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Good lord people will look for any excuse to whine about nothing. This seems like such vapid criticism.

Not at all.

When Steve came back, I think one of the smartest early decisions he made was to radically simplify the Mac line-up. Sure, there were other factors at the time, like Apple not having the money for such a broad line-up. But part of it was also to avoid the paralysis of choice. A 2x2 grid. You want a desktop or a laptop? You're a pro, or a consumer? Done.

Nowadays, Apple has many more products, but some aren't necessary. The 13-inch MacBook Pro with 2 ports probably shouldn't exist. It's an alibi product to say, "hey, the Pro starts at $1299", but really, the Air configured to the same price point is a better product for most people, and the $1799 is the "real" Pro. Almost nobody should get the two-porter.

But it was way worse than that three years ago. Do you get the Air? Oh, but it has no Retina Display. Or the MacBook, that's kind of like an Air? Oh, but it's much more expensive, yet slower. Or the two-port Pro, which was introduced by Phil as Air-esque? Well, that one's even more expensive. And despite being Pro, it lacked many of the things of the other Pros, such as Touch ID.

I was happy that they simplified and consolidated the line-up in 2018 and 2019, and I hope they're not going to step back from that.

Something that just keeps getting repeated, like a meem, with no real thought behind it. Just something snarky to say.

I've actually written a ton about this subject.

Buy a Mac, use it, move on with your life. Who cares what other Macs Apple offers?

I do! Because it matters that I can tell someone who wants a Mac "oh, what are your requirements? Alright: this is the one you should get". Right now, I can do that. For almost half a decade, it was hard, in part because of the above, and in part because of keyboard reliability issues. "Oh, I guess just get the old Air; at least it has a good keyboard."

What does it matter to any of you how Apple’s marketing and product teams decide to segment their product lineup? They will still keep offering the MacBook Pro and MacBook Air, iMac, iMac Pro and Mac Pro,

Those don't overlap much, so I fail to see your point.

so what skin it it off if anyone’s back if they re-introduce a tiny, light use MacBook with ARM in order to field test the new architecture without disrupting the current lineup and users who depend on those machines?

Or would you rather have them try out a brand new chip and software rollout on a MacBook Air or Pro, upending the workflow of millions of users and likely inciting a cacophony of complaints and whining that this should have been rolled out more slowly, and on less critical machines?

That is exactly what they did both with the 68k to PowerPC and PowerPC to Intel migrations, and it wasn't a big issue, so yes, I think they should replace products rather than add to them. But that's also way besides my point.
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8 GB is plenty for testing Mac App Store apps (if you want your apps to run for typical customers). Run the Xcode builds and other junk on your "real" Mac.

Maybe, but I don't think "we have a great transition plan for developers: buy two Macs!" is going to be a popular message.
 
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Other than the ****** keyboard.

I just lucked out - literally two weeks ago, a week before apple care expired, we brought in our 12” to get the keyboard fixed (space bar completely stopped working, and several other keys intermittently double-press or miss strokes. Already replaced keyboard once a year ago). The lucky part was the Battery also failed their testing, so i got a whole new top case/keyboard and a new battery all for free.

Sadly, while that would mean many more years of use for any of apple’s scissor-keyboard designs, I’m sure that the 12” keyboard will fail again within the next year or so.
Its very unfortunate that they continued to use the butterfly design. However, of all the peoplewho I know who bought Butterfly KB macs (~10 or so), none of them have had a problem, including several owners of the 1st gen 2016 MBP. But regardless, its also more expensive to manufacture the butterfly (specialty mfgrs) so it makes sense all around for Apple to use the conventional design. I guess they got lucky. I still hate the way it feels, though. I think if they used the Magic Keyboard, though, it would come too close to the MBA, and at that point Apple may not have an excuse for having only one port, even if they do choose to use Thunderbolt, which I would think would be possible since it uses a discrete controller.
 
Its very unfortunate that they continued to use the butterfly design. However, of all the peoplewho I know who bought Butterfly KB macs (~10 or so), none of them have had a problem, including several owners of the 1st gen 2016 MBP. But regardless, its also more expensive to manufacture the butterfly (specialty mfgrs) so it makes sense all around for Apple to use the conventional design. I guess they got lucky. I still hate the way it feels, though. I think if they used the Magic Keyboard, though, it would come too close to the MBA, and at that point Apple may not have an excuse for having only one port, even if they do choose to use Thunderbolt, which I would think would be possible since it uses a discrete controller.

I have two current butterfly machines (2016 MBP and the 12” MB), and had an air with it. All three have had keyboard issues with keys failing. The MBP and the MB have had it happen multiple times.

And typing on them sucks. Not enough key travel. (I like the key stability, but I type 90+ WPM and I need tactile feedback and some shock absorbancy).
 
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Has anyone been able to run benchmarks on the T1 or T2 chips? Wondering how it compares to a full-fat A* chip and what it means for the potential of an Intel processor and a full-fat Apple processor in one machine.

