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Apple's Past Sideloading Plans, Ecosystem Lock-in Strategy, and More Revealed in Internal Documents
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High end gaming has always been a failure because Apple has never produced a mainstream computer that gives GPU flexibility and upgradeability, not to mention the restrictions in the OS that made game development harder.
However "data portability" as in music and e-books, things like that are not up to the country in so much as the record companies under the DRM agreement each store has with the the music publisher and copyright holder. As some artists will not allow their music to be sold in the iTunes store, or by any e-sales medium. I remember reading about everything that Apple had to go through to appease the music publishers....including it being DRM locked so that it was only usable on iTunes. The artists, through their labels work out individual deals with each e-store....from everything I remember reading. Just like, you can't purchase Kindle books on an I device.....at least not in the Kindle app, you would need to go to a browser and go to the website, or purchase it on a Kindle hardware reader. I think that these EU groups are going to have a hard road if they think that are going to round up the entire tech world.
So locked in people are forced to spend money? It's true Apple gets the money, but it's their platform and the can of worms that goes along with it like the pending legislation.
But then you should not even bother with Apple products because you are throwing away the whole ecosystem, the beautiful inter device functioning. Somebody texts me, I can see it and reply on any Apple device...phone, watch, iPad, laptop, desktop, etc. I take a picture on an I device and I can see it on all devices. there is so much that you lose otherwise.
Edit: I can see the app thing, to a point, but services and hardware that makes buying Apple hardware a waste of money.
I am not too sure because I am not a gamer but, if that is the case and it is a known fact why are those people even buying an Apple computer? I know that you can build crazy "gaming" computers noticeably cheaper, so that being the case, why are this people even here on a Mac computer because I know that there are better less expensive options. A freelance video editor friend stopped using Avid Media Composer on his personal computer and switched to DaVinci Resolve and then built crazy desktop PC because it was much less money and Resolve and Adobe Premiere Pro don't have the strict hardware/software requirements that Avid does.
Where did I say locked-in people are forced to spend money? What I said was that being locked-in potentially makes it difficult and expensive to "just buy an Android" and that Apple knows this and went as far as to intentionally design things this way. This difficulty and expense are why Apple knows they can get away with forcing the CSAM stuff on their customers.
What you said was this:
And my point is the $53B are spend by consumers who WANT to buy something from Apple...not forced to buy something. By using the phrase "lock-in" imo, you make it seem nefarious. When in reality every business wants their customers to spend more money on goods and services and figures out how to make that happen.
As far as CSAM, Apple is again late to the party with functionality.
That's why I said mainstream, which is affordable. The only Macs with upgradeable GPU's post PPC era were the Mac Pro's, and even then the GPU upgradeability was always hindered by Apple not upgrading drivers, and neither ATI/AMD or nVidia were not able to release drivers on a timely basis like they did for PC platforms.
If it’s seems nefarious, maybe that’s because of Eddie Cue’s own words.
“Who's going to buy a Samsung phone if they have apps, movies, etc already purchased? They now need to spend hundreds more to get to where they are today.”
You’re arguing that something doesn’t exist that not only did Apple design to be, but that they themselves admit to existing. Just because someone willingly purchased stuff from Apple doesn’t mean they wanted to be locked-in, particularly when circumstances evolve over time. If someone doesn’t like the CSAM feature, moving to Android to get away from it can potentially cost someone loads of money.
“Schiller said that in terms of "threat level," the Amazon Appstore posed a "very high" threat to Apple, and in the second quarter of 2016, the App Store grew to be worth more than the Mac and iPad to the company.”
Since the App Store generates more revenue than the mac and the iPad, it’s pretty obvious to me that there’s a strong financial incentive for Apple to disallow alternative app stores, and disallow developers to opt out of using Apple’s in-app purchase system for their own. Apple stands to lose a ton of money if there’s competition in the App Store operator and in-app purchase administration markets.
it’s time to open up and allow competition.
Since the App Store generates more revenue than the mac and the iPad, it’s pretty obvious to me that there’s a strong financial incentive for Apple to disallow alternative app stores, and disallow developers to opt out of using Apple’s in-app purchase system for their own. Apple stands to lose a ton of money if there’s competition in the App Store operator and in-app purchase administration markets.
it’s time to open up and allow competition.
Well google does have guidelines and reviews ads that appear in its ad platform. You’d be surprised to know not everyone can advertise in google.
