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Phil wasn't kidding (I now realize when he debuted the new Mac Pro at WWDC) when he said this is the next generation of Mac Pro for the next 10 years.

None of were suspecting at the time what he was actually referring to was that it wasn't going to get updated...for the next ten years.

This post literally made lol - post of the day right here.

Surprise, surprise.

Tim should involve less in politics and more in his company's products.

I admit, I'm not really liking Tim Cook overall.
 
What's your curriculum going to be like? When I was in uni most CS degrees were C and Java based and development was in Linux/Unix. Best advice I can give is to get a rig that runs Virtual Machines like a champ and learn to love Linux.
A Mac is only worth it if your degree will cover Cocoa development.

Hearing from upperclassmen, the curriculum focuses on Linux, so having that is a must. I just really like how simple it is to partition another OS on a Mac. Also as a current Windows user, I'm pretty fed up with updating drives, too many bugs, etc. Overall, I just like how reliable and stable MacBooks are, but I don't know if it's worth taking my chances with another PC.
 
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My speculation -- I think Apple has put an inordinate amount of resources behind the Apple Watch, which has not yielded a corresponding ROI, and have thus had to make compromises with their R&D efforts on laptops and desktops.

You might be on to something thing here. Apple's pouring more into R&D than they ever have and nothing has really bitten for them since the iPad. The watch and rMB are products that no-one needed or asked for. Sometimes, that gamble has worked well for Apple. With the watch, they entered a market too early with a half-baked product and the the rMacbook they've pushed form too far at the expense of function.
 
If they released a new Mac Pro today or a new iMac with a real graphics card I swear I would buy it right now.

I'm basically just waiting for one if not both of those. Your move Apple.
 
Macs desktop and laptop is taking too long to refresh the "current" gen processor and chip-sets, missing the sales window to say the least, it's already 2nd half of the year.
And that Thunderbolt display, come on......... selling at 4k prices, and 4K/5K is not new anymore.

Yes some loyalists will hold off until the new releases, but for how long?
 
Apple, if you no longer have your heart in producing computers, I would implore you to respect the many of us who have followed for years and license OSX to buyers and other manufacturers who are willing to stay current with the technology.
 
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Hearing from upperclassmen, the curriculum focuses on Linux, so having that is a must. I just really like how simple it is to partition another OS on a Mac. Also as a current Windows user, I'm pretty fed up with updating drives, too many bugs, etc. Overall, I just like how reliable and stable MacBooks are, but I don't know if it's worth taking my chances with another PC.

As someone who's battled with Linux on Mac for 10+ years my advice is this.

If you want to run bare metal, get a Macbook Air. They have better driver support and Linux doesn't do retina screens all that well.

If you want to run Linux in a VM for sustained work and lots of compiling, then the Macbook Pro is a better choice.
 
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Yep, no wonder. Apple hasn't paid much attention to the Mac. Just look at the Buyer's Guide on MR and it's pretty depressing how outdated across the board all Macs are. Pretty embarrassing IMO.

Spot on!

They'd get more traction if they allowed people to upgrade parts, but with soldered ram etc etc, they've boxed themselves in and only decent upgraded kit will sell.
 
As someone who's battled with Linux on Mac for 10+ years my advice is this.

If you want to run bare metal, get a Macbook Air. They have better driver support and Linux doesn't do retina screens all that well.

If you want to run Linux in a VM for sustained work and lots of compiling, then the Macbook Pro is a better choice.

the only question left for me is... is it worth paying a premium when the MBP could get refreshed just into one month of school starting?
 
Apple, if you no longer have your heart in producing computers, I would implore you to respect the many of us who have followed for years and license OSX to buyers and other manufacturers who are willing to stay current with the technology.
Remember the last time Apple did that? It's a disaster.
Volume is one thing, but I bet those PC OEMs are still drooling over Apple's revenue. Asus and the likes are operating with razor thin margins, to the point that they are even screwing Microsoft over in the emerging markets by selling laptops without OS (so contracts and end users will use pirated OS instead), just so they can race to the bottom.
 
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the only question left for me is... is it worth paying a premium when the MBP could get refreshed just into one month of school starting?

If it was me, I'd wait to be honest.

If uni is the same today as it was in my day, you'll spend the first month in orientation, reading, drinking and carousing :)

Start your work on what you have now and make your choice once the line is refreshed. Then you can either by new, or pick up the current gen as a refurb - whatever suits your needs and budget. At worst, all you'll need to do is transfer your development VM.
 
Spot on!

They'd get more traction if they allowed people to upgrade parts, but with soldered ram etc etc, they've boxed themselves in and only decent upgraded kit will sell.

Exactly. One of the things I loved being able to do was to shop the Apple refurb store for Macs on the cheap, and then upgrade them later with SSDs and more RAM. It gave me more peace of mind and made shopping for a Mac much easier, because 1) I didn't have to plunk down as much money up front, and 2) I knew that whatever I bought would grow along with my needs (I should mention that I am a graphic designer, and Adobe updates always will require more RAM, among other things).

Now? Just like everything else Apple does, you're pretty much stuck with what they give you. I recently traded in my refurb 2012 MBP for a Windows 10 tower I got off the Dell Outlet store. Added an NVIDIA graphics card and an SSD, and it runs flawlessly. And I was able to get OSX running inside a virtual machine, so should I need a Mac for anything, it's still right there.

Your loss, Apple.
 
Considering Apple is probably close to forcing every owner to own a laptop with only one crappy output, I'm surprised that anyone would wait. Now is the time to get a Macbook Pro before it's too late.
 
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We were having the discussion about MacBooks Pros and ports just this morning at work - hours before this post.

I'm at my second job in a row where nearly everyone has a 15" MacBook Pro because it makes the best multiple-platform developer machine (PC, MAC, iOS, Android, Linux - can do it all). Everyone was unanimous and even passionate that going with just a USB-C port or two would be a disaster. Fine if you add one, but leave all the existing ports (except possibly the SDXC card slot) there as well - People use both USB ports ALL the time. Wireless mice and USB drives all the time. External Monitor and Ethernet? Happens all the time. All those at once? yup. remove those and the dongle situation will be ugly.

Instead I would hope to see the following:

  • 32GB as top BTO memory option, now that they can use DDR4
  • Iris 550 Graphics on the 13" / Dual Core CPUs.
  • USB 3.1 in the Type-A ports
  • Keep the 16:10 Displays! Don't go 16:9
  • Don't try to make it too much thinner. Do not use the shallow MacBook keyboard!
  • Support for HDMI 2.0 & DP 1.4 i.e. 4K @60hz support for anything you can hook up.
[doublepost=1468298800][/doublepost]Also, I've been using a 2012 13" rMBP for personal and side projects. I've got a new project but I really need 16GB. I've been holding out for now, but if more signs crop up that indicate things are going the wrong way (i.e. macbook), I'm going to get a 2015 refurb.
 
Tim and Jony should learn and copy Intel. The Skull Canyon, an amazing super fast tiny cool machine that runs circles around the Mac mini since these two doofuses are not able to manage Apple without Steve
 
Why would anyone be happy with a Skylake MBP when it will be a year-old CPU and Kaby Lake would already be hitting the market?

Honestly, if Kaby Lake doesn't make it onto the next rMBP, I may go for a Surface.
 
Tim and Jony should learn and copy Intel. The Skull Canyon, an amazing super fast tiny cool machine that runs circles around the Mac mini since these two doofuses are not able to manage Apple without Steve


Yeah the top-end Skull Canyon Nuc looks like a great contender to the Mac mini, if you don't mind the external power brick.
 
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