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Surely you can't deny they invented this:

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I'm sorry butttttt your incorrect. REGARDLESS... Samsung makes cheap plastic knockoffs. But hey! The more they continue to copy Apple the nicer the products will be!

No need to be sorry. (btw it's you're not your).

Samsung already had products in their pipeline that were solely touchscreen based. So to say they looked nothing like the iPhone before the iPhone is flat out wrong.

But we'll just agree to disagree - that way we don't have to rehash something that has already been discussed in detail throughout this thread.
 
Honestly I don't think many of us can say conclusively that Apple copied or Samsung copied.. I doubt we know the exact history of every single Samsung and Apple product made.. I'm sure there have been many prototypes that consumers have not had a chance to look at...
 
Haha, buddy... Yea I saw that right after I posted and edited it. I figured you'd have a go at the mobile posting skills. Working as a sales manager enabled me to demo pretty much every phone we carried. It was apparent that Samsung realized they were not able to compete unless they ripped off Apple's idea. The phones are copies and that is FACT. However, it's not a problem for me, I agree to disagree :) Good luck out there :)


No need to be sorry. (btw it's you're not your).

Samsung already had products in their pipeline that were solely touchscreen based. So to say they looked nothing like the iPhone before the iPhone is flat out wrong.

But we'll just agree to disagree - that way we don't have to rehash something that has already been discussed in detail throughout this thread.
 
Haha, buddy... Yea I saw that right after I posted and edited it. I figured you'd have a go at the mobile posting skills. Working as a sales manager enabled me to demo pretty much every phone we carried. It was apparent that Samsung realized they were not able to compete unless they ripped off Apple's idea. The phones are copies and that is FACT. However, it's not a problem for me, I agree to disagree :) Good luck out there :)

Thanks. And I know I said we could agree to disagree - buttttt.....You realize you just said you demo'd every phone you CARRIED. Therein lies the problem doesn't it. Because you're trying to say Samsung changed their phones to match/copy the iPhone. What I'm saying is - they didn't have to change anything given that they already had phones in the pipeline that were monolithic touch screens. And since Apple wasn't the first to market will a full touchscreen phone (I'm not arguing how "awesome" the iPhone is) then you could also argue that Samsung was copying other manufacturers "first" or "only."

This is why this trial is important. And that despite what some people might think is true based on internet gossip, FUD, blog posts, opinion pieces can't just come to the decision that Samsung is guilty and Apple is right.

And this is why it's very "exciting" to see the testimony and evidence.
 
It certainly wasn't a good idea to make the judge angry!

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Oh great. Now I'm stuck with visions of Samsung deliberately trying to make Apple mad and lose control...

Apple designer: You want answers?
Samsung lawyer: I think I'm entitled to them.

Apple designer: You want answers?
Samsung lawyer: I want the truth!

Apple designer: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has patents. And those patents have to be guarded by men with lawbooks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Mr. Quinn? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Samsung and you curse Jonny Ive. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that this lawsuit, while tragic, probably saved some Intellectual Property. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves time designing your own look. You NEED me designing that look!

Samsung lawyer: Did you order the Sony mockup?
Apple designer: I did the job I was sent to do.

Samsung lawyer: Did you order the Sony mockup!?
Apple designer: You're goddamn right I did!!

... or vice versa.

Very awesome. I could actually picture that scene in my head. :D
 
Whatever man, it's cool. Relax... judging by the amount of posts regarding this topic you must be pretty worked up about this. We will just have to see what comes from the case... You have your opinion and I have mine. *agree to disagree*


Thanks. And I know I said we could agree to disagree - buttttt.....You realize you just said you demo'd every phone you CARRIED. Therein lies the problem doesn't it. Because you're trying to say Samsung changed their phones to match/copy the iPhone. What I'm saying is - they didn't have to change anything given that they already had phones in the pipeline that were monolithic touch screens. And since Apple wasn't the first to market will a full touchscreen phone (I'm not arguing how "awesome" the iPhone is) then you could also argue that Samsung was copying other manufacturers "first" or "only."

This is why this trial is important. And that despite what some people might think is true based on internet gossip, FUD, blog posts, opinion pieces can't just come to the decision that Samsung is guilty and Apple is right.

And this is why it's very "exciting" to see the testimony and evidence.
 
I'm sorry butttttt your incorrect. REGARDLESS... Samsung makes cheap plastic knockoffs. But hey! The more they continue to copy Apple the nicer the products will be!

If you compare flagship to flagship, you'll find that the galaxy s3 rapes the 4s, and jellybean is a step above iOS for sure.

Plastic isn't always a bad material. Try making a rugged laptop with a glass screen, tell me how far you get :p
 
this is funny to read. it's exactly the fanboy commentary that those of us who attempt to be unbiased laugh at.

Because that is exactly what apple didnt do.

None of the technologies in the iphone were invented by apple. I'm not saying apple is bad, or that what they did to make the phone was bad. It is what it is, and everyone does it.

But to fool yourself ot believe that Apple completely built the technology from the ground up.

Lets look:
The Screen is not apples invention. The Panels themselves are purchased from outside manufacturers... mainly samsung (shock face!).
The glass is made and invented by Corning.
the CPU technology was designed by ARM and implemented by whichever company Apple decided to buy from (I forget which).
Capacitive touch was purchased from other companies, with arguments showing that capacitive touch being in development long before phones.
Touch screens themselves were around long before apple made their first handhelds.
iOS? it's a semi dumbed down modified core akin OSx, which, believe it or not is not an apple invention either. OSx was developed by steve jobs while he was at NextStep, which Apple purchased. So again, the OS itself isn't even purely Apples invention. Neither is the grid based layout which dates back to virtually any GUI, which also, was not apples invention in the computer industry.