On that note, how do you know they aren't happy that the ecosystem is locked down.
Good for Eddie Cue that admitting they want their customers to spend as much money as possible on Apple products and services. So does my car dealer and my grocery store and my home improvement store and the restaurant I frequent.
Okay I'll play this whataboutism. This type of churn works both ways. If one is invested in Samsung gear and wants to move to apple, it will cost loads of money. This has nothing to with "lock-in" it has to do with purchase of consumer electronic devices and sales of consumer electronic devices. If I buy a Honda Accord and I don't like the car and want to move to Toyota. Chances are it will cost me thousands. (that's my whataboutism)
Google photos, take a photo and it’s available on any device. Use signal for messaging, available anywhere. YouTube music is now really good. Available anywhere and which ever phone, computer you decide to buy and use in the future, makes no difference to the services you use as google services work fine anywhere.
You don't want lock-in for users which are happy to remain, you want lock-in to make it harder for users which are not so happy and considering to switch to a competing offer to carry out. Apple clearly felt necessary to devise strategies to lock-in users and they clearly made that under the premise that enough users might have found competing offers compelling enough to switch to them without those additional lock-in strategies in place.
The reason this is significant from the legal point of view is that Epic's narrative tries to paint Apple's strategies as anti-competitive and anti-consumer, whereas Apple's narrative defends these strategies as primarily meant for consumer safety. If Epic can show that vendor lock-in was a significant driving factor in Apple's decisions, it supports their narrative and contradicts Apple's.
The whole world gets to see Apple without makeup.
Imo, there is no such thing as lock-in. Apple is right to produce products that interact with one another … as is Samsung.
Good luck with epic proving “lock-in.”
All systems are locked down to a certain extent. But that’s different from “lock-in” as you are describing in which apple uses a carrot, not a bodyguard to get one to remain within the ecosystem.
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Not surprised. Not happy.
Apple does plenty shady crap and a lot of their policies are two-faced. Their environmental policies, for instance, will dump tons of money on robots for recycling but make it hard to repair devices which is really the first step in keeping them out of landfills.
I think people want to feel like the companies they do business with are “better” but greed’s the name of the game. Anything that appears to be virtuous or idealistic generally has underlying profit motivations.
I like Phil Schiller less all the time. (Never liked Cue.)
Apple does plenty shady crap and a lot of their policies are two-faced. Their environmental policies, for instance, will dump tons of money on robots for recycling but make it hard to repair devices which is really the first step in keeping them out of landfills.
I think people want to feel like the companies they do business with are “better” but greed’s the name of the game. Anything that appears to be virtuous or idealistic generally has underlying profit motivations.
I like Phil Schiller less all the time. (Never liked Cue.)
I think the forum member was trying to coyly say that Tim isn't squirming because billionaires don't get hemorrhoids.
On MR, the line between reality and fantasy is often blurred. That is why I refuse to use the his / hers public MR restrooms.
Why are people acting like they have been living in the matrix all this time and have only just woken up?
related, buying the same music on LP, then cassette, then CD, then digital. Or buying the same movie on VHS or Beta, DVD, LaserDisc (oops), Bluray, digital. Hardware lock in happens all the time when one changes technology. Our family still has a 720p TV strictly because we invested so much $$ in DVDs.
"Who's going to buy a Samsung phone if they have apps, movies, etc already purchased? They now need to spend hundreds more to get to where they are today." - Eddy Cue
Unfortunately that's the main thing holding me back from making the switch to Android right now. Don't get me wrong, I love my Apple devices. But almost 13 years of having to keep up with jailbreaks and such just to do what I want with my devices has really started to get old. It's been a constant cat and mouse game with Apple since the iPhone 3G came out and it's getting tiring. Now with over 13 years of app, music, tv and movie purchases (Not a fan of streaming services), Apple's ecosystem has become a virtual prison I can't escape from.
Unfortunately that's the main thing holding me back from making the switch to Android right now. Don't get me wrong, I love my Apple devices. But almost 13 years of having to keep up with jailbreaks and such just to do what I want with my devices has really started to get old. It's been a constant cat and mouse game with Apple since the iPhone 3G came out and it's getting tiring. Now with over 13 years of app, music, tv and movie purchases (Not a fan of streaming services), Apple's ecosystem has become a virtual prison I can't escape from.