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The fact there are $1 or free apps in the app store in areas that don't compete with Apple doesn't prove that Apple hasn't hurt the market in areas where apps do compete with Apple. The prime example is in Apple Music - competitors have to pay a 30% revenue fee that Apple doesn't.
There are too many examples of this in the retail space. Take the grocery-store brands of most canned goods. Does the grocery store have to pay for shelf space? And the grocery-store is nearly always cheaper than the name-brand. Is this illegal or just business?
 
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"tie all of our products together, so we further lock customers into our ecosystem."

"Who's going to buy a Samsung phone if they have apps, movies, etc already purchased? They now need to spend hundreds more to get to where they are today."

And there it is straight from the horses mouth. Everyone of these threads involves a chorus of, "just buy an Android if you don't like the way Apple does X." Apple has intentionally made it hard and expensive to do so and that is exactly why regulators should be looking at them.
 
The fact there are $1 or free apps in the app store in areas that don't compete with Apple doesn't prove that Apple hasn't hurt the market in areas where apps do compete with Apple. The prime example is in Apple Music - competitors have to pay a 30% revenue fee that Apple doesn't.
That only applies if the consumers signs up to the subscription within the app itself. There is no requirement for the 30% outside of the App Store.
 
The only way this holds water is to completely change the legal definition of a monopoly.The market is cell phones and smart phones. The software on that device is cannot be a monopoly because there are other devices. Apple does not hold a monopoly in this or any other market. And customer like me pay for the very protections politicians are trying to take away to force Android’s failures on us.

Having competitors doesn't disprove the existence of a monopoly. A monopoly doesn't even require > 50% market share. To wit:

Market Power​

Courts do not require a literal monopoly before applying rules for single firm conduct; that term is used as shorthand for a firm with significant and durable market power — that is, the long term ability to raise price or exclude competitors. That is how that term is used here: a "monopolist" is a firm with significant and durable market power. Courts look at the firm's market share, but typically do not find monopoly power if the firm (or a group of firms acting in concert) has less than 50 percent of the sales of a particular product or service within a certain geographic area. Some courts have required much higher percentages. In addition, that leading position must be sustainable over time: if competitive forces or the entry of new firms could discipline the conduct of the leading firm, courts are unlikely to find that the firm has lasting market power."

Source: FTC: Monopolization Defined

Here is a graph of Apple's market share in the USA:
Manufacturers' market share of smartphone sales in the United States from 1st quarter 2016 to 1st quarter 2021
 
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The harm done to consumers by any monopoly doesn't have to be monetary.
What insanely great mobile OS and phones have not come to market due to Apple and Google's duopoly on mobile OS:es? We probably will never know.
There were others, but they were so crappy that they failed. Microsoft windows mobile on a Dell X5 pocket device, Blackberry, but was aimed at business, not consumers. You can't simply just make an OS. You need to build an ecosystem behind it as it's not the 80's anymore and that is why Apple and to a point Google are where they are. I can take a picture on my iPhone and it will be available on all of the rest of my Apple world, I can pair and put in a pair of earbuds and they now work with all of my Apple devices automatically, etc.
 
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"tie all of our products together, so we further lock customers into our ecosystem."

"Who's going to buy a Samsung phone if they have apps, movies, etc already purchased? They now need to spend hundreds more to get to where they are today."

And there it is straight from the horses mouth. Everyone of these threads involves a chorus of, "just buy an Android if you don't like the way Apple does X." Apple has intentionally made it hard and expensive to do so and that is exactly why regulators should be looking at them.
Kinda like when you buy a kindle book it’s harder to switch to something like Apple’s books. You can’t take the licensed digital stuff with you. It may be difficult or very very difficult even with Android apps for the average person. Not saying it’s right or wrong but ecosystem tie in has existed for a long time. Heck, think about tools where the accessories only work with their brand or cameras where the lenses only work with the one brand. You build a system and people buy in. It’s hard and expensive to switch. Story as old as modern commerce.
 
You are claiming that the opinion of a Congressional subcommittee holds the same legal weight as the comment section on MacRumors? Which of the two do you believe is most likely to result in Federal antitrust action?
Yes, I am. Neither will result in federal antitrust action. This is the reason why new bills are being intruduced because they know this nonsense will never stand up in court. The SCOTUS decision in Ohio v. American Express pretty much leaves Apple untouchable under the current framework of Antitrust laws.
 
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Apple's monopoly is in their iPhone app store. They're attempting to leverage that monopoly into the music subscription market. They don't have to succeed in that endeavor for their behavior to be deemed illegal. It's the act of trying to unfairly leverage a monopoly that's de facto illegal.
Dude, you are sounding like an armchair lawyer already
 
There are too many examples of this in the retail space. Take the grocery-store brands of most canned goods. Does the grocery store have to pay for shelf space? And the grocery-store is nearly always cheaper than the name-brand. Is this illegal or just business?
Is there a grocery store chain in the USA with 50%+ market share?
 
Kinda like when you buy a kindle book it’s harder to switch to something like Apple’s books. You can’t take the licensed digital stuff with you. It may be difficult or very very difficult even with Android apps for the average person. Not saying it’s right or wrong but ecosystem tie in has existed for a long time. Heck, think about tools where the accessories only work with their brand or cameras where the lenses only work with the one brand. You build a system and people buy in. It’s hard and expensive to switch. Story as old as modern commerce.
And the books/music thing will roll into the DRM arena. the specific music of digital book might only licensed to one or the other and even licensed to more than one but at different rates and user agreements. That will get even more complicated. all of this os opening a giant can of worms.
 
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Is there a grocery store chain in the USA with 50%+ market share?
Marketshare of what? Ways to listen to music? Or is this one of those narrowly defined marketshare. In many towns, there may only be 1-2 grocery store options with one likely having >50% share.
FWIW, I live in Colorado. Across the entire state, Kroger (King Soopers, City Market) has a nearly 50% marketshare.
 
It is when related to my comment which relates to the content of the revealed information.
And you're suggesting that the anti-trust legislation multiple governments are looking at (often specifically targeting Apple's app store and payment system policies) and the Epic lawsuit specific to this article, are unrelated? Sorry, not buying that line for a second lol.
 
The difference is one has the power to impose billion euro fines and corrective behavior, while the other has the power to post memes 🤪
Fortunately, the European courts are relatively even-keeled and tamp down on many of the worst impulses of the various regulatory commissions. Not saying that some nonsense doesn’t make it through, but much of their high-stakes drama remains in the realm of political theater and out of law.
 
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