See where i'm going with this?

I am agnostic as to manufacturers. I use the products that best serve my needs. I have apple products and love them. I also have something from just about every other segment.

But I won't fool myself to believe that Apple is some grand inventor. What they've always been from day 1. Since the day Apple opened their doors and built the Apple, Is a innovator of design. They are masterful at taking a geeky, non everyday concept, and repackaging it in a sleek, sexy, and ergonomically functional concept. They're far far ahead of the pack on that than I would say anyone else.

But the grand inventors? That's just delusional. Off the top of my head, I can only think of ONE actual invention Apple has had that I think was "innovative". MagSafe. And surprisingly, it's the only invention you haven't seen copied everywhere else because it's Patent WOULD hold up well in court. Everything else seems to be wishy washy. But here's the thing.

I Don't fault Apple for doign this.
Everyone does this. They innovate by taking whats out there and evolving it to meet needs. Apple just hates it when anyone else does this too them.

So who invented the newton?
Who came up with the Mac OS?
Who put all that technology together, got patents for it and sold it to the masses?

Ok forget that part, like all of it. What's a patent for? Cause if it's not to protect and invention. Then what's it for?
 
So who invented the newton?
Who came up with the Mac OS?
Who put all that technology together, got patents for it and sold it to the masses?

Ok forget that part, like all of it. What's a patent for? Cause if it's not to protect and invention. Then what's it for?

What does the mac os have to do with anything in this discussion?
 
The Galaxy S3 is newer... If i was going to buy an android that would be the phone. I like the galaxy nexus with it's clean version of Jellybean though too hmm... I'm interested to see what the next "developer phone" will be. I see your point about plastic. It just felt cheap to me. I've gotten used to the iPhone I guess. I really liked my original 2g iPhone. I liked the backplate. I just don't like the feel of plastic phones.


If you compare flagship to flagship, you'll find that the galaxy s3 rapes the 4s, and jellybean is a step above iOS for sure.

Plastic isn't always a bad material. Try making a rugged laptop with a glass screen, tell me how far you get :p
 
That's not a ruggedbook ;) ruggedbooks tend to be made of kevlar,lexan, metal, or polycarbonate. Lol

True. It is not a Panasonic Toughbook. Just pointing out it the option is available since you brought it up. :)

While having glass all over the display, lid, palm rest, and touch pad might seem to invite danger, HP boasts that using Gorilla Glass will make the laptop more scratch-resistant. That may be true, but there's likely some concern about shattering. Then again, if you dropped any laptop on a hard surface, odds are you wouldn't be happy with the outcome.​

I'm holding out out for carbon fiber. :D

Can't wait for tomorrow's testimonies.

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True. It is not a Panasonic Toughbook. Just pointing out it the option is available since you brought it up. :)

While having glass all over the display, lid, palm rest, and touch pad might seem to invite danger, HP boasts that using Gorilla Glass will make the laptop more scratch-resistant. That may be true, but there's likely some concern about shattering. Then again, if you dropped any laptop on a hard surface, odds are you wouldn't be happy with the outcome.​

I'm holding out out for carbon fiber. :D

Can't wait for tomorrow's testimonies.

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Haha yeah.

I'm not a fan of glass screens personally. They shatter way to easily, they look nice. But I'm clumsy, even with a decent case, I'm surprised my work phone, the 4S is in as good shape as it is, I've dropped it 1000 times at least, same with my two samsungs.

I miss the flipphones of the early 00s, I swear you could kill someone with some of those early Windows Mobile phones lol.
 
So who invented the newton?
Who came up with the Mac OS?
Who put all that technology together, got patents for it and sold it to the masses?

Ok forget that part, like all of it. What's a patent for? Cause if it's not to protect and invention. Then what's it for?

Apple made the Apple Newton and Apple did coin the term "PDA" so I guess you could argue that Apple invented PDAs and the Newton was the first PDA. Although the technology and the vision for such devices pre-date the Newton and even Apple itself.

Regarding the Mac OS, do you mean OSX or Mac OS (classic)?
If you mean Mac Os as in pre-OSX then you should read up on some history. Apple "slavishly copied" GUI technology pioneered by Xerox PARC.
And without UNIX OSX would not exist.
 
Those "after" iPhone Samsung phones are exactly like iPhones. Hard to distinguish...

Yeah a picture is worth a thousand words. Samsung didn't even try to innovate they just went from a willing participant in the abortion of a smartphone market before apple to just flat out copying. Anyone claiming they could not have done something different or the design was obvious are either massively ignorant or lying.
 
On the left is Windows Mobile, a stylus & keyboard based OS. On the right is Android, a touch-based OS. Hmm, wonder why they would look so different?

Because apple invented the iPhone and iOS and google and Samsung copied it.
 
Regarding the Mac OS, do you mean OSX or Mac OS (classic)?
If you mean Mac Os as in pre-OSX then you should read up on some history. Apple "slavishly copied" GUI technology pioneered by Xerox PARC.

If memory serves me well, Apple strait up "Purchased," not copied, all rights to the Operating System and the First Mouse ever, because Xerox didn't understand the potential or future of what their dev team had created. Apple then built on what Xerox created and formed it into their own OS. Someone did "slavishly copy" the GUI technology that Apple Legally Purchased from Xerox, while supposedly working with Apple on a joint project and they are known as, wait for it, MICROSOFT!!!
 
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