samsung. They could have gone after a number of companies who have an rectangular touch phones. Samsung wasn't a threat until galaxy s2 was released and galaxy tab 7

You mean like the One X being banned until changes were made to make it compliant.
 
Samsung did copy the iPhone... They looked nothing like the iPhone until after the iPhone. CASE DONE. I have seen tons and tons of handsets... Samsung makes nice phones (NOW) but didn't always... Even if they still feel like the cheap imitations that they are. They had to find the right idea to DIRECTLY COPY.
 
Samsung did copy the iPhone... They looked nothing like the iPhone until after the iPhone. CASE DONE. I have seen tons and tons of handsets... Samsung makes nice phones (NOW) but didn't always... Even if they still feel like the cheap imitations that they are. They had to find the right idea to DIRECTLY COPY.

False.
 
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