T1 is unclear I'd guess is A5 variant so iPhone 4S performance. T2 is an A8 variant so iPhone 6 performance.

T3 that runs apps could be A12 variant so imagine having an iPad Pro inside your MacBook for catalyst apps on your main screen instead of on the touch bar like they are now.
 
Dear god, no. It was a mistake. It's been fixed. Leave it in the dustbin of electronics history, where it belongs.
If they really fix the concept and wait 2 years maybe. But don’t call it butterfly, and have an upgraded version of whatever computer that is available with their standard keyboard at a higher cost. Some people will buy the cheaper model because is cheaper and if there aren’t any problems most people will eventually accept it. Call it butterfly and every piece of bad press gets rerun and all computer sites will talk about is how stupid Apple was to bring it back even if it is fixed.
 
If they really fix the concept and wait 2 years maybe. But don’t call it butterfly, and have an upgraded version of whatever computer that is available with their standard keyboard at a higher cost. Some people will buy the cheaper model because is cheaper and if there aren’t any problems most people will eventually accept it. Call it butterfly and every piece of bad press gets rerun and all computer sites will talk about is how stupid Apple was to bring it back even if it is fixed.
Call it whatever you want, but as soon as iFixIt takes it apart and sees a butterfly mechanism the ********* starts over again.
 
Maybe, but I don't think "we have a great transition plan for developers: buy two Macs!" is going to be a popular message.

If you are a developer, you already have one or more suitable development Macs. What one might be missing is yet another test device for some hypothetical new brand configuration. Many developers already have a shelf and/or box full of regression test devices (multiple A chips, performance levels, and display sizes, multiple iOS and macOS versions, and etc.). If the cost of one more test device is significant, that developer is probably doing far too little testing.

Buying one more test device may not be popular, but it is a sign of competency.
 
If you are a developer, you already have one or more suitable development Macs.

Sure, if those are current enough.

What one might be missing is yet another test device for some hypothetical new brand configuration. Many developers already have a shelf and/or box full of regression test devices (multiple A chips, performance levels, and display sizes, multiple iOS and macOS versions, and etc.). If the cost of one more test device is significant, that developer is probably doing far too little testing.

For iOS apps? Maybe. (Even then, no, most developers can't afford that.)

For Mac apps? That'd be extremely pricey to keep around, and also not as useful. For iOS, part of the appeal of physical test devices is that you get to test the app with different fixed resolutions, interaction methods (home button vs. notch, e.g.), etc. Doesn't apply as much on a Mac.

Buying one more test device may not be popular, but it is a sign of competency.

Most of the stuff relevant to test on a Mac can be virtualized anyway. Say you want to support Mojave and High Sierra — just add two VMs for that. These days, you don't really need to run those yourself; just rent them at e.g. MS.
 
I'm cautiously optimistic about the ARM transition, but concerned Cook will use this as an opportunity to eliminate whatever ports are left (save for a "Smart Connector") in order to drive iCloud subscription revenue. Hopefully Apple won't pursue this path.
 
the "low end" of the mac line is most likely used by people to surf the web and do other light tasks for which apple already supplies all the apps
These people would probably just be better off with an iPad Pro.
 
I'm cautiously optimistic about the ARM transition, but concerned Cook will use this as an opportunity to eliminate whatever ports are left (save for a "Smart Connector") in order to drive iCloud subscription revenue. Hopefully Apple won't pursue this path.

Pretty sure Tim Cook doesn’t make decisions about ports.
 
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T1 is unclear I'd guess is A5 variant so iPhone 4S performance. T2 is an A8 variant so iPhone 6 performance.

T3 that runs apps could be A12 variant so imagine having an iPad Pro inside your MacBook for catalyst apps on your main screen instead of on the touch bar like they are now.
The T1 is based on a TI microcontroller, while the T2 is an A10 variant, which means most likely a quad-core (2+2) with a modified GPU (Less 3D and more compute) and of course additional security features. I'm not sure if an upgrade to a T3 is necessary yet.

On a side note, does anyone here think its possible that Apple would include an atom-based x86 cpu (Celeron or Pentium Silver) to maintain computability, while also crippling performance, to help with and force the transition?
 
The T1 is based on a TI microcontroller, while the T2 is an A10 variant, which means most likely a quad-core (2+2) with a modified GPU (Less 3D and more compute) and of course additional security features. I'm not sure if an upgrade to a T3 is necessary yet.

On a side note, does anyone here think its possible that Apple would include an atom-based x86 cpu (Celeron or Pentium Silver) to maintain computability, while also crippling performance, to help with and force the transition?
Nope don’t think they even considered that for one minute.
 
On a side note, does anyone here think its possible that Apple would include an atom-based x86 cpu (Celeron or Pentium Silver) to maintain computability, while also crippling performance, to help with and force the transition?

I've seen Intel refuse to sell parts because they don't like the other parts being used in the product. Intel won't help ease the transition pain here.
 
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